Skip to comments.When a gay minister moved to a small Southern town (Presbyterian)
Posted on 07/05/2011 3:59:07 AM PDT by Cronos
As an out Presbyterian preacher, I'd experienced prejudice before. But nothing like what I faced in North Carolina
I was reading "Home in Henderson" -- the unofficial city website for a small town in North Carolina where I had recently moved to preach -- when I came across the blog entry. It was posted under the pseudonym "Church Reporter."
"A friend that attends the First Presbyterian Church told me to do a Google search on their new minister Brett Webb-Mitchell," the entry began. "Having done so, I have only three comments to make on the pastor selection: 1. Who is responsible for this mess? 2. The old biblical saying (the Lord works in mysterious ways) must be true in this case. 3. Someone needs to appoint a new membership search committee, because I hear the church membership numbers are dropping."
I sat at my computer, stunned.
As a gay minister, I'd heard nasty slights about me secondhand before, but I had never encountered it so directly. How could someone who didn't even know me criticize me? How could someone who called himself or herself a Christian spew such vile rhetoric? I was sad and angry and incredulous at once. This was a cheap, hateful shot.
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Is Romans I not in this guy’s Bible?
This guy proclaims himself a homosexual. That automatically disqualifies him from pastorship even thought the denomination wants to pretend it doesn’t.
Hard to hold a preacher in high esteem when he leads an immoral life.
How could someone that claims to be a Christian minister be a an open and obviously unrepentant pervert? That sir is the real question that needs answered......
This is sad. This is why I choose to worship at a Bible believing, fundamental, evangelical Baptist Church. I often hear criticism from people saying this Baptists think they are the only ones going to Heaven. You can’t just cherry pick the portions of the Bible you want. The fundamentals of the Faith are just that. They are the foundation of Christianity. We are never saved because we belong to a club or congregation. It is simpler than that. We are saved if we ask Jesus to forgive us. He alone could pay the penalty for sin. He alone showed us what Love is. At the very least I could pay some respect and believe what He chose to reveal to us.
This was a cheap, hateful shot:
Actually, this is about as mild a rebuke as one could possibly imagine.
This is so wrong on so many levels, it’s impossible to address all of the idiocy. But certainly one problem here is the utter wimpishness that has overtaken American discourse in the public sphere. Then again, the complainer is a homo, so what can one expect?
Perverts have no business being in ministry.
The parish seems to have reacted properly to a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
This “gay” minister should have come out of its closet before it applied for or accepted the appointment. Also, It ought to use the term “homosexual” and not hidden behind the euphemism “gay”.
The parish should have been advised in advance of ever meeting with this preacher not only that it was a homosexual but whether it preferred the male (penetrating) role, the female (penetrated) role, whether it just like to cuddle and suck, whether his sexual deviancy extended to children and/or animals, and whether it had any related criminal record.
Thank God for the Roman Catholic Church.
Why? They don’t cover for perverts?
Excuse me? What do you think those priests were doing to those little boys all those years?
This guy is a disgusting human being. Glad folks in this small town realized this.
WTH did he expect, a pink parade? People in some parts of the USA, dwindling as they may be, still have core beliefs and values that don't comport with the fashionable way of thought.
Your point's valid, but how about "some" vs. "those?" Not all were drooling perverts.
I completely agree.
I think the problem is when anyone confuses what is the TRUTH of the Gospel for real hatred-as so much happens in the eyes of liberals these days..
Especially in small town North Carolina did this guy really expect that the people there would “accept” his lifestyle? Especially when many of them (I would guess) know the Bible better than this “minister”!?
Seems to m,e and the media, and the courts, and the Vatican....the catholic church has a far more serious problem as this homosexual agenda has been incubating and growing in the catholic church for years.
So I wouldn't hardly put the catholic church anywhere's near the top of the food chain in that respect.
What did this fudge packer expect?
>>> As an out Presbyterian preacher, I’d experienced prejudice before. But nothing like what I faced in North Carolina
Not exactly the stuff of missionaries or martyrs is he. As long as nobody was firebombing his home, sticks and stones.
Had he toughed it out and treated people with kindness and respect regardless of what they said to him, he might have persuaded his congregation. Whining won’t get him far.
“Also, It ought to use the term ‘homosexual’ “
yes, as I pointed out in post 1, the Presbyterian in the USA denomination has more than halved from it’s max 4.25 mil in the 60s. And it has lost 3% membership each year for the past 3-4 years and is now 2 million
I agree. Compared to the barbs one can experience on FR, those were mild “no-nos”
His whinging over slights is hilarious! What a coward. I’d like to see what would happen if we dropped a soapbox preacher into the Castro section of San Francisco. He’d probably be lynched.
What a great point! I’ve been called every name in the book on FR! All part of the conversation.
I have studied the Bible extensively, in English, Greek, and Hebrew/Aramaic, and I have yet to find a passage that upon reflection has nothing to do with modern life. Scripture on sexual immorality is not merely connected to modern life, but central, and anyone who can't accept that basic truth has no business in the pulpit.
Also from the article: "When the Session of First Presbyterian Church in Henderson, N.C., called me to be their interim pastor in August 2008, I didn't tell them I was gay . . . not feeling the need to confess to everyone in the world about my sexual orientation for a contract job, I never mentioned my partner and two children. (After all, I reasoned, straight members wouldn't feel the need to explain their family.)"
