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Evolution Controversy Reignites Among Evangelical Christians
PR News Wire ^ | June 21, 2011 | N/A

Posted on 07/04/2011 10:00:42 PM PDT by TheDingoAteMyBaby

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To: Persevero
Actually the planet earth existed on day one. Gen 1:2 speaks of the Spirit of the Lord hovering over the surface of the deep. So the planet earth was there, but it was covered entirely in water. The earth mentioned in Day 3 is actually land or dry ground.

JM
61 posted on 07/06/2011 8:41:53 AM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: Kansas58
"Yes, the Bible is INSPIRED but it is not perfect."

If the Bible is not perfect, what measure do you use to determine which parts are not perfect? How do you decide one passage is perfect or truthful and another is not?

JM
62 posted on 07/06/2011 8:46:22 AM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: WhatsItAllAbout
"The big question I have for you is, why would God create the universe with the appearance of old age? Who is he trying to fool?"

I dont understand why this seems to be a sticking point. If God could create a mature man in Adam, why not a mature universe? There is no trickery here.

If God wanted to create a being to fellowship with, why would He wait billions of years for this man to show up on the scene. Would it not be easier to create the man fully formed in a fully formed and inhabitable universe?

JM
63 posted on 07/06/2011 8:51:27 AM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: JohnnyM

“the Spirit of the Lord hovering over the surface of the deep”

Perhaps; but was was the deep? I thought it was perhaps deep space or something; not necessarily water over earth.

I don’t claim to know exactly what the deep is, so I’m not arguing with you. I’m just saying “the deep” doesn’t certainly mean there was a planet Earth at the time.


64 posted on 07/06/2011 10:36:54 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: JohnnyM

Start with the fact that everyone who reads the Bible interprets it a bit differently.

Then move on to the fact that we have so many, different, Christian denominations.

Why, if the meaning is so darn clear?

Then, ask yourself where the Bible EVER refers to the “Bible” -— it does not because it can’t, as no human who wrote the original words, in any Book, ever foresaw that Book being combined with OTHER Books, in any such fashion as the “Bible”.

The Bible is a tool.

The Bible is NOT an Idol to be worshiped.


65 posted on 07/06/2011 6:20:31 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Persevero
You take yourself far too seriously, to say that my soul is in danger for not sharing your same view of the Bible.

The Eastern Orthodox Church does not see eye to eye on a few Scriptures, and they split from Rome long ago. Their differences with Rome seem trivial, by today's standards. The Orthodox and the Catholics are pretty close on most issues.

Martin Luther tried to take two Books OUT of the King James, Protestant version of the Bible.

Why? If the Bible is “Perfect” why would the very leader of the Protestant movement want to change the King James version?

And of course, Maccabees was removed from the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox versions of the original Bible, even though many of the Books that were removed from the original Bible had been scriptures available to Jesus in the Temple. Jesus never told us to remove those Scriptures, did He?

Again, you take yourself far too seriously.

God will laugh at all of us for such trivial, silly arguments.

66 posted on 07/06/2011 6:26:10 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

“You take yourself far too seriously, to say that my soul is in danger for not sharing your same view of the Bible.”

Well, you told me twice that God would laugh at me.


67 posted on 07/06/2011 6:27:32 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Kansas58

And of course, if I was not clear, the King James Version of the Bible removed Books that are contained in the original versions of the Bible, still used by Catholics and the Orthodox.


68 posted on 07/06/2011 6:28:27 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

Oh, missed the end of your last post; three times.


69 posted on 07/06/2011 6:28:27 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Kansas58

“Why? If the Bible is “Perfect” why would the very leader of the Protestant movement want to change the King James version?”

I am not sure that Luther is ‘the” leader of the Protestant movement.

I think, because I guess you are a Roman Catholic, that you look for one leader (like a Pope).

There are many leaders of the Protestant movement. Luther certainly is one, but so is Wycliff, most definitely, and Zwingli, and Calvin of course, and Knox. Cromwell was certainly a leader, David Livingstone, really I could go on for a long time.

