Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

When a gay minister moved to a small Southern town (Presbyterian)
Courier Journal ^ | 5 July 2011 | Brett Webb-Mitchel

Posted on 07/05/2011 3:59:07 AM PDT by Cronos

As an out Presbyterian preacher, I'd experienced prejudice before. But nothing like what I faced in North Carolina

I was reading "Home in Henderson" -- the unofficial city website for a small town in North Carolina where I had recently moved to preach -- when I came across the blog entry. It was posted under the pseudonym "Church Reporter."

"A friend that attends the First Presbyterian Church told me to do a Google search on their new minister Brett Webb-Mitchell," the entry began. "Having done so, I have only three comments to make on the pastor selection: 1. Who is responsible for this mess? 2. The old biblical saying (the Lord works in mysterious ways) must be true in this case. 3. Someone needs to appoint a new membership search committee, because I hear the church membership numbers are dropping."

I sat at my computer, stunned.

As a gay minister, I'd heard nasty slights about me secondhand before, but I had never encountered it so directly. How could someone who didn't even know me criticize me? How could someone who called himself or herself a Christian spew such vile rhetoric? I was sad and angry and incredulous at once. This was a cheap, hateful shot.

(Excerpt) Read more at salon.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: complainer; dixie; homosexualagenda; homosexualclergy; lesbyterian; lesbyterianchurch; lesbyterianism; mentalillness; narcissism; northcarolina; paganchurchusa; pcusa; presbyterian; religiousleft; salon; schism; sodomy; whine; whiner; whiney; whining
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-127 next last
Note:In 2009, the Presbyterian USA denomination fell below half its peak membership of 4.25 million in the mid-1960s.
1 posted on 07/05/2011 3:59:10 AM PDT by Cronos
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Cronos

Is Romans I not in this guy’s Bible?


2 posted on 07/05/2011 4:08:02 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cronos

This guy proclaims himself a homosexual. That automatically disqualifies him from pastorship even thought the denomination wants to pretend it doesn’t.


3 posted on 07/05/2011 4:11:53 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cronos

Hard to hold a preacher in high esteem when he leads an immoral life.


4 posted on 07/05/2011 4:20:01 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Happy Birthday America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cronos
What a bunch of self-centered, whining navel gazing. This guy is not suited to be a minister, and him being gay is near the bottom of the list of reasons why. I have never heard a minister whine like this before. Did some people make nasty comments and jokes about him being gay? Yes. Is that right? No. But if this fool can't deal with church members confronting him openly about their view that homosexuality is a sin, then he needs to find a new profession. This is “gay entitlement” writ large. A gay man living with a partner and kids comes to a small Southern town and expects to be welcomed with open arms. He gets some nasty comments and resistance and they runs away crying about how “nasty” and “vicious” everyone is. What a baby.
5 posted on 07/05/2011 4:20:52 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cronos

How could someone that claims to be a Christian minister be a an open and obviously unrepentant pervert? That sir is the real question that needs answered......


6 posted on 07/05/2011 4:25:49 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeaHawkFan

This is sad. This is why I choose to worship at a Bible believing, fundamental, evangelical Baptist Church. I often hear criticism from people saying this Baptists think they are the only ones going to Heaven. You can’t just cherry pick the portions of the Bible you want. The fundamentals of the Faith are just that. They are the foundation of Christianity. We are never saved because we belong to a club or congregation. It is simpler than that. We are saved if we ask Jesus to forgive us. He alone could pay the penalty for sin. He alone showed us what Love is. At the very least I could pay some respect and believe what He chose to reveal to us.


7 posted on 07/05/2011 4:30:25 AM PDT by st.eqed
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Cronos

This was a cheap, hateful shot:

Actually, this is about as mild a rebuke as one could possibly imagine.

This is so wrong on so many levels, it’s impossible to address all of the idiocy. But certainly one problem here is the utter wimpishness that has overtaken American discourse in the public sphere. Then again, the complainer is a homo, so what can one expect?


8 posted on 07/05/2011 4:35:36 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cronos

Perverts have no business being in ministry.


9 posted on 07/05/2011 4:37:19 AM PDT by thethirddegree
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cronos

The parish seems to have reacted properly to a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

This “gay” minister should have come out of its closet before it applied for or accepted the appointment. Also, It ought to use the term “homosexual” and not hidden behind the euphemism “gay”.

