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Jehovah's Witnesses Governing Body explains why God is Delaying Armageddon
God discussion ^ | 13 Jul 2011 | John Thomas Didymous

Posted on 07/17/2011 1:47:49 AM PDT by Cronos

According to the teaching of the Jehovah's Witnesses, their global evangelical work is the fulfillment of Revelations 7:9...The Jehovah's Witnesses in their teaching, claim that the "Great Crowd" in Revelation refers to ordinary members of the Jehovah's Witnesses organization and that they are different from a special select group of "144000" represented in the present world by the leadership of the Jehovah's Witnesses organization referred to in affected modesty as the "discrete slave class." The special class of 144,000, according to the Governing Body of the Jehovah's Witnesses which sets the doctrines and teachings of the group, will rule as spirit beings with Christ in heaven while the "Great Crowd which no man can count" have no hope of going to heaven but will live forever in paradise on earth under the government of Christ and his "spiritual brothers" that is, the 14,000

According to the Jehovah's Witnesses, Jehovah God has largely completed the gathering of the anointed 144,000 which began with the down-pouring of the holy spirit on Pentecost and members of the Jehovah's Witnesses leadership are the remnant of this specially anointed and privileged group. The present global evangelical work of the Jehovah's Witness is God's program for ingathering of "sheeplike ones" (as distinct from the rest of us "goat-like" ones whom God will destroy in the battle of Armageddon) who will be earthly subjects of God's Kingdom ruling from heaven. Only those who accept the gospel as preached by Jehovah's Witnesses and become part of "Gods visible organization on earth," i.e. the Jehovah's Witnesses, will survive the prophesied Armageddon in which God will destroy all non-Jehovah's witnesses (as it was in the days of Noah so shall it be at Armageddon).

But why is God delaying execution of judgment on us wicked folk for so long? The 1914 Generation which is supposed to see the end of this "wicked system of things" has passed, yet God is withholding his wrath against the stiffnecked majority of humanity who have refused to join themselves to Jehovah and his only true organization on earth.

The Jehovah's Witnesses leadership claims that God has in recent times been speeding up the growth of the Watchtower Society to fulfill the ingathering of "sheeplike ones" from all nations, tongues and races, a "Great Crowd" which no man can count and who will survive Armageddon into God's new paradise on earth. (They make this claim even though statistics show that in recent times the rate of growth of the Jehovah's Witnesses organization has slowed down significantly.) Watchtower Magazine, explains:

JEHOVAH is now speeding up the ingathering of sheeplike ones. Surely, then, this is no time for his people to slow down in their Kingdom-preaching and disciple-making work. (Isaiah 60:8, 22; Matthew 24:14; 28:19, 20) ? Indeed, increased witnessing activity by so many more publishers and pioneers is now stirring up the world field. And the momentum of this joyous ingathering will yet grow.?Isaiah 60:11?
A quick calculation by jwfacts.com website shows, however, just how monstrously faulty the Jehovah's Witnesses excuse for God's delaying of Armageddon really is. According to the site, on the average, more than 200,000 people are born worldwide , but the daily increase in Jehovah's witnesses as at 2005 was only 224 persons. This means that for each day Armageddon delays God will have to destroy approximately an extra 200,000 people.

Surely, Jehovah God would do better to speed up Armageddon and get the gory job done rather than delay endlessly!


TOPICS: Current Events; Other Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: jehovahswitness
knock, knock... Judgement day is Oct 21, 2011. No, make that May 2012, no, Sept 2012, no...
1 posted on 07/17/2011 1:47:54 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

God wants to see my grandchildren.


2 posted on 07/17/2011 1:58:06 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper ("Don't Call My Bluff")
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To: Cronos

You went away and left long time ago
Now your knocking on my door
I hear you knocking
But you can’t come in
I hear you knocking
Go back where you been

I begged you not to go but you said goodbye
Now your telling me all your lies
I hear you knocking
But you can’t come in
I hear you knocking
Go back where you been

You better get back to your used to be
‘Cause your kind of love ain’t good for me
I hear you knocking
But you can’t come in
I hear you knocking
Go back where you been

I told you way back in ‘52
That I would never go with you
I hear you knocking
But you can’t come in
I hear you knocking
Go back where you been


3 posted on 07/17/2011 2:20:59 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Cronos

Well, I’m glad THAT’s settled!


