Skip to comments.Know Mormons' beliefs before voting for them
Posted on 07/16/2011 7:24:33 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
In response to whether the public should vote for a Mormon for president, one should know what beliefs a candidate had.
Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman have Mormon roots and they have been vague about their beliefs and loyalty to the LDS church.
Mormon theology includes ideas like their priesthood brethren will become the government leaders, or future kings of the world, in a globalized theocracy, and that their male leaders will take over when a second coming of Christ occurs. They believe they are the pre-ordained leaders to rule over a coming theocratic kingdom.
Worthy Mormon males are temple attending, dressing in white with special learned handshakes, altar rituals, Masonic rites and gestures and do secretive activities different from normal society.
They believe they are the future gods of new worlds in a life after this one. They follow prophets with ever-changing doctrine and change their fictional "Book of Mormon" every time it is found to be un-politically correct.
Their women are taught they are good for breeding, to have large families.
A member of this cult is loyal to its church leaders and to whatever their modern prophets tell them is gospel, which changes at their will.
They claim to be Christian, but Mormon polytheism of many gods/goddesses in a hereafter, rituals that must be performed in their temples, garment wearing and works (not grace) that saves a person is different ideology.
It is debatable whether Mormons are Christians, and they have other scriptures special to Mormonism written by their leaders, not just the New Testament, like their Doctrine and Covenants and Book of Mormon.
To learn about them and their practices, beliefs and personal character will help us determine whether they are the future leaders of Americans. Or are they really stuck in their controversial past?
No he didn't, in 1924 the democrats got 29% of the total vote against 54% republican, and in 1928 Catholic Democrat Al Smith got 41% to the republicans 58%, so my guess would be that his Protestant vote improved over the previous election.
if it comes down to a choice between zero and romney, i need to vote to save my country from it’s current downward slide. i am not worried about mormon theology politically, i am worried about their theology theologically.
BTW, it is far worse than not knowing ‘the church once taught that’. What the founder of this new religion euphemistically called ‘The Latter Day Saints’ taught is so heretical that one wonders why LDS inc now wants to try and pretend they are a Christian sect? And if the founder taught such heresies on whom God is and Whom Jesus is, how can anything be inspired from this false prophet, sexual predator of married women, peepstone conman?
i have never read a harsh word from reaganaut against the Catholic Faith or Church.
If it comes down to a choice between barry and the Mittiac, the real problem will be turnout. Romney will lose and sadly, not enough conservatives will go vote in order to take over veto-proof Seante and overwhelming control of the House. I could be satisfied with Barry in the White Hut, IF the Senate was veto proof and the House overwhelmingly non-Democrat. If Huntsman was his veep, impeachment might remove barry and put Huntsman in the Oval Office ... and I could live with that is Seante and HOuse are able tostem the socialist tides.
I would not think it a good idea for such a person to be nominated, however, because of what would inevitably follow from the MSM exposé of LDS to all of America.
THAT would not be good for the LDS, it would not be good for conservatives, and it would not be good for America.
If Barry is reelected, his party will hold the Senate.
if Catholic aren’t “Christian”, i guess you believe there weren’t any Christians on earth before the 16th century?
Romney might lose, but it won’t be do to me. Don’t get me wrong, i would rather our nominee be Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, even T-Paw before Romney. You will never veto proof Senate and House, we need the presidency.
Read that post 99 again, no wonder you spport Romney.
It is important for me to point out the Catholic church’s position on Mormonism because so many Catholics are devoted defenders of Mormonism and Romney.
Many Catholics do not seem to realized that the Catholic church teaches that Mormonism is not a Christian religion.
i agree with you and appreciate your spreading the word. i had two nice young mormon missionaries at my door three weeks ago and spent about 20 minutes explaining to them why they aren’t Christian. the way they reacted, i may have been the first one to tell them that!!
read my posts again, where do i state i support Romney? i said i would vote for him over zero, does that mmake me a Romney “supporter”?
, if it were Mike Lee, Bay Buchanan or Glenn Beck running against Rudy Giuliani or George Pataki, who would you side with?
None of them...
But thats what you knew I would say...