The parish should have been advised in advance of ever meeting with this preacher not only that it was a homosexual but whether it preferred the male (penetrating) role, the female (penetrated) role, whether it just like to cuddle and suck, whether his sexual deviancy extended to children and/or animals, and whether it had any related criminal record.


10 posted on 07/05/2011 4:39:36 AM PDT by Mobties (Reduce the government footprint! Let the markets work!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cronos

Thank God for the Roman Catholic Church.


11 posted on 07/05/2011 4:39:54 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jacknhoo

Why? They don’t cover for perverts?


12 posted on 07/05/2011 4:43:35 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: jacknhoo

Excuse me? What do you think those priests were doing to those little boys all those years?


13 posted on 07/05/2011 4:44:50 AM PDT by Portcall24
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Cronos

This guy is a disgusting human being. Glad folks in this small town realized this.


14 posted on 07/05/2011 4:46:28 AM PDT by ohioman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cronos
When a gay minister moved to a small Southern town (Presbyterian)

WTH did he expect, a pink parade? People in some parts of the USA, dwindling as they may be, still have core beliefs and values that don't comport with the fashionable way of thought.

15 posted on 07/05/2011 4:46:33 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Portcall24
Excuse me? What do you think those priests were doing to those little boys all those years?

Your point's valid, but how about "some" vs. "those?" Not all were drooling perverts.

16 posted on 07/05/2011 4:48:10 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: ScottinVA

I completely agree.


17 posted on 07/05/2011 4:49:45 AM PDT by Portcall24
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Cronos

I think the problem is when anyone confuses what is the TRUTH of the Gospel for real hatred-as so much happens in the eyes of liberals these days..

Especially in small town North Carolina did this guy really expect that the people there would “accept” his lifestyle? Especially when many of them (I would guess) know the Bible better than this “minister”!?


18 posted on 07/05/2011 4:53:08 AM PDT by JSDude1 (December 18, 2010 the Day the radical homosexual left declared WAR on the US Military.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jacknhoo
Thank God for the Roman Catholic Church.

Seems to m,e and the media, and the courts, and the Vatican....the catholic church has a far more serious problem as this homosexual agenda has been incubating and growing in the catholic church for years.

So I wouldn't hardly put the catholic church anywhere's near the top of the food chain in that respect.

19 posted on 07/05/2011 4:54:13 AM PDT by caww
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Portcall24




"Excuse me? What do you think those priests were doing to those little boys all those years?"



The Roman Catholic Church has NEVER accepted homosexuality and it never will. If you're ignorant enough to believe practicing homosexuals have some kind of moral boundary they won't cross to get close to young boys, then that is your shortcoming. Evil knows no religious, political, cultural, or geographical boundary.


If you believe homosexuality is just fine, because some heretics permeated the clergy of some churches, then that is your shortcoming. The Roman Catholic Church has NEVER accepted homosexuality nor any perversion of sexual relations and it never will.



20 posted on 07/05/2011 4:58:34 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Cronos

What did this fudge packer expect?


21 posted on 07/05/2011 5:13:39 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cronos

>>> As an out Presbyterian preacher, I’d experienced prejudice before. But nothing like what I faced in North Carolina

Not exactly the stuff of missionaries or martyrs is he. As long as nobody was firebombing his home, sticks and stones.

Had he toughed it out and treated people with kindness and respect regardless of what they said to him, he might have persuaded his congregation. Whining won’t get him far.


22 posted on 07/05/2011 5:16:10 AM PDT by tlb
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Mobties

“Also, It ought to use the term ‘homosexual’ “

Sodomite.


23 posted on 07/05/2011 5:17:07 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: st.eqed

yes, as I pointed out in post 1, the Presbyterian in the USA denomination has more than halved from it’s max 4.25 mil in the 60s. And it has lost 3% membership each year for the past 3-4 years and is now 2 million


24 posted on 07/05/2011 5:17:13 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: tlb

I agree. Compared to the barbs one can experience on FR, those were mild “no-nos”


25 posted on 07/05/2011 5:23:01 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Opinionated Blowhard

His whinging over slights is hilarious! What a coward. I’d like to see what would happen if we dropped a soapbox preacher into the Castro section of San Francisco. He’d probably be lynched.


26 posted on 07/05/2011 5:23:01 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Cronos

What a great point! I’ve been called every name in the book on FR! All part of the conversation.


27 posted on 07/05/2011 5:25:11 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Cronos
From the article: "Another post by "Bobbi" listed a long line of Scriptural references that have nothing to do with our modern understanding of sexuality, ending with this declarative statement: 'If the homosexual community chooses to practice homosexuality in privacy, that is their free choice ... but they will be deemed unfit for the kingdom of heaven.'"

