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Know Mormons' beliefs before voting for them
WyomingTribuneEagle ^ | July 9, 2011 | Dion Clark

Posted on 07/16/2011 7:24:33 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

In response to whether the public should vote for a Mormon for president, one should know what beliefs a candidate had.

Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman have Mormon roots and they have been vague about their beliefs and loyalty to the LDS church.

Mormon theology includes ideas like their priesthood brethren will become the government leaders, or future kings of the world, in a globalized theocracy, and that their male leaders will take over when a second coming of Christ occurs. They believe they are the pre-ordained leaders to rule over a coming theocratic kingdom.

Worthy Mormon males are temple attending, dressing in white with special learned handshakes, altar rituals, Masonic rites and gestures and do secretive activities different from normal society.

They believe they are the future gods of new worlds in a life after this one. They follow prophets with ever-changing doctrine and change their fictional "Book of Mormon" every time it is found to be un-politically correct.

Their women are taught they are good for breeding, to have large families.

A member of this cult is loyal to its church leaders and to whatever their modern prophets tell them is gospel, which changes at their will.

They claim to be Christian, but Mormon polytheism of many gods/goddesses in a hereafter, rituals that must be performed in their temples, garment wearing and works (not grace) that saves a person is different ideology.

It is debatable whether Mormons are Christians, and they have other scriptures special to Mormonism written by their leaders, not just the New Testament, like their Doctrine and Covenants and Book of Mormon.

To learn about them and their practices, beliefs and personal character will help us determine whether they are the future leaders of Americans. Or are they really stuck in their controversial past?


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"It is debatable whether Mormons are Christians"...not debatable...mormonism is NOT Christian.
1 posted on 07/16/2011 7:24:34 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; Tennessee Nana; ...

ping


2 posted on 07/16/2011 7:25:36 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (My God can't be bribed by money or good works or bound by manmade "covenants". Romney's can.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Ping


3 posted on 07/16/2011 7:29:21 AM PDT by Badabing Badablonde (New to the internet? CLICK HERE)
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To: greyfoxx39

One thing we know for certain, based on direct observation, Romney and Huntsman are RINOS!


4 posted on 07/16/2011 7:29:37 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: greyfoxx39

what does the fact of a candidate not being Christian have to do with voting for a conservative?????I would vote for a black jew in order to remove zer0bama the Marxist...

I would vote for a Mormon....

I will not vote, however, for Mitt Romney and not because of his religion...but because he is a RINO sc*mbag who was the architect of Obamacare.....he is probably the only republican I would stay home for in 2012...or at least vote third-party....


5 posted on 07/16/2011 7:34:51 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: greyfoxx39
" . . . and they have been vague about their beliefs and loyalty to the LDS church."

MMmmmm. Probably because they have been out into the wider world and are not all that loyal. Call it secularization, sophistication, or agnosticism, or whatever you will. But, when was the last time you saw Romney, Huntsman, or Harry Reid coming out of an LDS church? Do they even attend? Against that backdrop, consider Obama's steady attendance at the church of Reverend Wright.

6 posted on 07/16/2011 7:35:37 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: greyfoxx39

Know any candidate’s beliefs before voting for them. Duh.

What is your stand on the right to bear arms?

What is your stand on abortion?

What is your stand on socialized medicine?

Etc.

Etc.


7 posted on 07/16/2011 7:35:50 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: MrChips

Huntsman, Romney and Reid are all temple mormons.


8 posted on 07/16/2011 7:50:30 AM PDT by svcw (democrats are liars, it's a given)
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To: Vaquero

I’d say mine’s Perry.


9 posted on 07/16/2011 7:50:30 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: greyfoxx39

BLFR


10 posted on 07/16/2011 7:51:47 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: greyfoxx39

There is no danger of Mormons achieving a working majority in any branch of government any time soon. I am less concerned about the upfront Mormon who practices his religion (and whose political application in the political sphere in actual law is largely decent) than in the secular atheist/humanist who doesn’t even realize of doesn’t care that he is forcing his worldview into everybody’s personal life.

It is no worse to be a polytheist than to be a pantheist, atheist or deist.

Traditionally-minded Catholics, conservative Christians of all stripes, practicing Mormons, observant Jews and non-denominational theists with a good grounding in natural law all have a deep interest in undoing the radicals who explicitly started their takeover in the 60s and are continuing it to this day.