I don’t look to them for everything. I say they are leaders because historically they were part of great turning points in church history, helping certain heresies get thrown out or doing extraordinary missionary work or overthrowing great tyrants of the church.

Anyway, Luther made errors. His apparent hatred of the Jews is one. His desire to take two books out of the Bible was another. Where he errs, I will not follow. I put no man on a pedastal, I hope, except Jesus Himself.


70 posted on 07/06/2011 6:33:30 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero
I don’t claim to know exactly what the deep is, so I’m not arguing with you. I’m just saying “the deep” doesn’t certainly mean there was a planet Earth at the time. If a person pays close attention and believes what he reads, one should conclude that this is not the flood of Noah's time...

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth,which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

It's pretty clear that at some point, there was a different set of heavens than now exists...This couldn't have been Noah's flood...

71 posted on 07/06/2011 10:52:16 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Kansas58
"Start with the fact that everyone who reads the Bible interprets it a bit differently"

We are talking about inerrancy and not interpretation.

You can believe the Bible is inerrant and still have a different interpretation. You claim that the Bible is not inerrant, partly due to the fact that is was written by different men over the course of thousands of years.

So my question remains: How do you determine which parts of the Bible are truthful or inerrant and which are not? How do you know the resurrection was true or the parting of the Red Sea or walking on water, since all these accounts were written by men?

JM
72 posted on 07/07/2011 6:47:44 AM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: Iscool; MarkBsnr; lightman
It's pretty clear that at some point, there was a different set of heavens than now exists..

And a different race of beings? God's previous experiment number 41?

73 posted on 07/08/2011 1:29:04 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: WhatsItAllAbout
No one can make me believe God created the Universe on a whim in a weeks time. God exists outside of time and space, and only uses the terms like day so that even a child can understand his intentions, not necessarily his methods.

Open your eyes look up, and see the starlight from billions of years ago, and believe God created it, and he isn't trying to fool us into believing in an old universe, it is an old universe not some recent magical place that appeared 6,000-10,000 years ago.

You make perfect sense. Acknowledging the amazing vastness of the real universe is more truthful and spiritual than all the vain attempts to shrink reality into some small box of mindless myth and superstition.

74 posted on 07/08/2011 1:53:58 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: Cronos
And a different race of beings? God's previous experiment number 41?

I don't get much into that...I do know what the scriptures say...

I just let the scientists do the research...They've dug up old bones of creatures they claim are human but can't make the DNA connection to any of us...

How many times did Genesis tell us that God made his new creation after its own kind???

75 posted on 07/08/2011 2:56:18 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
I just let the scientists do the research...They've dug up old bones of creatures they claim are human but can't make the DNA connection to any of us

So, God didn't create the world in 6 days?

76 posted on 07/08/2011 3:02:14 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Iscool

your gap theory fails as it denies Romans 5 which say that death came into the world THROUGH ADAM. If there were millions of years before Adam, what happened? Did those creatures die?


77 posted on 07/08/2011 3:09:45 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Iscool
your gap theory fails incredibly because it denies the entire purpose of the Cross

If there was death before Adam's sin, your theory denies both that sin & death entered through Adam's sin and the purpose of Christ's sacrifice

78 posted on 07/08/2011 3:18:09 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos
your gap theory fails as it denies Romans 5 which say that death came into the world THROUGH ADAM. If there were millions of years before Adam, what happened? Did those creatures die?

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

New heavens...New earth...Judgment of ungodly men...

Cronos, you take a stab at a few verses and then go off into a tirade that has nothing in it but insults, void of any biblical reference...

Romans 5 has nothing to do with what might have been before Gen. 1:2...

79 posted on 07/08/2011 4:14:58 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Cronos
If there was death before Adam's sin, your theory denies both that sin & death entered through Adam's sin and the purpose of Christ's sacrifice

I find your logic to be illogical...

80 posted on 07/08/2011 4:17:13 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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