I have studied the Bible extensively, in English, Greek, and Hebrew/Aramaic, and I have yet to find a passage that upon reflection has nothing to do with modern life. Scripture on sexual immorality is not merely connected to modern life, but central, and anyone who can't accept that basic truth has no business in the pulpit.

Also from the article: "When the Session of First Presbyterian Church in Henderson, N.C., called me to be their interim pastor in August 2008, I didn't tell them I was gay . . . not feeling the need to confess to everyone in the world about my sexual orientation for a contract job, I never mentioned my partner and two children. (After all, I reasoned, straight members wouldn't feel the need to explain their family.)"

There is a difference between failing to mention aspects of your personal life that are consistent with the Bible's teaching and failing to mention that you are openly violating God's Word. Apparently, this self-centered activist chooses to ignore that inconvenient truth. A straight member who was openly living an adulterous life had better feel the need to explain, and it would take quite a justification to gloss over the Bible's injunctions against sexual immorality. It is disingenuous for this author to pretend otherwise.

28 posted on 07/05/2011 5:37:31 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pollster1
What struck me was for a contract job -- this is a calling, a vocation, not just a job.
29 posted on 07/05/2011 5:48:47 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Cronos
How could someone who didn't even know me criticize me? How could someone who called himself or herself a Christian spew such vile rhetoric?

1) You don't know the guy who criticized you, and yet you criticize him back? Hypocrite? 2) I did not see anything "vile" in the criticism. What was vile?

30 posted on 07/05/2011 6:20:50 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cronos

The minister is pretty thin-skinned. Didn’t see anything particularly “vile” those comments.


31 posted on 07/05/2011 6:21:33 AM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cronos

They WANT the membership to fall. They want to chase away Christians. Then a small band of homosexuals at the top will own all the church property and investments. They will pay themselves huge salaries and play dressup in all the robes.

Can’t people see this? It’s deliberate provocation -— causing the real Christians to leave and go hold services in some storefront in a strip mall when a judge decides that the property all belongs to the ‘leadership’ which will be liberal, leftist and homosexual, just as in the Episcopal church.

And the Presbyterian church has a great many truly beautiful churches. They’ll own it all.

So they send a homosexual priest and his partner and their unfortunate children to deliberately provoke and chase away a southern congregation.

It’s a two-fer. They get to portray themselves as victims of the evil redneck homophobes and eventually they will own all the property. They’ll make headlines, always a plus for narcissists.

I see this is starting to happen in the church I attend -— Methodist. I wish people would wake up.


32 posted on 07/05/2011 6:27:30 AM PDT by squarebarb
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cronos
What struck me was for a contract job -- this is a calling, a vocation, not just a job.

Many things struck me. This guy may deliver a fabulous sermon, or maybe not, but he doesn't seem to take God seriously in his writing or in his life. It's sad that he missed out on God's message, and sadder still that he thinks it's okay to take a mercenary perspective on ministry work.

33 posted on 07/05/2011 6:27:39 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Cronos
Did you read this at the bottom of article!

"In closing, I remember the Apostle Paul, who reminds me that nothing can separate me from the love of God. (Pairing Nietzsche and the Apostle Paul might seem an odd combination, but so be it.) I saw ugliness in Henderson, sure, but I also found love and support and new understanding. As one member of the church said: "He may be gay, but he knows how to preach the Gospel."

He openly practices what is forbidden in scripture.

Notice his pairing of Nietzsche and the Apostle Paul " might" seem an odd combo. Then he puts "so be it." Which you might glance over without thinking. But the word Amen = So Be It. Nietzsche was anti-God. What a combo. He is picking and choosing what fits for him not God. Who is always willing to forgive to a repentance of soul on earth. This is not true repentance.

Just wacky!

34 posted on 07/05/2011 6:30:27 AM PDT by johngrace
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cronos
In 2009, the Presbyterian USA denomination fell below half its peak membership of 4.25 million in the mid-1960s.

So why did you tag it 'Presbyterian' instead of PCUSA?

35 posted on 07/05/2011 6:30:54 AM PDT by PAR35
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jacknhoo
Thank God for the Roman Catholic Church.

Because there are no perverts there ...

< / sarc off>

36 posted on 07/05/2011 6:40:16 AM PDT by dartuser ("Dealing with preterists is like cleaning the litter box ... but at least none of the cats are big.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: squarebarb
They WANT the membership to fall. They want to chase away Christians. Then a small band of homosexuals at the top will own all the church property and investments. They will pay themselves huge salaries and play dressup in all the robes.

