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USCCB Pres. Authorizes..Introduction of Musical Settings of New Roman Missal..In Sept. [Catholic C]
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Posted on 06/28/2011 10:22:13 PM PDT by Salvation

USCCB President Authorizes Gradual Introduction of Musical Settings of New Roman Missal Starting In September

June 28th, 2011 by U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops

Archbishop Gregory Aymond of New Orleans, chairman of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops’ (USCCB) Committee on Divine Worship, announced that diocesan bishops may permit the gradual introduction of the musical settings of the people’s parts of the Mass from the new Roman Missal in September. Primarily this affects the the Gloria, the Holy, Holy, Holy and the Memorial Acclamations.

This variation to the implementation of the Roman Missal, Third Edition, set to take place all at once on November 27, was authorized by USCCB president, Archbishop Timothy Dolan of New York, and adopted by the committee to allow parish communities to learn the various parts of the new translation “in a timely fashion and an even pace.”

The Committee on Divine Worship made the decision in response to requests from several bishops, echoed by the National Advisory Council. Some suggested that the various acclamations could be more effectively introduced throughout the fall, so that when the full Missal is implemented on the First Sunday of Advent, the congregation will have already become familiar with the prayers that are sung.

“I ask you to encourage this as a means of preparing our people and helping them embrace the new translation,” Archbishop Gregory told the bishops. The announcement took place June 16, during the U.S. bishops Spring Assembly near Seattle.

This update is courtesy of US Conference of Catholic Bishops.



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Actual title USCCB President Authorizes Gradual Introduction of Musical Settings of New Roman Missal Starting In September

1 posted on 06/28/2011 10:22:19 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Hooray Ping!

Many of you know how much I dislike some of the current sing-songy Catholic-pop music.

Please, back to sacred.


2 posted on 06/28/2011 10:25:05 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

We began singing the new “Lord’s Prayer” setting during Lent. The choir did it for several weeks, just using the melody, so the congregation could learn it, and we introduced the harmony at the Easter vigil. It’s a lovely piece. We’ll start doing the other parts of the Mass when we reconvene in September.


3 posted on 06/28/2011 10:32:31 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

Oh! I wish I could hear it.

Our Music Director thinks that The Lord’s Prayer needs to be sung at EVERY Mass. Not so.

It’s supposed to be said at most Masses.


4 posted on 06/28/2011 10:35:38 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Agree but there is an ocean of difference between “authorizing” and “requiring” this.


5 posted on 06/28/2011 10:48:24 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Salvation
"Many of you know how much I dislike some of the current sing-songy Catholic-pop music."

Exactly. I'm digging out my St. Gregory's Hymnal for inspiration.

6 posted on 06/28/2011 10:51:02 PM PDT by redhead (Don't bother to impeach the miserable SOB, ARREST him!)
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To: Steelfish

Excellent point. Authorizing it now.....requiring it on the First Sunday of Advent.

Makes sense to start learning it, though.


7 posted on 06/28/2011 10:56:02 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: All

Just sent this to my priest.

He answered and was glad to forward it to our Music Director! Hahahahah!

We’ll see what happens.


8 posted on 06/28/2011 11:53:10 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I’d been wondering when they’d start. The sooner, the better.


9 posted on 06/29/2011 2:44:57 AM PDT by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: Salvation

Learn about some of the new stuf at a music ministers evening retreat at a local retreat house.


10 posted on 06/29/2011 3:15:00 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: SuziQ; Salvation

Sadly, Marty Haugen and the gang at GIA have been busy “updating” their drivel with the new words, so in practice, the actual music isn’t going to change much.

It will still be the pop ballads and jingles, alas. There will probably be some good new stuff written, but the problem will be getting it past the “liturgical press” mafia and into the hymnals. Marty Haugen (a Lutheran, btw), the remaining St Louis Jesuits, and a couple of others have it all sewed up.

There was some suggestion that the copyright on the texts (held by the USCCB’s publishing house) be relaxed so that other composers could use them, but I’m not sure what the final decision was on that.


11 posted on 06/29/2011 3:28:12 AM PDT by livius
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To: Salvation
Our Music Director thinks that The Lord’s Prayer needs to be sung at EVERY Mass. Not so.

