Skip to comments.11 Surprising Things You Didn't Know About Mormons
Posted on 06/30/2011 12:33:48 PM PDT by Colofornian
...The church's assets are thought to be worth more than $30 billion.
...The church reportedly receives more than $5 billion in tithes every year.
The church also has substantial real estate and for-profit business investments, managed by Deseret Management Corp. The company is one of the largest owners of farm and ranch land in the U.S. It owns the country's largest nut producer, AgReserves, Inc., the 14th largest radio chain, Bonneville International Corp...
Economic entrepreneurialism is...part of Mormon doctrine 88 of...112 revelations received by... founder Joseph Smith deal with fiscal matters.
The Twilight saga is actually about the Mormon belief in eternal marriage.
The Twilight series, by Mormon author Stephanie Meyers, is an allegory for the Mormon concept of "celestial marriage" - the belief that a couple that is "sealed" in a Mormon temple will stay bound together forever...
Edward and Bella's bond is sealed when Edward bites Bella. As with a Mormon marriage, there's no turning back for Bella, who is transformed into a vampire for eternity.
The Mormon church thinks polygamy might be okay in the afterlife.
...(the official Mormon church)...still believes...the divine principle of plural marriage may apply in heaven. In the case of death or divorce, Mormon men can be sealed to another wife and all of their celestial marriages will be honored in eternity.
The LDS...tried to distance itself from...40,000 fundamentalist Mormons who still practice polygamy...
Mormons wear special undergarments called a "temple garment"...designed to give "protection against temptation and evil."
Many Mormons believe the underwear provides spiritual protection.
Mormons believe that when Jesus returns, he's coming to the U.S.
Mormons believe...all the...Christian churches fell into apostasy...
...Jesus will personally return to reign over a paradisaical Kingdom on earth. His headquarters will be at the...temple in Jackson County, Missouri...
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(That's why it's known as Lds, Inc...where it is even building secular shopping malls not too far from its HQ in Salt Lake City!)
And it's also about the Mormon belief that you can exist forever in an immortal, god-like state.
So much for the Mormon misdirection that polygamy, in their eyes, was "done away with." (They just think it was colonized elsewhere...and will be re-instituted on Planet Earth when the Mormon jesus reappears)
Yeah, I can hardly wait when foreign journalists query "President Romney" about his "under" wardrobe. How "enlightening" would be such a detailed report on that!
Except that the original location prophesied by Joseph Smith for the return isn't owned by the mainstream Mormons anymore! Temple Lot is owned by a very small sub-sect that broke off from the Mormons...and this sect doesn't even call themselves "Mormon."
Boy, what a dilemma for the Mormons! Here, Smith prophesied about Jesus ruling from a temple they don't even own!
Give it up about the Mormons.
I’ll take Mormons over Muslims anyday.
If we want to trash RINOmney, just do it on his miserable record...we don’t need to bring religion into it.
As in essentially 100% apostasy. Don't believe the Mormon lie that they were attacked first; they were spreading slander from the get-go...
...& continue to spend millions of $...
...& massive volunteer & professional manpower...
...to maliciously label the worldwide Christian church as defunct.
What about the magic underwear?
What specifically does it protect from?
Does it only protect the covered areas?
Is it effective for non-Mormons?
Is it bullet proof?
Does it itch?
What separates the Mormons from any other Christian organizations (besides the fact that “folks” think it isn’t Christian...) who invest their tithes into things, places and entities that produce income?
“Folks” are so hung up on the word “MORMON” that they won’t even condider the true name of the church: The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints.”
“Folks” are so pitiful in their anti-arguments. *sheesh*
One of the subtle differences between the teaching of Christianity and the teaching of Mormonism is that Christians are married “until death do us part” while Mormons are married for all eternity. And this is no small distinction. It is clear in the Bible that there will be no marriage nor giving in marriage in eternity.
When I read that the author was a Mormon, I somehow wasn’t surprised by it. The only thing that really bothers me the most about Twilight is having a preening Vampire share the same name as myself. Ugh.
Why does that sound so much like ObaMao and his redistributionist socialist army of freeloaders and miscreants?
[ ...The church’s assets are thought to be worth more than $30 billion.
...The church reportedly receives more than $5 billion in tithes every year.
The church also has substantial real estate and for-profit business investments, managed by Deseret Management Corp. The company is one of the largest owners of farm and ranch land in the U.S. It owns the country’s largest nut producer, AgReserves, Inc., the 14th largest radio chain, Bonneville International Corp... ]
Which is why they are surviving and even thriving in this era of Christian Church destruction that is led by atheists and statistics...
Many of the Christian denominations have bought into the whole separation of church from state to think it means and includes business ventures and this is why they are losing the culture war. Sad to say.