11 posted on 07/16/2011 7:52:04 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Larry Lucido

What is your stand on the right to bear arms? Romney, Huntsman - opposed

What is your stand on abortion? Romney, Huntsman - support

What is your stand on socialized medicine? Romney, Huntsman - support


12 posted on 07/16/2011 7:52:21 AM PDT by svcw (democrats are liars, it's a given)
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To: greyfoxx39

Absolutely not.

They are polytheists and therefore CANNOT be Christian.

As I have posted here before, I once heard a Mormon elder explain that “Earth’s God” was sent here by “Twelve other gods.”


14 posted on 07/16/2011 7:55:34 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Larry Lucido
Know any candidate’s beliefs before voting for them. Duh.

Yup. And that is why Freepers would take Bay Buchanan or Glenn Beck over "Catholic" John Kerry, "Christian" Jimmy Carter, "Jewish" Rahm Emmanuel, etc.

I also suspect that Mormon Freepers would vote Angle over Reid.
15 posted on 07/16/2011 7:55:48 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: MrChips

But, when was the last time you saw Romney, Huntsman, or Harry Reid coming out of an LDS church? Do they even attend?

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Romney and Reid, yes. They are both ‘active’ (to use the LDS term), have temple recommends, and church jobs (callings).

Huntsman is more of a ‘jack Mormon’. Reid and Romney are both TBM (True Blue or Truly Brainswashed) Mormons. They are true believers in Mormonism.


16 posted on 07/16/2011 7:55:53 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Vigilanteman; greyfoxx39

Biblical Jesus - eternal
lds jesus - created
Biblical Jesus - paid the price on the Cross
lds jesus - paid the price in the garden
Biblical Jesus - sufficient, He alone can Save
lds jesus - not sufficient IE after all we can do
mormonISM is not Christianity, it is not debatable.


17 posted on 07/16/2011 7:57:06 AM PDT by svcw (democrats are liars, it's a given)
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To: Vaquero

I would NEVER vote for a Mormon. I know to much about their religion (see tagline) to ever trust them in a position of power.

You may want to check out Rocky Hulse’s book “When Salt Lake City Calls” if you think Mormonism wouldn’t affect a presidency negatively.


18 posted on 07/16/2011 7:57:36 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Vaquero

Si, Si ;
I agree with your first two paragraphs.
While the lesser of 2 evils is evil -
it is also lesser

Jews listen to Rabbis
Catholics listen to Bishops
Protestants listen to Wesley, Calvin, Baker, Sweigart, etc..


19 posted on 07/16/2011 7:58:22 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: Dr. Sivana
I also suspect that Mormon Freepers would vote Angle over Reid.

Incorrect. mormons supported Reid over Angle.

20 posted on 07/16/2011 7:59:02 AM PDT by svcw (democrats are liars, it's a given)
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To: Vigilanteman

I’m going to let Jesus Christ make that decision
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He already has. Mormons are hell bound because they reject Him in favor of a false Christ and a system of works.


21 posted on 07/16/2011 7:59:24 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: greyfoxx39
This brouhaha over Mormonism reminds me of a similar false flag religious issue from 1960.

is anyone out there old enough, or well informed enough, to remember the stink that was raised about jack Kennedy’s religion? There were several adds, print and radio, that more or less stated that if he became President jack Kennedy would be taking directions from the Pope.

To me all religious activity should take place at home, behind closed doors, and in the dead of night because it is one of the most personal activities that a person can indulge in. How else can this nation survive?

22 posted on 07/16/2011 7:59:38 AM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL)
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To: svcw

I know they are Mormons. But how “Mormon” are they is the question. I know Catholics who are not very Catholic, Episcopalians who never attend church (well, maybe on Easter), and Protestants who are thoroughly secularized in their thinking.


23 posted on 07/16/2011 7:59:38 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: aumrl

And Christians listen to God.


24 posted on 07/16/2011 7:59:44 AM PDT by svcw (democrats are liars, it's a given)
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To: MrChips

Romney, Huntsman and Reid are all temple mormons. IE mormons in good standing.


25 posted on 07/16/2011 8:00:37 AM PDT by svcw (democrats are liars, it's a given)
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To: MrChips
know Catholics who are not very Catholic,

Yeah we've got some gems like the Kennedys, Pelosi, Binden, Kerry, Sebelius, etc.

Makes my blood boil.

26 posted on 07/16/2011 8:01:30 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Larry Lucido
Did you read the article?

"Mormon theology includes ideas like their priesthood brethren will become the government leaders, or future kings of the world, in a globalized theocracy, and that their male leaders will take over when a second coming of Christ occurs. They believe they are the pre-ordained leaders to rule over a coming theocratic kingdom."