It’s supposed to be said at most Masses.

I would have to disagree (we are talking about Sunday Masses here). We are called to sing the Mass not sing at the Mass. The normative Sunday Mass should be the Missa Cantata or Sung Mass at which the whole Mass should be sung. Unfortunately we have become used to Low Mass or Recited Mass at which we add a few hymns to spice it up. We are robbing ourselves of the experience of a full liturgy. It is my hope that with this new Missal we can reclaim our liturgical heritage and move back to the historical norm of a fully chanted Mass.

12 posted on 06/29/2011 5:07:54 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: livius

I hope they lower the key in most songs to something less than high C over C.

Not everyone is a soprano.


13 posted on 06/29/2011 5:17:31 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: OpusatFR
Not everyone is a soprano.

True. Especially not the quavering sopranos in the choir.

14 posted on 06/29/2011 5:38:57 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: Salvation

Someone at our little church replaced the organ with a “Mr Rogers Neighborhood”-style piano and TRIED to include hand clapping to certain hootenanny sing-a-long songs. There is nothing sacred or inspiring about it. If I hear “soon and very soon, I’m gonna see the king...” at Holy Communtion one more time...!!


15 posted on 06/29/2011 6:38:09 AM PDT by NewCenturions
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To: Salvation

No songs AFTER 1960 without a special dispensation from the Pope! :)


16 posted on 06/29/2011 6:38:18 AM PDT by NewCenturions
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To: NewCenturions

Amen! Our church uses the Adoremus Hymnals. Such a blessing!


17 posted on 06/29/2011 7:24:19 AM PDT by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: NewCenturions

“Communtion”=Communion - thinking of our local church music gets me crazy!


18 posted on 06/29/2011 7:48:54 AM PDT by NewCenturions
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To: samiam1972

We use something called “Breaking Bread”. No daily Mass readings, just Sundays and Holy Days, and the music is a mix of classics and folk


19 posted on 06/29/2011 7:50:14 AM PDT by NewCenturions
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To: Salvation

Is it TRUE? Really? Can’t believe the Church is leaving the vapid music we’ve endured for years. Deo Gratias! Sursum Corda!


20 posted on 06/29/2011 9:32:21 AM PDT by famousdayandyear
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To: livius; Salvation

Sadly, Marty Haugen and the gang at GIA have been busy “updating” their drivel with the new words, so in practice, the actual music isn’t going to change much.

&&&
Thanks, livius, for answering the question that came to my mind.

I would so love to have chant. St.Gregory, pray for us.


21 posted on 06/29/2011 10:39:07 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin in 2012)
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To: livius

I was afraid of that.


22 posted on 06/29/2011 10:40:36 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Petrosius

I attend a Novus Ordo Mass. It sounds like you attend a Tridentine Mass. Am I correct?


23 posted on 06/29/2011 10:41:48 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Petrosius

I’ll check the GIRM, but I believe singing the Our Father at EVERY Mass is not endorsed.


24 posted on 06/29/2011 10:43:09 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
Both. Although there are still problems with with the Novus Ordo Missal as written, the biggest problem is how we celebrate it, cutting ourselves off from a living continuity and organic growth that should have been the signs of a true liturgical reform. If we were to go beyond our normal experience and expectations of the Novus Ordo there is nothing stopping us from celebrating it with the same reverence as the ancient rite. Image a Novus Ordo Mass celebrated in an unrenovated sanctuary, completely chanted according to the new Graduale Romanum or with sacred polyphony, ad orientem, substantial use of Latin, with a deacon and vested formally installed acolyte and lector taking the place of the former subdeacon, use of only male servers, and Communion kneeling and on the tongue at the altar rail. This is possible and if such had been made available in every parish then we could have avoided the liturgical wars of the past 40 years.
25 posted on 06/29/2011 10:56:21 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Salvation
I’ll check the GIRM, but I believe singing the Our Father at EVERY Mass is not endorsed.

From the GIRM:

40. Great importance should therefore be attached to the use of singing in the celebration of the Mass, with due consideration for the culture of the people and abilities of each liturgical assembly. Although it is not always necessary (e.g., in weekday Masses) to sing all the texts that are of themselves meant to be sung, every care should be taken that singing by the ministers and the people is not absent in celebrations that occur on Sundays and on holy days of obligation.