Thats part of being a Conservative...
Having the guts to say ther truth and what you believe
and not what you think will make you look good...
When a poster shows up on Mormon and Romney threads to counter other posters by saying that ‘I personally will accept Romney and vote for him’, then of course that is supporting him, it is delivered as a rebuttal to his critics, to tell freepers that it is perfectly OK to push back and ignore the anti-Romney sentiment here.
Rallying the Mormon base wont be easy for Reid, despite his shared religion. Reid has an uneasy, sometimes contentious relationship with some members of his church. An appearance by Reid at a Mormon chapel this year had to be canceled after members expressed anger over him potentially using the venue to gather votes.NV Full Election Results:
A 2009 survey conducted by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life found that nearly 65 percent of Mormons are Republican or Republican leaning. Thats 15 percentage points higher than members of evangelical churches and 30 points higher than the general population. Only 22 percent of Mormons said they are Democrats.
To be sure, there are Mormons who support Reid, but they seem to be the minority, at least among members who openly share their political preferences.
His victory was powered by overwhelming support from minority voters, an Associated Press analysis of preliminary exit poll results found. He bested Angle among all nonwhite voters surveyed, including about two-thirds of Hispanics, about eight in 10 blacks and about three-quarters of Asians.And here is the definitive election exit poll data; they didn't even ask about religion, but if you look at where Reid got his vote, it isn't from demographics that would tend mormon. For example, Angle won the college graduate vote: CNN Exit Polls
I can find no definitive information that says Reid got more mormon votes than Angle did; unless you have a direct citation, I would suggest my three citations indicate that it was not the case.
BTW, in the first article, you'll find an interesting quote where someone suggests that Angle could beat Romney in a Utah election.
While I am sure many share your opinion of the prophet, seer, and revelator, I would vote for a conservative for President who held to LDS beliefs.
That same so called “prophet, seer, and revelator” had an abortionist on speed dial so he could hardly have been consideered a conservative...
Although he did run for POTUS in 1844...
and he did hold LDS beliefs...
Polygamy, warts and all....
R I am still looking for that article I read after the election. I know its on the computer, nothing is ever really gone.
may i suggest you take a logic course if one is offered to you?
let me help you:
if my leg is caught under a boat and i have the choice of either cutting off my leg or drowning under the boat, i will choose to cut my leg off. if someone accuses me of wanting to cut my leg off, this would be an incorrect statement. if i am given a choice between zero and romney, i will vote for romney. if someone accuses me therefore of being a romney supporter, this would be an incorrect statement.
logic my friend, logic.
There are two religions I could never vote to support. One is Satanist the other is Islam.....but I repeat myself.
Really now. How just is that possible when Joseph Smith had to "restore" his version of christianity because everything before him was wrong? How is that possible when Joseph Smith wanted to over throw the US government and appoint himself king or general? Just because Reagan had mormons on his staff does not in anyway mean he believed mormonISM.
There is no reason to share with us your willingness to vote for Romney if he wins the primary, the “logical” thing to do if you are not a Romney supporter, and are not promoting him, is to not defend him, to just avoid a thread where you feel the need to take that action.
The fact is that here you are on a thread, posting away.
When a poster shows up on Mormon and Romney threads to counter other posters by saying that I personally will accept Romney and vote for him, then of course that is supporting him, it is delivered as a rebuttal to his critics, to tell freepers that it is perfectly OK to push back and ignore the anti-Romney sentiment here.
you are doing a lot of mind reading. tell me where i ever said i supported romney, defended romney or that i accepted romney.
putting the word “logical” in quotes doesn’t mean you understand logic. i can’t explain any better than #120. again, take the course if offered to you.
Why do you feel the need to jump on this thread and to keep spreading that message?
"Ronald Reagan, who we all wish was the candidate now had the following Mormons in his administration:Richard B. Wirthlin, chief strategist, Ted Bell, Sec. Education,Angela Buchanan, Treasurer, Rex Lee, Solicitor General,Roger Porter, Economic Advisor, Brent Scowcroft, Chair of Commission on Stategic Forces,Richard Beale, Special Assistant for National Secjurity, Blake Parich, John Huntsman, Advance Staff,plus too many more to mention."
