Skip to comments.Demon Flees after Six Long Years
Posted on 06/30/2011 6:02:26 PM PDT by wmfights
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I am shocked that a Pastor would say anything in the Bible is “just a story”. Guess I shouldn’t be, but I am.
You are right, though. And I have often thought that discounting the miraculous that we see - or crediting a doctor, science, medicine — is part of the reason we don’t see the miraculous for what it is. It’s there, but we don’t recognize it. Not to say that doctors and medicine and science aren’t part of God’s miracles, for I think they are. Not as dramatic, of course, but still.... In a land where demonic activity is strong because Satanic worship is strong, where visions and dreams are relied upon, God deals with people differently.
well,creation in 6 days?Only 2 people Adam and Eve?tower of babel?Great flood and all animals in the world on one boat?Giants?Earth only 7000 years old?Etc etc,,Stories?Or true?
a) It is irrefutably correct.
b) It is indeed 'Biblical'.
c) If it's correct and Biblical then it cannot be misleading.
yes, it's a good movie.
Fr. Lucas, the Jesuit exorcist is played excellently by Anthony Hopkins. When you need an exorcist, a lay person or a cleric can both drive out demons in the name of Christ, yet we read of St. Justin Martyr in his Second Apology written in the 1st/2nd century
Origen describes the exorcist laying hands on the possesed as does St. Ambrose and they mention that the simple sign of the Cross with the calling on the name of Christ has incredible power against the demons who cannot bear it
Then what did Christ expel? Did He lie? Are the Gospels lies?
To make a point of it, how do we know it was a demon? It never says in the article. How do we know that this is simply not another Casey Anthony?
I never said that they didn't have good medicine.
The fishy part of this article is that she was in physical torment yet did not seek physical (medical) aid. Methinks that the gullible on this thread are falling for a con job.
Then why didn't she consult a medical doctor? That'd be the first action that we would do.
Well, then they would have realized forthwith that pulling the heads off of 13 meerkats would have worked too.
I'll see your 13 meerkats and raise you five kiwis and a platypus.
Sukhra's torment robbed her entire family of peace.
Then why didn't she seek medical aid for physical torment? That's what you and I would do.
Maybe she is a US Senator?
That is why we have modern medicine. The patient does not have to have complete medical knowledge in order to seek help.
She went to magicians. Hardly arduous. Not medical doctors. If this was India, their medicine is as good as that in this country. Methinks that this is a fairy story that people here are falling for - line, hook and sinker.
“Then what did Christ expel? Did He lie? Are the Gospels lies?”
There are a lot of things that Christ did that you can’t do.
They sure do have a lot of priests that need to be exorcised. Probably part of the reason is the silly idea that they are God's true church.
But ... I was encouraged by the story. The main clue to me that this was describing actual events is that the pastor followed the guidelines in the epistles for dealing with satan.
It wasn't the usual "power of God at the hand of man" story about how some exorcist cast it out in the name of Jesus and then finished his coffee.
The pastor actually followed the guidelines given in the epistles via Eph. 6:10-18, 1 Peter 5:6-11, James 4:6-10.
I am more likely to believe these occurances if they are Biblical.
Since the story is not a blow-by-blow replay of her life, one can only assume that she probably did. It certainly would have been one of the options considered.
I never said I was Him, nor did I claim His powers.
So, that Red Herring is gone.
With that taken care of, let's get back to the original question then (unless you want to throw the train off the track again and talk about foot fungus or something).
Did Christ, or did He not, expel many demons on multiple occasions in the Gospel accounts?
The answer is "yes" - and that is evidence that demons are real, and they exist. The four Gospel accounts are the most significant historical documents in all of human history.
Since there really aren't any details included, any serious reader without a hysterical agenda could only reasonably conclude that this is a fairy story told to evangelicals' children as a bedtime story.
There is not enough evidence in the world that can convince a person who will not believe.
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. (2 Timothy 4:3)
Great stories — and all true!
You've met Nancy Pelosi?
Because faith comes by hearing. Are miracles, signs and wonders, and the power of God by the Holy Spirit still being taught in America's churches? We are a technological and skeptical nation. This has crept into the churches.
Jesus Himself could do no miracles when he came back to Nazareth because of their unbelief. How can we expect to do better than Him when there is little faith?
Too broad a brush. It shows how there are those who don’t believe in spite of seeing how many were healed. No one can reach that mindset, so they live in their misery.
There are many many who believe today but too many have unbelief. They know/believe God heals but ‘will he do it for me’ mindset.
Mark 9:23 “’If you can’?” said Jesus. “Everything is possible for him who believes.”
Mark 9:24 “Immediately the boy’s father exclaimed, “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!”
Why did you add 'physical'? Where does it say that?
What other kind is there? Torment manifests itself physically. Therefore one who is rational seeks to diagnose it from there, not consult with magicians.
And, besides if she did, what could they find with tests/exrays - nothing. They would tell her it's all in her head.
So if she went the medical route, she'd be drugged up right now - their answer for everything.
It does not say that she went the medical route at all. It says that went to magicians. However, it's a fairy story anyway. You guys remind me of the MSM reporting - the statements along the lines that it's fake, but accurate.