In the choosing of the parts actually to be sung, however, preference should be given to those that are of greater importance and especially to those to be sung by the priest or the deacon or the lector, with the people responding, or by the priest and people together.

Remember that I was speaking of a Sunday Mass. Where it says the it is not always necessary to sing all the texts of the Mass it not the same as discouraging it. The GIRM references no. 7 of Musicam sacram: Instruction on Music in the Liturgy (1967):
7. Between the solemn, fuller form of liturgical celebration, in which everything that demands singing is in fact sung, and the simplest form, in which singing is not used, there can be various degrees according to the greater or lesser place allotted to singing. However, in selecting the parts which are to be sung, one should start with those that are by their nature of greater importance, and especially those which are to be sung by the priest or by the ministers, with the people replying, or those which are to be sung by the priest and people together. The other parts may be gradually added according as they are proper to the people alone or to the choir alone.
Latter in that Instruction we find:
27. For the celebration of the Eucharist with the people, especially on Sundays and feast days, a form of sung Mass (Missa in cantu) is to be preferred as much as possible, even several times on the same day.

28. The distinction between solemn, sung and read Mass, sanctioned by the Instruction of 1958 (n. 3), is retained, according to the traditional liturgical laws at present in force. However, for the sung Mass (Missa cantata), different degrees of participation are put forward here for reasons of pastoral usefulness, so that it may become easier to make the celebration of Mass more beautiful by singing, according to the capabilities of each congregation.

Prior to the council the was a strict distinction between the sung Mass and the recited or Low Mass. In the former all the parts, including the readings, had to be sung. In the later none of the Mass parts could be sung; the music being the addition of non-liturgical hymns. The reference to the sung Mass (Missa in cantu) is to a fully sung Mass. Thus the fully sung Mass is to be preferred on Sundays and feasts days. Masses with various degrees of singing is a concession to practicality and not an ideal to strive for.
26 posted on 06/29/2011 11:41:27 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: livius

Don’t know who Marty Haugen is but I detest his insipid music. Plenty of good stuff out there, such as nearly everything prior to Vatican Two.


27 posted on 06/29/2011 12:07:43 PM PDT by oldsicilian
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To: Salvation

Great post. I’ll never forget when, about a year ago, our 10 am Mass began with the Cat Stevens song “Morning has broken”. It ruined the morning for me.........not only are there hundreds of historic hymns, WHY THE HECK DID THEY PICK THAT ONE? (...written from a muslim convert, too?). What the heck? I think that the Priests heard the feedback and we haven’t heard that song, since. Now, if they can only do 1 or 2 stanzas of other lesser-known songs instead of ALL 4 STANZAS, I would be a happier person in the pew. I’m not in Church because of the music......


28 posted on 06/29/2011 12:38:39 PM PDT by NoRedTape
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To: Salvation

I agree. Jesus was not into jazz!


29 posted on 06/29/2011 3:12:55 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Salvation

Besides the translation changes what is meant by “musical settings” ?

Are they standardizing the tune / form of various parts ?

Its kinda confusing when every parish you visit seems to have a different melody for the various songs.


30 posted on 06/29/2011 6:51:11 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: NewCenturions

Eeek! That borders on sacrilege!

Our former pastor finally solved this raging controversy over Communion songs and hymns - none. Total silence during the entire time, not even soft organ music in the background. It’s heavenly, you can actually pray.

Now we are getting a new priest, however, so the musicians are scheming. For some reason, very few priests have the balls to go up against the “music ministry.”


31 posted on 06/29/2011 9:29:43 PM PDT by baa39 (If you can't take the heat, get out of FR.)
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To: baa39

**For some reason, very few priests have the balls to go up against the “music ministry.”**

You have no idea how much you speak the truth there!


32 posted on 06/29/2011 9:37:43 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Ah, hmm, well, more corruption or collusion in the Archdiocese of the Vlazinator.


33 posted on 06/29/2011 9:52:29 PM PDT by baa39 (If you can't take the heat, get out of FR.)
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To: Bigg Red; Salvation

The good news (I have heard from somebody who is a music director) is that at least one of the new, generally-awful hymnals does have a much larger section of chant, notated in such a way that it is meant for congregational singing.