>>>It is clear in the Bible that there will be no marriage nor giving in marriage in eternity.<<<
The Bible? C’mon we all know the Word of Smith outranks the Word of God...to Mormons, anyway.
12th surprising thing about Mormons: Like Jews, they seem to attract the ire of the world’s certifiable sector.
No. (Especially of their destiny unless they cut shore their desire to compete with God as yet more gods in the universe)
What separates the Mormons from any other Christian organizations (besides the fact that folks think it isnt Christian...) who invest their tithes into things, places and entities that produce income?
Please name me a Christian organization that is building a shopping mall? The closest thing I can think of was that theme park, Heritage USA in South Carolina from the 1980s -- complete with a luxury hotel -- that the corrupt Bakkers built. Heritage USA reached the level of the third-most frequented theme park in the country.
Per Wikipedia: Bakker "sold" more "exclusive partnerships" [in being able to stay @ the hotel] than could be accommodated, while raising more than twice the money needed to build the actual hotel. A good deal of the money went into Heritage USA's operating expenses... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bakker
Well, as I mentioned in post #7, Mormons are so hung up with lambasting these past 180 years the historic worldwide Christian church that it won't acknowledge any other "saints" than themselves! Per Joseph Smith, in the Doctrines & Covenants 1:30, the Mormon church considers itself the "only true and living church on the face of the earth."
To the Mormons there were no "former-day Saints" living in the fourth (or earlier) century til the 19th century!
Do you know what that especially means on this July 4th weekend? It means that the Mormon church regards 100% of our country's founding fathers as apostates!
Like some 6 billion and counting spent on a shopping mall in SLC?
Folks are so hung up on the word MORMON that they wont even condider the true name of the church: The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints.
Started out as the "Church of Christ" 1830
Changed it to "The Church of the Latter Day Saints" in 1834
It wasn't until 1838 that it became "The CHURCH of Jesus Christ of LATTER DAY SAINTS", yes folks, notice the change of emphasis. That occured only recently.
BTW - the mormon church uses www.mormon.com (and derivitives) for itself - so they must be hung up on it as well.
Since I don’t pay attention to the holdings of which churches, and who does what with whom, and how much the Vatican owns, and how much the struggling little pentacostal churches don’t own, I don’t have to name anything.
Of course, if push came to shove, I might try to research it all, but it would have to be an extremely good day for me, since CFIDS prohibits a lot of info coming in at any one time.
I could care less about Baaker or anyone else who uses the pulpit to line their own pockets. Ninety-nine percent of the LDS churches leaders, in any capacity, are independently wealthy. They have to be: The LDS church does NOT pay them a salary.
So where is the the argument?
Am I supposed to care about your opinion?
“I’ll take Mormons over Muslims anyday.”
“If we want to trash RINOROMNEY...”
Has someone proven that this is the intent of this thread? Is there a mind-reader here at FR or one who can absolutely prove motive?
>>>>Folks are so hung up on the word MORMON that they wont even condider the true name of the church: The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints.<<<<
Give me a break. Mormon is not some slur invented by real Chrisitans or other non-Mormons. LDS members identify themselves as “Mormon” all the time.
Or is the MORMON Tabernacle Choir part of some splinter group? What about all those TV ads that end with “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints -— The Mormons”?
As for the financial issues, I don’t have any problem with the Mormon Church having all those assets.
My problem is that they teach a different “word of God” (the book of Mormon) and a different Gospel, a different “Jesus” and a different God the Father, that are are fundamentally different from the authenthic, biblical ones. Many of their teachings about God are downright blasphemous.
Oh, it’s way worse than your thread post indicates!
Mormon Cult Deception Method:
1. Convince you of their sincerity
2. Trick you into expressing faith first in the Book of Mormon by praying and asking for a sign (this takes you off the objective ground of Biblical truth and puts you into subjective ground of feelings)
3. Convince you that the Bible has errors in its translation
4. Trick you into expressing faith in the prophet Joseph Smith
5. Trick you into expressing faith in the Restoration of the Gospel (see Galatians Chapter one)
6. Get you all the way into the baptismal font...
7. ONLY THEN... you will learn the true DEVIANT doctrines of
Mormonism. At this point, it is too late! You only have
feelings as a basis of truth! You will believe anything.
Such as the following truths taught in mormonism ...
The 3 Mormon Earth gods:
... The mormon Heavenly Father used to be a man, but became God. You will have to swallow that God could sin!
... The Jesus of mormonism was a created spirit being who became one of the three mormon earth gods
... The mormonic Holy Spirit is also a created spirit being. He doesnt have a body because he is on probation! Yes, he was naughty. He sinned.
... In short, the mormon earth gods are sinful, created spirit beings. But there is more...