There is a difference between failing to mention aspects of your personal life that are consistent with the Bible's teaching and failing to mention that you are openly violating God's Word. Apparently, this self-centered activist chooses to ignore that inconvenient truth. A straight member who was openly living an adulterous life had better feel the need to explain, and it would take quite a justification to gloss over the Bible's injunctions against sexual immorality. It is disingenuous for this author to pretend otherwise.
1) You don't know the guy who criticized you, and yet you criticize him back? Hypocrite? 2) I did not see anything "vile" in the criticism. What was vile?
The minister is pretty thin-skinned. Didn’t see anything particularly “vile” those comments.
They WANT the membership to fall. They want to chase away Christians. Then a small band of homosexuals at the top will own all the church property and investments. They will pay themselves huge salaries and play dressup in all the robes.
Can’t people see this? It’s deliberate provocation -— causing the real Christians to leave and go hold services in some storefront in a strip mall when a judge decides that the property all belongs to the ‘leadership’ which will be liberal, leftist and homosexual, just as in the Episcopal church.
And the Presbyterian church has a great many truly beautiful churches. They’ll own it all.
So they send a homosexual priest and his partner and their unfortunate children to deliberately provoke and chase away a southern congregation.
It’s a two-fer. They get to portray themselves as victims of the evil redneck homophobes and eventually they will own all the property. They’ll make headlines, always a plus for narcissists.
I see this is starting to happen in the church I attend -— Methodist. I wish people would wake up.
Many things struck me. This guy may deliver a fabulous sermon, or maybe not, but he doesn't seem to take God seriously in his writing or in his life. It's sad that he missed out on God's message, and sadder still that he thinks it's okay to take a mercenary perspective on ministry work.
"In closing, I remember the Apostle Paul, who reminds me that nothing can separate me from the love of God. (Pairing Nietzsche and the Apostle Paul might seem an odd combination, but so be it.) I saw ugliness in Henderson, sure, but I also found love and support and new understanding. As one member of the church said: "He may be gay, but he knows how to preach the Gospel."
He openly practices what is forbidden in scripture.
Notice his pairing of Nietzsche and the Apostle Paul " might" seem an odd combo. Then he puts "so be it." Which you might glance over without thinking. But the word Amen = So Be It. Nietzsche was anti-God. What a combo. He is picking and choosing what fits for him not God. Who is always willing to forgive to a repentance of soul on earth. This is not true repentance.
So why did you tag it 'Presbyterian' instead of PCUSA?
Because there are no perverts there ...
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But then the money eventually runs out...
people can, but most of us just slink away and say 'ok, you can have it', instead of fighting for our churches.
I tagged it both presbyterian and pcusa — the pcusa, as 80% of presbyterians would unfortunately be classified as such.
Practically speaking, his sexual orientation aside, it sounds like this particular minister simply doesn’t like the horrors of small town life, where you can’t live anonymously and where there just isn’t that much excitement, and he wants to be transferred to a more urban or suburban assignment.
That reminds me of an old joke about that. Baptist preacher introduces himself as the new pastor at the local baptist church to which the person inquires, "is that the narrow-minded demonination that thinks they're the only group going to heaven?" The preacher replies, "Oh it's worse than that; I don't even think most baptists are going to heaven."
Sodomites love to corrupt institutions. The RC should have been more vigilant and should purge every last sodomite immediately. I would add, however, that if you are going in this direction vis a vis the RC, you ought to be far more concerned about children in government schools, where the problem of molestation has been estimated by a researcher at Hofstra as being two orders of magnitude worse than the RC problem.
Are you warning parents or people on FR about government schools?
Typical sodomite narcisism. BTW, the comments at Salon show how violently the sodomites hate Christians and the Bible.
The Catholic Church has its own problems and problem people. The difference is that problems don’t become doctrinal reversals. Homosexuality will be accepted by more and more Protestant denominations. It is inevitable. That just will never happen with the Catholic Church.
There is no need to “get to know” a fetishist like that.
you don’t need to know an animal sex practitioner to know they have a characteristic that makes them unacceptable as a friend or neighbor.
this “pastors” fetish is no different. He should stick to the ghetto that is all of san francisco.
good catch — Nietsche and Paul in the same breath!
I agree imliedly with those Christians who have declared when this individual identifies himself as homosexual he has disqualified himself as a Christian. The two systems are mutually exclusive. One can claim the name of Christ and continue in sin but the conviction of their behavior is their rebellion against God. The message of Scripture from Genesis chapter 1 through to the last words of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is what this so called gay minister would call good the Holy Bible calls wicked, and sin, and abomination(even worthy of death) ,unnatural ,etc.I can only conclude either the men who wrote- or translated from the original text misunderstood the Bible —or this reprobate has misunderstood whatever Bible he uses is —he does not understand the meaning of the terms used. And I could NOT follow where he would lead.
He is director of a religious non-profit, School of the Pilgrim, and his memoir, “Divinity,” is due for publication in the near future. Brett, his partner, Brett’s children, and their dogs, all make their home in Chapel Hill, North Carolina.
A homosexual author, in a homosexual source, salon, pushing a pro-homosexual agenda.
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this author, with sarcasm, proves why homosexuals should not be allowed around children.
How could someone who didn’t even know me criticize me?