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Christians ‘more militant’ and homophobic than Muslims: UK Equalities Chief (barf alert)
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Posted on 06/21/2011 7:14:31 AM PDT by fabrizio

LONDON, June 20, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Despite Britain being an officially Christian country with a majority Christian population and a Christian heritage reaching back to the 7th century AD, the UK’s equalities chief has said that Christians need to “integrate” better into Britain’s “modern liberal democracy.” Compared to Muslims, he said, Christians are “more militant” and have a harder time blending in.

“There are a lot of Christian activist voices who appear bent on stressing the kind of persecution that I don’t think really exists in this country,” said Trevor Phillips, chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC).

The current movement towards doctrinal and moral orthodoxy in the Anglican and Catholic churches is a revival of “an old time religion incompatible with modern society” that is clashing with “mainstream” views, especially on homosexuality, he continued.

Phillips told the Sunday Telegraph in an interview this weekend that while most actual cases of religious discrimination are against Muslims, Christians often complain of discrimination for cynical political reasons. The interview comes as the Equalities Commission is expected to issue a report on religious discrimination.

“The most likely victim of actual religious discrimination in British society is a Muslim but the person who is most likely to feel slighted because of their religion is an evangelical Christian.

“I think for a lot of Christian activists, they want to have a fight and they choose sexual orientation as the ground to fight it on. I think the argument isn’t about the rights of Christians. It’s about politics.”

At the same time, Phillips said that “people of faith” are “a bit under siege” from atheists whom he accused of attempting to “drive religion underground” and conceded that there is “more anti-religion noise” in Britain recently.

He admitted that the EHRC had not stood up in the past for people complaining of religious discrimination, and said that “faith groups” should be free from government interference in their own affairs.

Churches, he said, should be allowed to block women and homosexuals from being priests and bishops. In the same interview, however, he said churches and religious institutions had to comply with equality legislation when they delivered services to the public as a whole.

He blamed the Christian churches that adhere to traditional moral laws for influencing recent African and Caribbean immigrants to be more “intolerant” of homosexuality.

Unlike intolerant evangelical Christians, Britain’s Muslims, he said, are “doing their damnedest to come to terms with their neighbours to try to integrate and they’re doing their best to try to develop an idea of Islam that is compatible with living in a modern liberal democracy.”


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: formerlygreatbritain; freedomofreligion; homosexualagenda; homotyranny; islam; moralabsolutes; oncegreatbritain; pconsteroids; trevorphillips

1 posted on 06/21/2011 7:14:37 AM PDT by fabrizio
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To: fabrizio

yes yes, the many christian dictators around the world are proof that they are militant. /sarc

stupid premise. down is up now.


2 posted on 06/21/2011 7:16:00 AM PDT by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah
ping.

The original Telegraph interview is here.

3 posted on 06/21/2011 7:19:38 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: fabrizio

Thanks Trevor for sizing me up! I feel terrible and will work on it! I’ll start by changing my name to Ben Dover.~sarc


4 posted on 06/21/2011 7:20:11 AM PDT by albie
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To: fabrizio

Risible.

A self parody.

But only to those whose logical acuity and rational thought have not been rotted to the core by the newthink and newspeak of Political Correctness.


5 posted on 06/21/2011 7:28:16 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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6 posted on 06/21/2011 7:29:05 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: fabrizio



"The current movement towards doctrinal and moral orthodoxy in the Anglican and Catholic churches is a revival of “an old time religion incompatible with modern society” that is clashing with “mainstream” views, especially on homosexuality, he continued."


Sorry, bub, the popularity of sin makes it no less of a sin. God is certainly visionary enough to know all of time...old and modern, you're simply a lackey.



7 posted on 06/21/2011 7:30:56 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: fabrizio
Trevor Phillips: ” Compared to Muslims, he said, Christians are “more militant” and have a harder time blending in"

Black is a vaccuum. 3 is a color. Songs fix cars. Hurry up it's Halloween! Nice was love bust. Waterfalls are baby.

Hey, if Trevor Phillips is going to spout completely unintelligable nonsense, so am I.

Trevor Phillips: The current movement towards doctrinal and moral orthodoxy in the Anglican and Catholic churches is a revival of “an old time religion incompatible with modern society” that is clashing with “mainstream” views, especially on homosexuality...... ......At the same time, Phillips said that “people of faith” are “a bit under siege” from atheists whom he accused of attempting to “drive religion underground” and conceded that there is “more anti-religion noise” in Britain recently.

Cognitive dissonance, anyone?

Unlike intolerant evangelical Christians, Britain’s Muslims, he said, are “doing their damnedest to come to terms with their neighbours to try to integrate and they’re doing their best to try to develop an idea of Islam that is compatible with living in a modern liberal democracy.”

Hey, look at the Muslims integrating and trying to be compatible with living in a modern democracy!

On the other hand, those VILE INTOLERANT EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS.....

Trevor Phillips, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

8 posted on 06/21/2011 7:33:03 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: fabrizio

How long before England is predominantly muslim? These people are fools.


9 posted on 06/21/2011 7:38:27 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: fabrizio

Delusional, evil and/or pathological liar, probably a combination of the three. Anyone who believes this would also believe hitlers propaganda.


10 posted on 06/21/2011 7:40:18 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: fabrizio

Yes! The Christians are the ones persecuting homosexuals! (oh, btw, Liberals are INSANE!)

11 posted on 06/21/2011 7:41:44 AM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: wagglebee

This is illuminating:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Phillips


12 posted on 06/21/2011 7:42:18 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Lazamataz
as has been said before picture(s) are worth a thousand words. Thanks, Laz.
13 posted on 06/21/2011 7:42:58 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: rokkitapps

These people are unreal. Do they not know what muslims think of homosexuals? Christians just want to be left alone. The homosexuals have been the aggressors on this issue and without any real justification by real standards. Gays have never been made to sit in the back of the box or use separate bathrooms, water fountains etc. They haven’t even sufferred the degree of bullying they would like people to believe. The number of people seriously attacked who are gay is on the level with snake bite victims. Fat awkward smaller kids get bullied more than any other groups but its the fags that have it and they can keep their mouths shut about their sexual orientation. A black person or a fat person doesn’t have the luxery of keeping what they are targeted for private. Those that encourage kids to think and express that they are gay should be beaten because they are inflaming the issue and if what they are saying is true they are encouraging children endanger themselves for a cause that isn’t a matter of public consumption but is instead disruptive.

This is typical of the left. They create these fictions and then build up an orwellian govt structure to enforce their fictions on all of us.


14 posted on 06/21/2011 7:44:02 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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To: fabrizio

Yeah... all those Christians and their refusal to accept being killed by suicide bombings, and for protesting the burning and bombing of their churches in Pakistan. Those awful Christian women who, in some places IN BRITAIN, are being coerced by muslim men to cover their heads or risk death.

I guess this idiot is hoping if he turns against his own and expresses favor to the muslims, he’ll be stoned or beheaded last.


15 posted on 06/21/2011 7:46:05 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
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To: fabrizio

Well in the Moon God world if you are caught publicly being gay they stone you to death or throw you off a tall tower, if you can get away with it they promote you to spiritual leader.


16 posted on 06/21/2011 7:47:20 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: fabrizio
Every joke has its punchline:

Unlike intolerant evangelical Christians, Britain’s Muslims, he said, are “doing their damnedest to come to terms with their neighbours to try to integrate and they’re doing their best to try to develop an idea of Islam that is compatible with living in a modern liberal democracy.”

17 posted on 06/21/2011 7:47:27 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
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To: ScottinVA

[ Every joke has its punchline:

Unlike intolerant evangelical Christians, Britain’s Muslims, he said, are “doing their damnedest to come to terms with their neighbours to try to integrate and they’re doing their best to try to develop an idea of Islam that is compatible with living in a modern liberal democracy.” ]

Denial is not just a river in the homosexual safe country of Egypt.......


18 posted on 06/21/2011 8:06:57 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG
Muslim's are doing their best to try to develop an idea of Islam that is compatible with living in a modern liberal democracy

Mission impossible.....Islam and Democracy are diametrically opposed. Not going to happen. The more they try the more obvious it is it cannot happen. At best they will wear a mask of Democracy....but without leaving the Koran and that which dictates their life and their politics, which cannot be seperated from Islam and the Koran..and trumps over all other laws, it will never happen.

19 posted on 06/21/2011 8:11:50 AM PDT by caww
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To: GraceG
Muslim's are doing their best to try to develop an idea of Islam that is compatible with living in a modern liberal democracy

Mission impossible.....Islam and Democracy are diametrically opposed. Not going to happen. The more they try the more obvious it is it cannot happen. At best they will wear a mask of Democracy....but without leaving the Koran and that which dictates their life and their politics, which cannot be separated from Islam and the Koran..and trumps over all other laws, it will never happen.

20 posted on 06/21/2011 8:12:28 AM PDT by caww
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To: fabrizio

Yea, how fanatic those Anglicans and Methodists are imagine not wanting to be bombed at the train station or beheaded because of a cartoon they drew..

Do these people live in a cave?


21 posted on 06/21/2011 8:25:13 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: fabrizio

He’s just saying that because he knows if he reverses the statement so that it’s true, the headchoppers will kill him.


22 posted on 06/21/2011 9:17:00 AM PDT by crosshairs (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: All; fabrizio

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2008/04/strange-sex-stories-from-the-muslim-world


23 posted on 06/21/2011 10:04:07 AM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: All; johngrace

Al-taqiyya

Al-taqiyya and dissimulation are words used for a practice of Muslims blatantly lying to non-Muslims. All but some of the most fundamental Muslims consider the act of Al-taqiyya or lying to non-Muslims to be a good work. This is very important when one remembers that, in Islam, salvation is determined by good works. This means that a Muslim lying to a non-Muslim is that Muslim doing a good work to earn salvation. It is almost equivalent to a Christian accepting Jesus as his savior. One of the big differences is that a Christian only needs to accept Jesus as his savior once to become saved forever but a Muslim must do his good works consistently and repeatedly to earn his salvation with the except of the greatest work of dying while fighting non-Muslims.

This is particularly important when one realizes that the only work which can guarantee salvation for a Muslim is to wage war against and kill non-Muslims or at least support those who do wage war against and kill non-Muslims. It is only logical that to lie in support of a war against non-Muslims could guarantee salvation for a Muslim because it would be considered supporting the war. This is a very powerful motivation for any Muslim to lie to any non-Muslim for any reason but especially when concerning any war or military effort against non-Muslims.

I have learned that, for this reason, it is very common practice for Muslims, especially leaders, to lie about the war against non-Muslims. These lies come in many forms such as denying that Islam is a war against non-Muslims, that the Koran teaches salvation through fighting and killing non-Muslims, feigning sympathy for the US concerning 9/11, or Muslim countries denying that they have military intentions against Israel, the US, or other non-Muslim countries.

This raises a number or questions. Are the Muslim peace protestors in the US actually using Al-taqiyya or dissimulation to earn their salvation by lying and trying to interfere with the US and Israel’s efforts to defend themselves? Is the Muslim sympathy for the US concerning 9/11 Al-taqiyya earning the salvation of the Muslims by feigning sympathy for the US? Are the Muslim leaders and official speakers using Al-taqiyya to earn salvation by lying to the US media about them fighting because they are “being oppressed by Israel” when there are plenty of Muslims who are citizens in Israel, have good jobs, have their own prosperous businesses, who vote, and are even in the Israeli government?

I recently watched a ABC 20/20 news show by Barbara Walters where she went to Saudi Arabia to confront different people there about text which had been uncovered in public school books which taught hatred and murder of non-Muslims but specifically Jews. I watched as every Muslim male and almost every Muslim female she sat down with to interview blatantly lied about what the Koran says concerning war, hatred, and murdering towards the Jews. Not one of them told the truth. This was clearly Al-taqiyya.

Interestingly, she kept querying about certain terms which stated that Jews would hide behind the trees and the trees would call out to the Muslims, “A Jew is hiding behind me, come and kill him.” Not one of the Muslims interviewed told her about the Muslim prophesy concerning the end times (see my page “Koran and Bible Prophesy”) where it is said that the Jews and Christians will hide behind the trees and rocks and that the trees and rocks will cry out, “A Jew or a Christian is hiding behind me, come and kill him.” Instead, they ALL lied to her about Islam being a religion of peace except for three young radicals who kind of half admitted that Islam and the Koran have an agenda of war and murder. But even they were very careful to tone the militant talk down from what the Koran really says and is preached by the orthodox or fundamentalist Muslims.

It should be noted that I have read on some Muslim sites that a few more fundamental Muslim sites do not commit dissimulation, are open about the warrior mentality of Islam, and are proud that they do not dissemble or lie. But my understanding is that this is only the most “radical” or orthodox Muslims. It seems that the vast majority of Muslims are actually proud that they do dissemble or lie. The problem is, how can you tell which ones are not lying to you if you don’t know the Koran and Islam? Basically, you can’t believe the few because of the many. It is my opinion that the only Muslims a non-Muslim can believe about anything are the fundamentalist Muslims who openly admit that Islam is a warrior religion and that they are required to destroy all non-Muslims. Even then, we need to be careful.

In summary, Al-taqiyya and dissimulation mean that no non-Muslim can believe anything told to them by any Muslim especially if it has to do with the Koran’s perpetual Jihad against all non-Muslims. For that Muslim to lie to you is for that Muslim to do a good work towards earning salvation.


24 posted on 06/21/2011 10:08:58 AM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: johngrace

http://www.hauns.com/~DCQu4E5g/koran5.html


25 posted on 06/21/2011 10:09:54 AM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: fabrizio

“barf alert” isn’t enough.

More like *projectile vomit alert*.


26 posted on 06/21/2011 10:26:52 AM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: fabrizio

“Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people. “(Proverbs 14:34)

“The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is His delight.” (Proverbs 15:8)

“By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.” (Proverbs 16:6)

“Because that, when they knew God,they glorified Him not as God, neither were they thankful, but became in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.” (Romans 1:21)

“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” (Romans 10:9-10)


27 posted on 06/21/2011 11:16:14 AM PDT by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: fabrizio

“Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people. “(Proverbs 14:34)

“The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is His delight.” (Proverbs 15:8)

“By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.” (Proverbs 16:6)

“Because that, when they knew God,they glorified Him not as God, neither were they thankful, but became in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.” (Romans 1:21)

“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” (Romans 10:9-10)


28 posted on 06/21/2011 11:17:08 AM PDT by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: fabrizio

“Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people. “(Proverbs 14:34)

“The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is His delight.” (Proverbs 15:8)

“By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.” (Proverbs 16:6)

“Because that, when they knew God,they glorified Him not as God, neither were they thankful, but became in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.” (Romans 1:21)

“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” (Romans 10:9-10)


29 posted on 06/21/2011 11:18:27 AM PDT by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: fabrizio

“Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people. “(Proverbs 14:34)

“The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is His delight.” (Proverbs 15:8)

“By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.” (Proverbs 16:6)

“Because that, when they knew God,they glorified Him not as God, neither were they thankful, but became in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.” (Romans 1:21)

“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” (Romans 10:9-10)


30 posted on 06/21/2011 11:18:42 AM PDT by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: fabrizio
The current movement towards doctrinal and moral orthodoxy in the Anglican and Catholic churches is a revival of “an old time religion incompatible with modern society” that is clashing with “mainstream” views, especially on homosexuality, he continued.

And there you have it, folks, in all its blatancy. Orthodox religion is going to be illegal.

Unless you're a moslem, in which case you get a pass. And the same probably goes for the "indigenous pipples" of the world too.

31 posted on 06/21/2011 11:25:16 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: wagglebee

Proving that ignorance is not bliss.


32 posted on 06/21/2011 12:39:40 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This IS my blog site.)
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