The FOURTH Mormon Earth God!
...The Mormon Heavenly Mother God!
Yes, believe it or not, it turns out there is a mormonic Mother God!
... SHE and the father god have sex
... SHE is eternally pregnant
... SHE pops out spirit children who will some day get a human body on earth
... SHE is probably not alone! Mormons still believe and teach eternal polygamy.
The Mormonic Pantheon of gods:
... There are BILLIONS or TRILLIONS of mormon gods on other planets.
Hindus have approximately 350 million gods. They are
pikers compared to mormons!
How do they get so many gods? They manufacture more all the
... Any mormon male can be a God with his own planet, mother goddesses, and spirit kids to worship him.
... Becoming a mormon god means lots of works to attain the god-level. This is why you see mormons working so hard. Now you know why.
... Speaking of levels, heaven has three levels.
... All the trillions of gods in the mormon pantheon get together regularly over spring break in Kolob Beach to counsel together
What will your life be like as a mormon?
... you have to give 10%?
... your bishop is there to ask if you gave your FULL tithe
... your bishop is also there to ask many probing, personal, embarrassing questions
... Did we mention you will
... you will have to complete Masonic Temple rituals that involve strangers touching your private parts
... You will have to wear magic underwear 24/7/365
Once inside the Morg, you have to accept it ALL to move up the chain towards Godhood.
Did you mean to address the ISM rather than the duped people in the ISM?
Am I suppose to care about your opinion - you were the one with their tail tied in knots over the use of 'mormon' 'face, not me.
And after all those years of not wanting to be associated with the true Christian church and all. . . . . .
The name Jesus Christ is wothin the official name Church of Jesus Christ of...just as the name Jehovah is within the name Jehovah’s Witness.
So going by names alone, are both denominations biblically or equally biblical or both teach true doctrine? :)
I prefer calling your religion the LDS since Mormonsim insults Jesus and God by defining a different god and a different jesus than in the Bible. But thanks you for your concern, Momron.
The 100% cotton ones make great gun cleaning rags! Stop throwing them away.
Btw, to add to what I previously said, is Romney’s name anywhere in the Business Insider article? If it is, then I stand corrected. I didn’t see Romney’s name. Maybe I missed it.
The Catholic church has about twice that just sitting in their checking accounts. That's why leftists pop their corks in envy over the Catholic church. You don't want to know where leftists keep their corks.
Do you have any idea how many times I’ve heard your arguments?
You’re actually asking me to defend some things I had no hand in creating or perpetrating. Sorry. Not biting today.
And, pray, tell, how many other churches have blasphemous teachings about God? Islam, maybe? Go bother them. I’m not interested in feeding your zeal.
Well, since it is rooted in Mormon folk superstition, I think we need to look at the spooky spirits Smith was most afraid of in the 1830s & 1840s...and how they cont'd to "haunt" the Mormons after that into the 1870s...When the Mormons STILL claim to this day that the signers of the Declaration of Independence appeared as ghosts in their St. George, Utah Mormon temple!
1830s - Mormons running amok amongst spirits of all kinds!
"Soon after the Gospel was established in Kirtland...many false spirits were introduced, many strange visions were seen, and wild, enthusiastic notions were entertained; men ran out doors under the influence of this spirit, and some of them got upon the stumps of trees and shouted, and all kinds of extravagances were entered into by them; one man pursued a ball that he said he saw flying in the air, until he came to a precipice, when he jumped into the top of a tree, which saved his life; and many ridiculous things were entered into... (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 213-214)
1840s: Brigham Young says demons were IN the Mormon church!
Obviously these spirits were having their way with early Mormons. So did it stop by a dozen years into the early church?
No! By 1842, Smith was still saying: "Or who can drag into daylight and develop the hidden mysteries of the false spirits that so frequently are made manifest among the Latter-day Saints?" (TOPJS, p. 204)
AND: "There have also been ministering angels in the Church which were of Satan appearing as an angel of light." (TOPJS, p. 214)
Smith went on to describe a "sister's" first vision in which "Many true things were spoken by this personage, and many things that were false. How, it may be asked, was this known to be a bad angel? (TOPJS, p. 214)
1850s: The Evil Spirit Haunting of the Salt Lake City Tabernacle -- Even During Broad Daylight!
"Well, these evil spirits are ready to prompt you. Do they prompt us? Yes, and I could put my hands on a dozen of them while I have been on this stand; they are here on the stand; Could we do without the devils? No, we could not get along without them. They are here, and they suggest this, that, and the other." Brigham Young, JoD, 3:369, June 22, 1856
* I have had many interviews with Brother Joseph until the last 15 or 20 years of my life; I have not see him for that length of time." JoD, 21:317-318, October 10, 1880, cf. JoD, 19:229
"Joseph Smith continued visiting myself and others up to a certain time, and then it stopped." -- Lds "apostle" Heber C. Kimball, Deseret Weekly News, 53:112, Temples of the Most High, 1896, p. 345
1870s: The Haunting of the St. George Lds Temple by the Supposed Signers of the Declaration of Independence!
Lds "prophet" Wilford Woodruff, before becoming the Mormon "prophet," served as president of the temple in St. George, Utah. It was in that temple that endowments for the dead were performed for the first time "in this dispensation" (see Doctrines of Salvation, 2:171). While serving there, President Woodruff was visited by the spirits of many eminent men who had died.
The spirits of the dead gathered around me, wanting to know why we did not redeem them. Said they, You have had the use of the Endowment House for a number of years, and yet nothing has ever been done for us. We laid the foundation of the government you now enjoy, and we remained true to it and were faithful to God. These were the signers of the Declaration of Independence [of the United States of America], and they waited on me for two days and two nights. I straightway went into the baptismal font and called upon Brother McAllister to baptize me for the signers of the Declaration of Independence, and fifty other eminent men, making one hundred in all, including John Wesley, Columbus, and others (The Discourses of Wilford Woodruff, sel. G. Homer Durham , 16061).
In a Mormon Sunday School lesson about this, they ask their learners:
What can we learn from these two stories? (Answers could include that those who are dead are anxious for us to perform ordinances for them and that we should be diligent in our efforts to redeem the dead.) (Lds Sunday School lesson from "Doctrine and Covenants and Church History," "The Hearts of the Children Shall Turn to Their Fathers," p. 3)
Source: LDS Sunday School Lesson
Your concern is misguided. I believe Jesus Christ is my Savior.
Living in a garage would not make you a car any more than being a mormon makes you a Christian.
mormonISM does not teach a belief in the Biblical Jesus, mormonISM does not teach a belief in the Biblical God.
satan lied to Eve - you to can be god
satan lied to Joseph Smith - you to can be god
Joseph Smith lied to everyone - you to can be god
What is there to be jealous about that?
And was that the First Name of the Church of Joseph Smith.
Answer No. for 8 years J.Smith had various names for his church.
So. tell us again why the present name means so much ?
(oh and by the way one of those names did not have the name of Jesus Christ in it either..)
Shot an UZI...!! Was great fun!! Shot a Barrett..50 cal BMG!! My gosh, that was great fun!!
Shot a M-16...and an FNC smg.....
The heck with itchy garments.......!!! : )
First of all, the Lds general authorities DO get a salary from the Lds church.
Secondly, bishops in the Lds church, while not getting a salary, somehow manage to accrue expense accounts and stipends that amounted for some to be $40,000 in the early 1990s. (What is it now? $60,000?)
And yes, that's a second "job" on top of their first. If somebody wants to reimburse my living expenses to the tune of up to $60,000 as a "second" job, let me know to where to "sign up."
It's not. If you click on #12 of the links, Huntsman's name comes up.
Can you tell me...why they aren't taking those BILLIONS and doing good works?
The arguments against Mormonism by true Christians go far beyond Tithing.
Starting with what you point out, the misuse of the Name of Jesus Christ. The “true name” of the church is its most offense part. Hence the use of the more appropriate term “Mormon”. Christ has nothing to do with Mormonism, to them it is just a marketing lable.
Can't see why that is an issue, until the PR campaign “we are Christians too” started 20 years ago, the Mormon wanted to be known as anything BUT Christian.
What? You mean you didn't donate it to GoodWill?
Man! It’s even way worse than that!!!
I am a Mormon, a full tithe paying Mormon and I had no idea how bad it is! Thanks for enlightening me on how bad my religion is!!! I would have never known!
I can defend everything the Son of God said.....
What does that tell you?
It should be an epiphany for you.
May your eyes be opened....
So, just ignore them.
As long as there are 52,000 mormon missionaries out there every day knocking on the doors of Christians and lying about the Gospel being removed from the earth and salvation only being thru mormonism, there will be threads on FR to rebut the millions of lies being spread through TV, radio and the internet about Joseph Smith's scam.
As for the rather common claim that there people are not payed..
do not set your self up to high.. My father was a Deacon in the Church of Christ (not lds) was not paid. He even fulfilled the Biblical requirements of the title unlike 12 year old boys of the lds.
See 1 Timothy 3:813 if you are confused by last statement.
Perhaps you didn’t read the parable of the talents?
We do spend billions on relief efforts. We also don’t bast our trumpets letting everyone know we are doing it. Locals will tell you in Haiti, in south America, in Japan...anywhere there is a disaster, our church is one of the first responders.