An excellent point!
Lol. Not quite.
“So, that Red Herring is gone.”
It’s not a Red Herring. Christ did many things that men today cannot do.
Nobody has never seen/exorcized a demon, nor do demons exist, except as a proxy to excuse bad behavior. It’s guilty people claiming they are victims. They are a lie that many supposed Christians use to scare and trick gullible children and young adults. I’ve seen that first hand.
Demon theologists are for the most part simply bad people who use demon theology as a trick to fool those who want to believe, or those who are completely fooled. It’s fake, just like speaking in tongues - though just like demons, many will swear by them.
Christ did many things that people today cannot do. That doesn’t disprove any Gospel.
So you deny the existence of evil?
Mark, using Scripture wrongly to SUIT YOUR OWN agenda I see. What part of the below is not sound doctrine? It's a command! HIS CHURCH knows this...
Matt 10:7 As you go, preach this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.'
Yes, He gave the commands to the Apostles. And let us see what He actually meant.
http://www.ocarm.org/en/content/lectio/lectio-saint-barnabas-apostle-mt-10-7-13 speaks to just this verse.
Matthew 10, 7: The announcement that the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. Jesus invites the disciples to announce the Good News. They should say: The Kingdom of Heaven is close at hand! What does it mean that the Kingdom is close at hand? It does not mean the closeness of time, in the sense that it suffices to wait for a short time and then the Kingdom will come. The Kingdom is close at hand means that it is already within reach of the people, it is already in your midst (Lk 17, 21).
When you act as your own Pope but bereft of the Church, why then any interpretation that one can come up while chasing the dragon.
Matt 10:8 "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received, freely give".
The Lectio says:
Matthew 10, 8: To cure, to raise, to purify, to drive out. The sick, the dead, the lepers, the possessed, were the excluded from living together with others, and they were excluded in the name of God. They could not participate in the life of the community. Jesus orders to accept these persons, to include them. The Kingdom of God becomes present in these gestures of acceptance and including them. In these gestures of human gratuity is shown Gods gratuitous love which reconstructs the human living together and mends interpersonal relationships.
Bereft of the Church, one enjoys the increasing multiplicity of geometrically increasing interpretations of Scripture. Have a nice big bowl of YOPIOS.
So it seems. Yet where would you go? Like this girl - to a magician? Or to a medical doctor? Never mind the sideswipes about drugs, this time. Where would you go?
Torment manifests itself physically. Therefore one who is rational seeks to diagnose it from there, not consult with magicians.
Says who? Does Jared, who shot the senator, have a physical condition or diagnosed with a mental condition? He's being drugged up for what? A hangnail?
If you think that he is possessed, say so, instead of hinting around. Now, if he is possessed, it is up to your Christian duty to rid him of that demon. Saddle up, buttercup and ride the range and rid this yoyo of his demon.
However, it's a fairy story anyway. You guys remind me of the MSM reporting - the statements along the lines that it's fake, but accurate.
Healing is a fairy tale? We are commanded to go heal from God's Word...and it's a fair tale to a man made doctrine believer - not surprised.
This story is a fairy tale, made up completely and tailoring to gullible evangelicals who lap this stuff up. There are no real details or timelines or locations or anything. You back up the story? You prove it or admit that you are lapping this up too.
I do not, any more than I deny the gullibility of evangelicals who are just eating this stuff up without any details whatsoever.
You think it's true? Pony up some details.
I'm out. Too steep for me, and besides, I'm broke. I may have to eat my kiwis and platypus next week.
Ah. Platypus tail shish kebabs with onion and bell pepper slices marinated in a garlic, soy and Guinness sauce is very tasty!!!!
My position is to take things at face value, until it can be shown otherwise. I did not believe the girl to be actually possessed, but spiritual oppression is very common in societies worldwide. The purpose of oppression is to cause as many to turn away from God.
The less godly the society, the more common it becomes.
In that case, I would like to sell you snake oil, the Brooklyn Bridge and the mineral rights to Harmonium across the entire USA.
The less godly the society, the more common it becomes.
If by common, you mean returning to our animal natures such as exemplified by the inner city gangs, then I agree.
Are you really an Engineer?
I am an Aerospace Enginneer. If you are an Engineer, how the hell did you make it through college?
Logic escapes you.
Here is where you are: you deny God. That is Step 1.
Why you deny Him is known only to you, but Billions of people suffer from this.
Step 2: Come to Him.
He is here, and He is crazy about you....despite all of your shortcomings.
On the flip side, Satan and evil exist. In spades.
Demons are real, and so is Lucifer. And....you don't want to mess with them without God on your side.
Trust me on that one.
“I am an Aerospace Enginneer. If you are an Engineer, how the hell did you make it through college?”
THAT is a Red Herring.
Sir, the Bible is very clear that there are agents in this world that are working quite contrary to the word of and spirit of God and they are all not human.
You need to meet my ex wife.
The Bible is also very clear that there are liars and false prophets of all kinds who want your soul. When you believe in fairy stories, you are giving up your soul to another power. Are you sure that you want to do that?