So there was enough of a demand for this that a company usually hostile to chant and traditional Catholic music had to include a section of it.

I think there is hope, but there’s still a huge backlog of bad music and also of music directors with terrible taste, simply because they have never known any other kind of music during their careers.


34 posted on 06/30/2011 8:09:34 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

Thanks for that update.

St. Gregory, pray for us.


35 posted on 06/30/2011 4:38:17 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin in 2012)
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To: livius; Salvation; bigred

Hopefully, more and more Catholic Choirs will participate in the the Sacred Music Colloquim. See attached link below:

http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/


36 posted on 07/03/2011 8:55:18 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: baa39

Hey, he retires next February. Pray for us to get Chaput or Olmsted.


37 posted on 07/03/2011 1:49:08 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: livius

**I think there is hope, but there’s still a huge backlog of bad music and also of music directors with terrible taste, simply because they have never known any other kind of music during their careers.**

Yes, there is hope, but it is going to take awhile to turn things back to sacred.


38 posted on 07/03/2011 1:51:18 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: CTrent1564

Great website, thanks.


39 posted on 07/03/2011 2:00:40 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

What a way to go out...not with a reputation for holiness, but with an aggressive, hard-sell fund-raising campaign for an unprecedented $70 million, not giving any details why we need the money or how they will spend it, but insisting people fork it over during the country’s worse recession in 35 years.

He is pressuring the priests severely too, it’s all they talk about, “Capital Campaign, Capital Campaign, Capital Campaign.” I’m sick of it, the strong arm tactics border on unethical (soliciting parish records on individuals, etc), and they won’t get a dime from me beyond my normal donation. I feel that as a matter of principle.

It would be neat to get one of those heavy-hitter bishops like you mention, but I believe Portland will be given to a smaller bishop for whom it’s a “step up.” Let’s just hope he’s Catholic...ya know?!?


40 posted on 07/03/2011 8:12:17 PM PDT by baa39 (We're losing hope; keep the change.)
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To: baa39

Because our parish is growing so much we are running (actually close to it) our own capital campaign for building and moving rooms, etc. So we have escaped the strong arm tactics of which you speak.

I think we can be very thankful. You aren’t the only one who has spoken of this to me.

You also know that Steiner is retiring this year? Who do you think we will get there? (I just hope it’s not a step up for O’D)

You have FReepmail.


41 posted on 07/03/2011 8:28:23 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Well, if it’s hard to fill the role, I’m sure Mary Jo would be only too eager to volunteer. Ha ha ha! (I’m terrible.)


42 posted on 07/03/2011 9:31:28 PM PDT by baa39 (We're losing hope; keep the change.)
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To: Salvation

Salvation:

Your welcome. It has been on my Catholic blog reading list for sometime. Great site for what is going on in the Liturgy around the world and great source for the historical foundation and “organic development” of the Liturgy in continuity with Tradition, which is what Pope Benedict has been stressing since he became the Successor of St. Peter.


43 posted on 07/04/2011 7:19:05 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: Salvation; baa39

Hey Guys:

I may have missed in the thread but who are we talking about here. My guess it must be a major ArchDiocese if you are hoping for Abp Chaput-Denver or Bishop Olmested of Pheonix, which I think may now be an ArchDiocese as well.


44 posted on 07/04/2011 7:21:48 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: CTrent1564; baa39

Portland Oregon.

Bishop Steiner retires this year

Archbishop Vlazny retires in February.

Who do you think we will get?


45 posted on 07/04/2011 9:27:53 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Salvation:

I don’t see Abp Chaput going to Portland from Denver. Bishop Steiner I assume is the auxilliary correct? Abp Vlazny is not that bad of a Bishop, at least that is how it appears from my view down South.

Bishop Olmsted of Pheonix I would think will not get moved from Pheonix as I think it just became an archdiocese I believe.

My view is The Pope will look to a mid-size city, someone who shares the Pope’s view of Liturgy and Theology and apppoint him to Archbishop of Portland, now who that is I don’t know. Rocco over at Whisipers in the Loggia seems to be well connected with that kind of stuff.


46 posted on 07/05/2011 6:37:31 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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