And yet he knew enough theology not to become one of them...
If Gov Sarah Palin gets in I have my Sarah buttons ready...
otherwise right now its Herman Cain...
as of yet I have no runner up or VP pick...
WHAT IS AN OBAMA SUPPORTER DOING ON FR? I THOUGHT THEY WERE ALL ON DK.
If there is anyone here who doesn’t understand why we cannot support a slick socialist politician like Mitt Romney, God help you, but you’re on the wrong website. We went through this with the abortionist, gay rights activist, illegal alien supporting, gun grabbing Rudy Giuliani until someone created another website call WAnkers for Rudy and they all flew the coop. Hopefully, before too much FReeper blood is shed, someone will create a WAnkers for Romney site and we can be left to fight the good fight as we see fit!
FR is not for everyone!
1 posted on Sunday, May 03, 2009 12:32:08 PM by Jim Robinson
At this time in 2007 I had already chosen Rep Duncan hunter...
There were rumblings about FRed who I felt would actually be the winner if he really did run
FRed had been coming into our area for private $1000 and $2000 etc receptions already and we were waiting for him to declare
I was planning to vote for Duncan in the primary and FRed if he won to Nov...I had voted twice for FRed in the past..
However FRed mucked around anbd when he finally got in he didnt run the type of race he had for the Senate..
I voted for Duncan Hunter Jan 2008 on the Wednesday, the first day of TN early voting ...he dropped out on Saturday and FRed left on the following Monday...
leaving the RINO Quintulets...Romney, Guliani, McCain, Huckabee, Paul,
if my leg is caught under a boat and i have the choice of either cutting off my leg or drowning under the boat, i will choose to cut my leg off. if someone accuses me of wanting to cut my leg off, this would be an incorrect statement.
logic my friend, logic.
So all that blood attracts the sharks and they act like a shark would logically do
because they havent read your slant on logic
Where do we send the flowers ???
I used to be married to a Mormon and I’ve had enough up-close-and-personal exposure to that so-called religion to know that its public façade is nothing like the mumbo-jumbo cultic behavior that goes on in private. Calling them “Christians” is like calling the Norks “democrats” because their country’s official name is the “Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.”
Total hogwash. And, if the Heavenly Father is not a created being, how could he be a “glorified man?” Aren’t men the product of divine creation?
Forget about using reason with them. Mormon “theology” is a mish-mash invented by a corrupt, fallen Baptist preacher-—Sidney Rigdon-—and what he cooked up with his willing and gullible pupil, Joe Smith.
The whole thing is a scheme about sex, power, and money. A chance for men to have nearly unlimited sex, own tracts of property, and develop political power by playing the right pseudo-religious game. Their “theology” developed among Smith and Young and their “disciples” while they sat around pot-bellied stoves drinking whiskey. And, yes, they drank like fish. Joe Smith was known as the “Jolly Prophet” by his neighbors for his state of almost constant inebriation.
With the Mormons, what was good for the goose was never good for the gander. How many of todays teetotalers have any idea?
I get really tired of people equating JFK’s Catholicism with Romney’s Mormonism. It shows they know nothing of either religion.
Romney’s religion speech was a total ripoff of JFK’s speech and it seemed to work.
JFK didn’t meet with the Pope to ask permission to run for president, Romney met with his prophet.
Mormons are much more conditioned to follow exactly what the prophet says EVEN IN THE LITTLEST THINGS and the LDS prophet makes comments on the littlest things. Following the LDS prophet is required for salvation in Mormonism (I used to be Mormon BTW as did Greyfoxx).
If you think that a comparison between JFK and Romney is valid, you need to read “When Salt Lake City Calls” by Rocky Hulse. It is a real eye opener.
mormonISM is not Christianity and mormons will vote for liberals. Romney got 94% of the mormon vote. place marker
Reid, Mo Udall and successor Udalls, etc. seem to be more culturally Mormon, and I suspect they attract Mormon votes the way Kennedys attract the votes of weak, cultural and unthinking Catholics.
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That is not correct at all, at least not regarding the LDS (Mormons). Reid etc are not ‘cultural mormons’ in the least. Huntsman is much more a cultural Mormon. Reid, Romney, Udall are all active, true believeing Mormons. When I lived in Utah, I knew a lot of TBMs and a lot of cultural LDS and they aren’t cultural (or Jack) Mormons.
Don’t be fooled by the PR the LDS church puts out that they are conservative either, NARAL does have its support even in Utah County, by active (real) LDS. Also, the LDS have a mindset of only trusting other LDS (which has been abused). They will vote for a Mormon over a ‘gentile’ (all non Mormons, even Jews) any day.
See my tagline. I have been there, done that, and know a ‘real’ Mormon from an inactive one.
Ah, but what is in an oath? When do they swear? Age 12? Confirmation? At 18, embarking upon some missionary venture? At age 60? Do they really believe what they once swore? Or is it all just part of custom and heritage.
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The oaths are usually taken between the ages of 19 and 21, either before going on an LDS mission or getting married in the LDS temple. After going through the first time, they go through again several times (sometimes as often as once a week) and re-confirm the oaths as they do the rites as proxy for the dead.
They really do believe it, if they don’t they leave Mormonism and quit wearing the LDS garments. Since only about 25%-30% of LDS worldwide ever take the oaths, it isn’t cultural or custom, it is serious business that is worked hard to earn and to keep (access to the temple through obedience to a strict set of beliefs and rules). Going to the Temple is the highest goal and achievement because it is REQUIRED to get to the Celestial Kingdom (Heaven) since God requires special handshakes and words to get in, and it is also required for them to become Gods themselves one day.
The fact that Romney still wears his ‘temple garments’ is a sign that he still believes the oaths. If you would like, I can post the texts of the oaths that Romney (and other Mormons) took.
But I have never known a Mormon to say “Dammit.”
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I have, even here on FR.
Thanks Mark. :)
Very well said. I am often criticized for speaking out against Mormonism, however I can do nothing else. Not only as a Christian, but because I used to be Mormon and know exactly what they teach. I thank God every day He delivered me from that cult and into the arms of Christ.
Who appointed you to speak for Jesus Christ? [Vigilate]
Same question can be asked of you. Does special underware grant you that authority? [’Zilla]
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Zilla, did you forget? The Mormon Jesus shares His High Priest status and priesthood with Mormon men?
Contrary to the Bible of course.
HMMMM, i boat on the Delaware River. last time i looked, there has never been a shark in the river. but thanks for sharing.
The Bible and personal experience (see tagline). They believe in and follow a false Christ. They rely on a system of works and reject grace.
so if the choice is romney v. zero, you would vote for zero???? you can start your own site, wankers for zero. obuma will have so much campaign cash, i’m sure he’ll fund you.
And you call me a bigot based upon what??
Bigotry comes from ignorance, I am not ignorant when it comes to the LDS, not at all. I lived it for several years before God rescued me from it, and from Hell.
Are you LDS?
I’m already on an anti-Romney/anti-Obama site, the question is, what are you doing here supporting and defending Mitt Romney?
i would never support a socialist, homosexual promoting, abortion loving, pro-tax thug like Obama over Romney. why would you?????
My personal experience with Mormons is real, though limited. I do know that Mo Udall, at least, described himself as not being a serious Mormon (though his family goes WAY back).
In some ways, Mormonism strikes me as being almost tribal, like Judaism (except Jews don’t proselytize). That is, they are able to separate their personal code from how they vote easily and completely.
Joe Lieberman is supposed to be an Orthodox Jew, and yet has no problem voting for abortion funding. I suspect that the pro-abort Mormons must be able to think something similar, almost grouping violations of the natural law (abortion) with their religion’s positive disciplines (e.g. no coffee or spirits for Mormons, no pork for Jews).
I have known a number of Mormons who are conservative in their politics, and I won’t write them off. Utah votes more conservatively on average than its non-Mormon neighbors for the most part. Heavily Mormon Idaho even more so.
Thanks, CC, and well stated.
If you want to mock being against Mitt Romney and use JR’s words to do it, then why not ping JR himself.