Romney and Huntsman have both taken this oath more than once in their temples: "You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the law of consecration as contained in this, the book of Doctrine and Covenants [he displays the book], in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.

Obama's failure is no excuse to vote for a mormon who will use the same cronyism to "build up the kingdom of Zion".

27 posted on 07/16/2011 8:01:53 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (My God can't be bribed by money or good works or bound by manmade "covenants". Romney's can.)
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To: aumrl; Vaquero

Jews listen to Rabbis
Catholics listen to Bishops
Protestants listen to Wesley, Calvin, Baker, Sweigart, etc..

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Not at all in the same way Mormons listen to their Prophet. Been there done that (see tagline).

Check out the book “When Salt Lake City Calls” if you think otherwise.


28 posted on 07/16/2011 8:01:57 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Nip
To me all religious activity should take place at home, behind closed doors, and in the dead of night because it is one of the most personal activities that a person can indulge in.

You may feel that way, but it is not Biblical.

29 posted on 07/16/2011 8:02:08 AM PDT by svcw (democrats are liars, it's a given)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Traditionally-minded Catholics, conservative Christians of all stripes, practicing Mormons, observant Jews and non-denominational theists with a good grounding in natural law all have a deep interest in undoing the radicals who explicitly started their takeover in the 60s and are continuing it to this day.

Very well stated.

I believe this is exactly why there is a well-organized cabal of religious bigots seeking to divide these very people.

They are working for the enemy. Some of them may be wearing conservative or Christian clothing, but if there main interest is in marginalizing members of the groups which you mentioned (and other pro-American, pro-constitutional groups), then they have outed themselves as either agents for the enemy (at worst) or people too stupid to understand the need to work together in a common cause against a real enemy (at best).

The track record of these bigots is equally sorry-- for every convert they make to their brand of Christianity, they turn off hundreds to religion altogether.

30 posted on 07/16/2011 8:02:12 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Nip

The difference is, a Mormon WOULD be taking directions from SLC. I have listed a book above that documents that the comparison of Romney (or any Mormon) to JFK is a false one.


31 posted on 07/16/2011 8:03:18 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: MrChips; svcw

But how “Mormon” are they is the question

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Reid and Romney - VERY VERY VERY Mormon.

Huntsman - not so much.


32 posted on 07/16/2011 8:04:18 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: svcw

Which means? I know plenty of church-goers, or at least, church members, who are “in good standing” . . . and it means little with respect to their faith.


33 posted on 07/16/2011 8:04:26 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: Vaquero
what does the fact of a candidate not being Christian have to do with voting for a conservative?????I would vote for a black jew in order to remove zer0bama the Marxist..

I'd vote for a "conservative black Jew" also, as long as he wasn't a practicing "black Jew", claiming falsely, to be a Christian.

34 posted on 07/16/2011 8:05:07 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: reaganaut

How so? Explain.


35 posted on 07/16/2011 8:05:18 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: greyfoxx39

Isn’t it the Mormons who claim that Jesus and Satan were brothers?


36 posted on 07/16/2011 8:05:42 AM PDT by swatbuznik
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Which means?

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Which means they are true believers in Mormonsim, who attend church regularly, and completely believe their church’s teachings.

They are good, faithful, believing, practicing Mormons.


37 posted on 07/16/2011 8:07:07 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Vigilanteman

VMAN, you have said it all in a very precise and elegant way, their are two many secular haters to condemn Mormons for their religion...we as Christians are only in control of our own faith.
I pray my light and faith will reveal truths to all who see’


38 posted on 07/16/2011 8:07:22 AM PDT by Turborules (`I am Proud to vote for Palin, anytime anywhere!)
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To: Nip
One wonders what the opinion of Kennedy's presidency would be now had he lived to finish two terms. The media has glorified and idolized him...OH WAIT....the way they are glorifying and idolizing Obama.

To me all religious activity should take place at home, behind closed doors, and in the dead of night

Tell that to the 52,000 mormon missionaries who are out in the world daily telling Christians that their faith is wrong and only through mormonism will they be saved. Mitt was one of them.

39 posted on 07/16/2011 8:07:43 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (My God can't be bribed by money or good works or bound by manmade "covenants". Romney's can.)
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To: swatbuznik

Yes. Jesus is the ‘firstborn’, Lucifer is the ‘second born’ and they both vied for the opportunity to be our “savior”. Jesus won btw, kinda.


