Posted on 07/16/2011 7:24:33 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
In response to whether the public should vote for a Mormon for president, one should know what beliefs a candidate had.
Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman have Mormon roots and they have been vague about their beliefs and loyalty to the LDS church.
Mormon theology includes ideas like their priesthood brethren will become the government leaders, or future kings of the world, in a globalized theocracy, and that their male leaders will take over when a second coming of Christ occurs. They believe they are the pre-ordained leaders to rule over a coming theocratic kingdom.
Worthy Mormon males are temple attending, dressing in white with special learned handshakes, altar rituals, Masonic rites and gestures and do secretive activities different from normal society.
They believe they are the future gods of new worlds in a life after this one. They follow prophets with ever-changing doctrine and change their fictional "Book of Mormon" every time it is found to be un-politically correct.
Their women are taught they are good for breeding, to have large families.
A member of this cult is loyal to its church leaders and to whatever their modern prophets tell them is gospel, which changes at their will.
They claim to be Christian, but Mormon polytheism of many gods/goddesses in a hereafter, rituals that must be performed in their temples, garment wearing and works (not grace) that saves a person is different ideology.
It is debatable whether Mormons are Christians, and they have other scriptures special to Mormonism written by their leaders, not just the New Testament, like their Doctrine and Covenants and Book of Mormon.
To learn about them and their practices, beliefs and personal character will help us determine whether they are the future leaders of Americans. Or are they really stuck in their controversial past?
There are two religions I could never vote to support. One is Satanist the other is Islam.....but I repeat myself.
Really now. How just is that possible when Joseph Smith had to "restore" his version of christianity because everything before him was wrong? How is that possible when Joseph Smith wanted to over throw the US government and appoint himself king or general? Just because Reagan had mormons on his staff does not in anyway mean he believed mormonISM.
There is no reason to share with us your willingness to vote for Romney if he wins the primary, the “logical” thing to do if you are not a Romney supporter, and are not promoting him, is to not defend him, to just avoid a thread where you feel the need to take that action.
The fact is that here you are on a thread, posting away.
When a poster shows up on Mormon and Romney threads to counter other posters by saying that ‘I personally will accept Romney and vote for him’, then of course that is supporting him, it is delivered as a rebuttal to his critics, to tell freepers that it is perfectly OK to push back and ignore the anti-Romney sentiment here.
you are doing a lot of mind reading. tell me where i ever said i supported romney, defended romney or that i accepted romney.
putting the word “logical” in quotes doesn’t mean you understand logic. i can’t explain any better than #120. again, take the course if offered to you.
Why do you feel the need to jump on this thread and to keep spreading that message?
"Ronald Reagan, who we all wish was the candidate now had the following Mormon’s in his administration:Richard B. Wirthlin, chief strategist, Ted Bell, Sec. Education,Angela Buchanan, Treasurer, Rex Lee, Solicitor General,Roger Porter, Economic Advisor, Brent Scowcroft, Chair of Commission on Stategic Forces,Richard Beale, Special Assistant for National Secjurity, Blake Parich, John Huntsman, Advance Staff,plus too many more to mention."
And yet he knew enough theology not to become one of them...
If Gov Sarah Palin gets in I have my Sarah buttons ready...
otherwise right now its Herman Cain...
as of yet I have no runner up or VP pick...
WHAT IS AN OBAMA SUPPORTER DOING ON FR? I THOUGHT THEY WERE ALL ON DK.
If there is anyone here who doesn’t understand why we cannot support a slick socialist politician like Mitt Romney, God help you, but you’re on the wrong website. We went through this with the abortionist, gay rights activist, illegal alien supporting, gun grabbing Rudy Giuliani until someone created another website call WAnkers for Rudy and they all flew the coop. Hopefully, before too much FReeper blood is shed, someone will create a WAnkers for Romney site and we can be left to fight the good fight as we see fit!
FR is not for everyone!
1 posted on Sunday, May 03, 2009 12:32:08 PM by Jim Robinson
At this time in 2007 I had already chosen Rep Duncan hunter...
There were rumblings about FRed who I felt would actually be the winner if he really did run
FRed had been coming into our area for private $1000 and $2000 etc receptions already and we were waiting for him to declare
I was planning to vote for Duncan in the primary and FRed if he won to Nov...I had voted twice for FRed in the past..
However FRed mucked around anbd when he finally got in he didnt run the type of race he had for the Senate..
I voted for Duncan Hunter Jan 2008 on the Wednesday, the first day of TN early voting ...he dropped out on Saturday and FRed left on the following Monday...
leaving the RINO Quintulets...Romney, Guliani, McCain, Huckabee, Paul,
if my leg is caught under a boat and i have the choice of either cutting off my leg or drowning under the boat, i will choose to cut my leg off. if someone accuses me of wanting to cut my leg off, this would be an incorrect statement.
logic my friend, logic.
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So all that blood attracts the sharks and they act like a shark would logically do
because they havent read your slant on logic
Where do we send the flowers ???
I used to be married to a Mormon and I’ve had enough up-close-and-personal exposure to that so-called religion to know that its public façade is nothing like the mumbo-jumbo cultic behavior that goes on in private. Calling them “Christians” is like calling the Norks “democrats” because their country’s official name is the “Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.”
Total hogwash. And, if the Heavenly Father is not a created being, how could he be a “glorified man?” Aren’t men the product of divine creation?
Forget about using reason with them. Mormon “theology” is a mish-mash invented by a corrupt, fallen Baptist preacher-—Sidney Rigdon-—and what he cooked up with his willing and gullible pupil, Joe Smith.
The whole thing is a scheme about sex, power, and money. A chance for men to have nearly unlimited sex, own tracts of property, and develop political power by playing the right pseudo-religious game. Their “theology” developed among Smith and Young and their “disciples” while they sat around pot-bellied stoves drinking whiskey. And, yes, they drank like fish. Joe Smith was known as the “Jolly Prophet” by his neighbors for his state of almost constant inebriation.
With the Mormons, what was good for the goose was never good for the gander. How many of todays teetotalers have any idea?
I get really tired of people equating JFK’s Catholicism with Romney’s Mormonism. It shows they know nothing of either religion.
Romney’s religion speech was a total ripoff of JFK’s speech and it seemed to work.
JFK didn’t meet with the Pope to ask permission to run for president, Romney met with his prophet.
Mormons are much more conditioned to follow exactly what the prophet says EVEN IN THE LITTLEST THINGS and the LDS prophet makes comments on the littlest things. Following the LDS prophet is required for salvation in Mormonism (I used to be Mormon BTW as did Greyfoxx).
If you think that a comparison between JFK and Romney is valid, you need to read “When Salt Lake City Calls” by Rocky Hulse. It is a real eye opener.
mormonISM is not Christianity and mormons will vote for liberals. Romney got 94% of the mormon vote. place marker
Reid, Mo Udall and successor Udalls, etc. seem to be more culturally Mormon, and I suspect they attract Mormon votes the way Kennedys attract the votes of weak, cultural and unthinking Catholics.
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That is not correct at all, at least not regarding the LDS (Mormons). Reid etc are not ‘cultural mormons’ in the least. Huntsman is much more a cultural Mormon. Reid, Romney, Udall are all active, true believeing Mormons. When I lived in Utah, I knew a lot of TBMs and a lot of cultural LDS and they aren’t cultural (or Jack) Mormons.
Don’t be fooled by the PR the LDS church puts out that they are conservative either, NARAL does have its support even in Utah County, by active (real) LDS. Also, the LDS have a mindset of only trusting other LDS (which has been abused). They will vote for a Mormon over a ‘gentile’ (all non Mormons, even Jews) any day.
See my tagline. I have been there, done that, and know a ‘real’ Mormon from an inactive one.
Ah, but what is in an oath? When do they swear? Age 12? Confirmation? At 18, embarking upon some missionary venture? At age 60? Do they really believe what they once swore? Or is it all just part of custom and heritage.
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The oaths are usually taken between the ages of 19 and 21, either before going on an LDS mission or getting married in the LDS temple. After going through the first time, they go through again several times (sometimes as often as once a week) and re-confirm the oaths as they do the rites as proxy for the dead.
They really do believe it, if they don’t they leave Mormonism and quit wearing the LDS garments. Since only about 25%-30% of LDS worldwide ever take the oaths, it isn’t cultural or custom, it is serious business that is worked hard to earn and to keep (access to the temple through obedience to a strict set of beliefs and rules). Going to the Temple is the highest goal and achievement because it is REQUIRED to get to the Celestial Kingdom (Heaven) since God requires special handshakes and words to get in, and it is also required for them to become Gods themselves one day.
The fact that Romney still wears his ‘temple garments’ is a sign that he still believes the oaths. If you would like, I can post the texts of the oaths that Romney (and other Mormons) took.
But I have never known a Mormon to say “Dammit.”
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I have, even here on FR.
Thanks Mark. :)
Very well said. I am often criticized for speaking out against Mormonism, however I can do nothing else. Not only as a Christian, but because I used to be Mormon and know exactly what they teach. I thank God every day He delivered me from that cult and into the arms of Christ.
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