But then the money eventually runs out...

37 posted on 07/05/2011 6:42:58 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: squarebarb
Can’t people see this? It’s deliberate provocation -— causing the real Christians to leave and go hold services in some storefront in a strip mall when a judge decides that the property all belongs to the ‘leadership’ which will be liberal, leftist and homosexual

people can, but most of us just slink away and say 'ok, you can have it', instead of fighting for our churches.

38 posted on 07/05/2011 6:43:50 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: PAR35

I tagged it both presbyterian and pcusa — the pcusa, as 80% of presbyterians would unfortunately be classified as such.


39 posted on 07/05/2011 6:45:52 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: anyone

Practically speaking, his sexual orientation aside, it sounds like this particular minister simply doesn’t like the horrors of small town life, where you can’t live anonymously and where there just isn’t that much excitement, and he wants to be transferred to a more urban or suburban assignment.


40 posted on 07/05/2011 6:56:44 AM PDT by Coyote Choir
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: st.eqed
I often hear criticism from people saying this Baptists think they are the only ones going to Heaven.,

That reminds me of an old joke about that. Baptist preacher introduces himself as the new pastor at the local baptist church to which the person inquires, "is that the narrow-minded demonination that thinks they're the only group going to heaven?" The preacher replies, "Oh it's worse than that; I don't even think most baptists are going to heaven."

41 posted on 07/05/2011 6:58:15 AM PDT by VRWCmember
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Portcall24

Sodomites love to corrupt institutions. The RC should have been more vigilant and should purge every last sodomite immediately. I would add, however, that if you are going in this direction vis a vis the RC, you ought to be far more concerned about children in government schools, where the problem of molestation has been estimated by a researcher at Hofstra as being two orders of magnitude worse than the RC problem.

Are you warning parents or people on FR about government schools?


42 posted on 07/05/2011 7:01:51 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Opinionated Blowhard

Typical sodomite narcisism. BTW, the comments at Salon show how violently the sodomites hate Christians and the Bible.


43 posted on 07/05/2011 7:03:31 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: dartuser

The Catholic Church has its own problems and problem people. The difference is that problems don’t become doctrinal reversals. Homosexuality will be accepted by more and more Protestant denominations. It is inevitable. That just will never happen with the Catholic Church.


44 posted on 07/05/2011 7:05:10 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Sweden - one of the next Muslim countries)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: ViLaLuz

There is no need to “get to know” a fetishist like that.

you don’t need to know an animal sex practitioner to know they have a characteristic that makes them unacceptable as a friend or neighbor.

this “pastors” fetish is no different. He should stick to the ghetto that is all of san francisco.


45 posted on 07/05/2011 7:07:52 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: johngrace

good catch — Nietsche and Paul in the same breath!


46 posted on 07/05/2011 7:07:59 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Cronos

I agree imliedly with those Christians who have declared when this individual identifies himself as homosexual he has disqualified himself as a Christian. The two systems are mutually exclusive. One can claim the name of Christ and continue in sin but the conviction of their behavior is their rebellion against God. The message of Scripture from Genesis chapter 1 through to the last words of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is what this so called gay minister would call good the Holy Bible calls wicked, and sin, and abomination(even worthy of death) ,unnatural ,etc.I can only conclude either the men who wrote- or translated from the original text misunderstood the Bible —or this reprobate has misunderstood whatever Bible he uses is —he does not understand the meaning of the terms used. And I could NOT follow where he would lead.


47 posted on 07/05/2011 7:15:12 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cronos

He is director of a religious non-profit, School of the Pilgrim, and his memoir, “Divinity,” is due for publication in the near future. Brett, his partner, Brett’s children, and their dogs, all make their home in Chapel Hill, North Carolina.

==

A homosexual author, in a homosexual source, salon, pushing a pro-homosexual agenda.

— — - —

this author, with sarcasm, proves why homosexuals should not be allowed around children.


48 posted on 07/05/2011 7:19:05 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: achilles2000
the comments at Salon show how violently the sodomites hate Christians and the Bible.

True.

49 posted on 07/05/2011 7:22:16 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Cronos

How could someone who didn’t even know me criticize me?


Well, they know he is a gay minister and that is all they need to know.


50 posted on 07/05/2011 7:23:51 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( getting closer to the truth.................)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-127 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson