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Episcopal Church in New York Prepares for Same-Sex Marriage Law
Christian Post ^ | July 14, 2011 | Subodh S. Lal

Posted on 07/14/2011 1:56:06 PM PDT by NYer

Some of the Episcopal Church bishops in New York will require its gay clergy to avail themselves to the state’s Marriage Equality Act that legalizes same-sex marriage when it goes into effect on July 24.

Bishop Lawrence Provenzano of the Diocese of Long Island announced in a pastoral letter that clergy living in same-gender relationships in the Diocese of Long Island must either marry within nine months of the new law being implemented or live separately.

“For the gay and lesbian clergy of this Diocese who are living in domestic partnerships or civil unions, I hereby grant a grace period of nine months from the effective date of the New York State Law permitting same-gender marriages for those relationships to be regularized either by the exchange of vows in marriage or the living apart of said couples,” said Provenzano in the letter.

"I deem it to be honest and fair, and I do so direct and require, now that it is legal, that only married couples may live together, either in rectories or elsewhere as a clergy couple living in the midst of our faith community," wrote the bishop.

The Rev. Canon Mally Lloyd, Diocese of Massachusetts canon to the ordinary, however, thinks that a time-period-based recommendation is not a good idea.

Lloyd contended that “in general the bishops' practice during this time of transition and change has been to treat situations with pastoral care whenever possible because the fact that marriage is now legal for gay and lesbian people is a quantum shift in identity and possibility for many of them, and to put a timeline on a couple's readiness for the sacramental rite of marriage when that has never been available to them before seems arbitrary and unpastoral,” according to the Episcopal News Service.

But Provenzano told ENS in a telephone interview that same day that, "If we left it completely open-ended, it might not be acted on" and that inaction would create a "disparity."

"At least as it applies to the Diocese of Long Island, I don't think it's going to feel to anyone that I am being unpastoral or punitive in any way or creating a hardship for them by saying nine months," he said. "I suspect that most of our partnered gay and lesbian clergy have been living in committed relationships for a fairly long period of time and that the concept of being married is exactly what they've been waiting for to happen, so the church moving in this direction with them is welcomed."

New York legalized gay marriage on June 24, becoming the sixth and most populous state in the nation to recognize same-sex marriage. The population of New York alone is greater than the other five states that recognize gay marriage combined. On July 24 when the new law takes effect, one in every nine Americans will live in a state or district where such unions are legal.

Bishop Mark Sisk of Manhattan-based Diocese of New York wrote in an letter earlier to clergy about their options for marrying same-sex couples under the law. Sisk said it is his expectation that all the clergy living in committed relationship will seek legal recognition of their partnership with the state of New York.

“This is an especially high priority for clergy vowed to ‘pattern (our) live(s) in accordance with the teachings of Christ, so that (we) may be (a) wholesome example(s) to all people,” wrote Sisk.

Bishop Prince Singh of the Diocese of Rochester and Bishop William Franklin of the Diocese of Western New York have said they are either preparing or obtaining prepared guidelines and policy statements on the issue, in consultation with various leaders and groups.

The new law also necessitated changes in benefits to same-sex couples. The Church Pension Group said in a statement that to follow the requirements of the New York law and provide "parity of benefits for legally-married same-gender spouses," the CPF Board of Trustees at its meeting on June 16, 2011, “voted to amend the rules governing retirement benefits for spouses of eligible.”

The changed rules include the Medicare Supplement Benefit provided for eligible same-sex clergy spouses. However, since the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) does not recognize same-sex marriages, there may be tax implications associated with this benefit. Also, eligible children of clergy of same-sex marriages will also be treated the same under the new rules.

A letter explaining the change was recently sent to all participants in the Church Pension Fund Clergy Pension Plan.

Same-sex marriage is recognized in six states: Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, and soon New York. It is also recognized by the District of Columbia.


TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: episcopal; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; ny

1 posted on 07/14/2011 1:56:09 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

Uhm, yea. Just stop calling yourself a church however. At least not a Christian church.


2 posted on 07/14/2011 1:57:34 PM PDT by The Iceman Cometh (I'm called a 'teabagger'? Well, get over here liberal and I'll show you what that means.)
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
Bishop Mark Sisk of Manhattan-based Diocese of New York wrote in an letter earlier to clergy about their options for marrying same-sex couples under the law. Sisk said it is his expectation that all the clergy living in committed relationship will seek legal recognition of their partnership with the state of New York.

“This is an especially high priority for clergy vowed to ‘pattern (our) live(s) in accordance with the teachings of Christ, so that (we) may be (a) wholesome example(s) to all people,” wrote Sisk.

Huh?!

3 posted on 07/14/2011 1:58:02 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

“Huh?!”

They will say ANYTHING to fit their agenda.


4 posted on 07/14/2011 2:01:08 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: NYer

So “priests in this “religion” can take it up the arse as long as they are married?

What a great “bishop “this “religion” has. /s


5 posted on 07/14/2011 2:01:54 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: NYer

“to put a timeline on a couple’s readiness for the sacramental rite of marriage when that has never been available to them before seems arbitrary and unpastoral,”


Recognizing what is a sacramental rite does not seem to be an Episcopalean strong point.


6 posted on 07/14/2011 2:04:07 PM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: The Iceman Cometh

They stopped following Christ many years ago. They are all just false prophets, now.


7 posted on 07/14/2011 2:05:51 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: NYer
Some of the Episcopal Church bishops in New York will require its gay clergy...

No need to read any further.

8 posted on 07/14/2011 2:07:16 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." - Bertrand de Jouvenel des Ursins)
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To: NYer

Stop living in sin and sanctify the sin?

This is nuts!


9 posted on 07/14/2011 2:07:52 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (Liz Cheney/Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: NYer

How are these people different from Baal worshippers?


10 posted on 07/14/2011 2:08:26 PM PDT by Argus
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To: NYer

Presume by “preparing” they mean buying more fuschia, magenta, and rainbow garments...and having the organist practicing “YMCA” , “It’s Raining Men”, and “Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go”?


11 posted on 07/14/2011 2:08:39 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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Not only does this bishop approve of same-sex marriage, he wants homosexual clergy to get "married"!

12 posted on 07/14/2011 2:11:17 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Hieronymus

Well, how about think about how the Episcopal Church was founded. King Henry VIII was so mad his wives wouldn’t bear him sons, but not getting a son apparently wasn’t decent grounds for getting a sanctified divorced by the Catholic Church. The king wanted a Church to support his own form of morality, and his own authority, and that is where things go. However, hopefully, some people from the Episcopal Church see the light of the incorrect founding doctrines.


13 posted on 07/14/2011 2:15:02 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: NYer

Good news and bad news, my brothers and sisters of the other persuasion.

The good news is now you’re just like everybody else.

The bad news is...now you’re just like everybody else.


14 posted on 07/14/2011 2:15:46 PM PDT by RichInOC ("ARMAGEDDON!!!" *BOOM!* "And the rodents' red glare...gerbils bursting in air...")
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To: wagglebee

“Sisk said it is his expectation that all the clergy living in committed relationship will seek legal recognition of their partnership with the state of New York.”

Gay clergy are “expected” to get married. What are the ramifications if they don’t? Can’t take communion? Excommunication?

Sounds judgmental.


15 posted on 07/14/2011 2:22:20 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: RichInOC
I have one word for Episcopalian families: FLEE
16 posted on 07/14/2011 2:23:04 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: reagandemocrat
What are the ramifications if they don’t? Can’t take communion? Excommunication? Sounds judgmental.

Actually, in this situation, it would be a privilege - a privilege to suffer for Christ and a badge of honor. Being expelled for not believing in Gaia and the Adulteration of marriage - a badge of honor.

17 posted on 07/14/2011 2:33:27 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: NYer

“that clergy living in same-gender relationships in the Diocese of Long Island must either marry within nine months of the new law being implemented or live separately.”

Hmmm. The gays should have been a little more careful what they wished for.

I’ve also heard that certain insurance cos in NY are talking about not covering “domestic partnerships” anymore, insisting on marriage. Of course, the gays are fighting it, but I think they are on the losing end here.


18 posted on 07/14/2011 3:25:42 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: NYer
“This is an especially high priority for clergy vowed to ‘pattern (our) live(s) in accordance with the teachings of Christ, so that (we) may be (a) wholesome example(s) to all people,” wrote Sisk.

Who knew that that Wedding at Cana was between two homosexuals. That must be the reason they needed all that extra wine!

19 posted on 07/14/2011 3:35:26 PM PDT by mc5cents (Noli nothis permittere te terere)
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To: mc5cents

“This is an especially high priority for clergy vowed to ‘pattern (our) live(s) in accordance with the teachings of Christ, so that (we) may be (a) wholesome example(s) to all people,” wrote Sisk.

What a load of self serving sanctimonious crap. The corruption of the episcopal church is complete.


20 posted on 07/14/2011 3:41:43 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: NYer

““For the gay and lesbian clergy of this Diocese who are living in domestic partnerships or civil unions, I hereby grant a grace period of nine months from the effective date of the New York State Law permitting same-gender marriages for those relationships to be regularized either by the exchange of vows in marriage or the living apart of said couples,” said Provenzano in the letter.”

If they believe that “gay marriage” is possible, why didn’t they require their clergy in “relationships” to marry before the state recognized “gay marriage”? Suddenly the state says it’s OK so know they require it?! Man, I don’t know about anyone else, but I wouldn’t belong to a faith that takes its moral direction only when the state says it’s OK to do so...

Freegards, thanks for all the pings


21 posted on 07/14/2011 3:58:09 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: NYer

I predict the next step for the Episcopal Church will be to welcome pedophiles. It only makes sense. These people cannot “help” how they think and feel about the world around them, it’s simply “genetic” ... and they need to be loved too. Nothing like belonging to an “anything you want to do goes” church ... boy am I glad I left that stinking mess behind. I’m ashamed now I was ever a part of it.


22 posted on 07/14/2011 5:06:25 PM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag
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To: Argus
How are these people different from Baal worshippers?

I believe Baal worshippers "aborted" their firstborn children after birth, and allowed polygamy, but there is no proof that they allowed same sex marriage. Marriage in ancient Canaan (and later in the Phonecian colonies) was to beget children.

However, it hasn't stopped the PC from making up facts. link

Note he quotes the bible and the later Jewish writings (written centuries or even a millenium later) but doesn't have any proof that there actually was a lot of same sex marriage around, (i.e. where a society actually recognizes and honors the relationship) as opposed to homosexual practices per se. (as in the classical times of Greece, when homosexual relationships were frowned upon but known to occur, and even promoted by some of the intelligencia as "normal")

Indeed, a lot of the Biblical criticism of the Canaanites is thought by archeologists to be untrue or exaggerated (e.g. child sacrifice to Baal):

they similarly dismiss child sacrifice in Carthage (something that the Romans often pointed out as a reason to destroy the city).

23 posted on 07/14/2011 6:14:18 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: The Iceman Cometh

bbbut it is nice that the lesbian priestesses will get married (at least for a couple of years before the divorce and remarriage) rather than “living in sin”, right?


24 posted on 07/15/2011 12:02:56 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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