40 posted on 07/16/2011 8:08:23 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
Who appointed you to speak for Jesus Christ?

You probably hold the same intolerant view of Catholics because their view of works and faith are different from yours as well.

You are just too gutless to make comparably intolerant statements about Catholics because it isn't fashionable.

41 posted on 07/16/2011 8:09:22 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: MrChips; Elsie
Chips, I said temple worthy. These men have temple recommendations. You seriously need to read up on what a mormon has to swear to receive a temple recommendation. This goes way beyond "in good standing" in the conventional sense.
I am pinging Elsie because they have the oath available in pdf form for posting.
42 posted on 07/16/2011 8:09:25 AM PDT by svcw (democrats are liars, it's a given)
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To: greyfoxx39
ROMNEY RINO CHURCH
43 posted on 07/16/2011 8:10:40 AM PDT by FrankR ("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat." - R. Reagan)
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To: MrChips

Being MOrmon is an all or nothing proposition. You are either ‘active’ or a ‘jack mormon’ (inactive).

Being ‘active’ means - they attend services (every week or nearly for at least 3 hours), they have church jobs (Romeny was the equivelent of a pastor at one point), they go to other members houses as often as they can (considering their schudules) to give lessons, they pay titihing, they wear the holy underwear, they were married in the LDS temple (which is about 25% of LDS), they took oaths to put the LDS church (not God not Christ) first above everything else and to use their influence to build up THE CHURCH (again not God, not Christ). They keep the health code, they read the Book of Mormon, they submit to the Prophet. I can go on.

They are very very very devout and that only happens if you really believe it.


44 posted on 07/16/2011 8:12:39 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Vigilanteman; reaganaut
Jesus said we are to judge everything against the Word of God.
mormonISM fails that judgment.
If this post were about Catholicism your other point would be worth discussing.
45 posted on 07/16/2011 8:12:39 AM PDT by svcw (democrats are liars, it's a given)
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To: Vigilanteman; MarkBsnr; Salvation; Chronos; NYer

Who appointed you to speak for Jesus Christ?

You probably hold the same intolerant view of Catholics because their view of works and faith are different from yours as well.

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No me, the Bible.

And I hold no ill will against the Catholics, I consider them to be my brothers and sisters in Christ. In fact, I’m even allowed on Catholic Caucus threads here because of my background and academic interest in Catholicism.

So, once again your attack on me fails.

I pinged some Catholics to confirm this. Have any of you ever heard me say a harsh word against the Catholics?


46 posted on 07/16/2011 8:15:19 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: greyfoxx39

And John F. Kennedy will do whatever the Pope tells him to if he gets elected.


47 posted on 07/16/2011 8:16:33 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Vigilanteman
The track record of these bigots is equally sorry-- for every convert they make to their brand of Christianity, they turn off hundreds to religion altogether.

Source, other than your mormon ties? Post a link to this comment.

48 posted on 07/16/2011 8:18:28 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (My God can't be bribed by money or good works or bound by manmade "covenants". Romney's can.)
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To: svcw
Incorrect. mormons supported Reid over Angle.

I know. That is why I said Mormon FREEPERS supported Angle. Reid, Mo Udall and successor Udalls, etc. seem to be more culturally Mormon, and I suspect they attract Mormon votes the way Kennedys attract the votes of weak, cultural and unthinking Catholics. I have often stated that my main problem with Romney is that he hasn't been Mormon enough in his politics. Real Mormons don't attend NARAL fund-raisers.

We all hate identity politics, but its pull is strong. When I see the conservative Greek deli owner happily vote for Dukakis, I realize that there is something at work that goes beyond rationality, and simply has to be accounted for, as it cannot be undone by mere human argument.

Also, when given an opportunity, Mormons have been willing to clean things up a bit. Utah Sen. Mike Lee is a MAJOR upgrade over Mormon Bob Bennett, and Lee is also as Mormon as they come. If he comes over my house, I will make sure I have some Hawaiian Punch to serve him, and I will not discuss underclothing.
49 posted on 07/16/2011 8:19:47 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: svcw

Ah, but what is in an oath? When do they swear? Age 12? Confirmation? At 18, embarking upon some missionary venture? At age 60? Do they really believe what they once swore? Or is it all just part of custom and heritage. Many Protestants scoff at some of the more fundamentalist practices within Christianity, or at the belief of Roman Catholics that the bread and wine really do become the actual body and blood of Christ. But, of course, Catholics swear by it.


50 posted on 07/16/2011 8:22:50 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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