4 posted on 07/17/2011 2:47:31 AM PDT by Mobties (Reduce the government footprint! Let the markets work!)
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To: Cronos

They’re just a bunch of brainwashed, exclusionary bigots who have left a wake of psychologically damaged current and former members. There are 6 very active ex member forums which talk about the emotional, verbal and sometimes even physical and sexual abuse in that church in great detail.

Anybody joining that church in the era of the internet deserves what they get.


5 posted on 07/17/2011 3:19:45 AM PDT by NorthStarStateConservative (From the land where nothing is allowed.)
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To: Cronos; Salamander; Markos33
"Jehovah's Witnesses Governing Body explains why God is Delaying Armageddon"

Because there are still 17 houses (including mine) in this subdivision that haven't let them in yet.
6 posted on 07/17/2011 3:27:25 AM PDT by shibumi (While Pablo was wily, William Blake was even more wilier. But the wiliest of all was Desdinova.)
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To: Cronos

For those who don’t know, Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t believe that the saved go to Heaven when they die. They believe that your souls of the believers sleep until the Lord returns, and then they will be resurrected to live in the New World.

Most Baptists believe, “to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord” 2nd Corinthians 5:8.

One morning, a pair of JW appeared at the doorstep of a good ole boy Baptist friend of mine. They went around and around on a couple Bible verses, when my friend stopped all the talk and said, “Wait, wait. Let me ask you somethin’. If you was to die today, do you know for sure that you’d go go Heaven?”

Well, the JW’s answered immediately in the negative, because that’s what their dogma teaches.

At that, my buddy replied, “Well that’s the first thing you’ve said that I can agree with.”


7 posted on 07/17/2011 4:42:23 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: buccaneer81

I remember the song so well I can hear Fats singing it but I am so tired of seeing people write your when they mean you’re. Your is possessive, you’re is a contraction of you are. Is English not taught any more?


8 posted on 07/17/2011 4:46:44 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a liberal is like teaching algebra to a tomcat.)
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To: RipSawyer

‘zackly.


9 posted on 07/17/2011 5:30:36 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Eh ?)
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To: NorthStarStateConservative

They used to come to my house all the time. Then I was trying on my Whermacht Uniform for a reenactment one sunday morning when they came knocking. They were a little dismayed to see a WW2 German Solider at the door and havent been back since.


10 posted on 07/17/2011 6:19:44 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Cronos

LOL!


11 posted on 07/17/2011 7:26:26 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Cronos

In spite of its many failed prophecies, the Jehovah’s Witness organization teaches that it is the only true religion, and that only its members are true Christians. It claims that no one can learn spiritual truth apart from them. It also teaches that there is salvation only in joining their organization and everyone but Jehovah’s Witnesses will be destroyed at Armageddon.

The Jehovah’s Witnesses organization demands that its members obey and accept, unquestioningly, every command and biblical interpretation given by the organization. The leaders use fear and intimidation to keep members obedient to the organization. The leaders of the Jehovah’s Witnesses have also used their predictions of the end of the world to put fear into the hearts of their followers.


12 posted on 07/17/2011 7:51:09 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Yorlik803
They used to come to my house all the time. Then I was trying on my Whermacht Uniform for a reenactment one sunday morning when they came knocking. They were a little dismayed to see a WW2 German Solider at the door and haven't been back since.

Your post triggered two vignettes:
1) Sitting on my porch in Florida when two young girls are dropped off by a car and come up and start their JW spiel. I ask them if they are witnessing and they say "Yes". I listen for a few minutes and then start my spiel about how I believe in the Twelfth Planet. :-) After a minute or so, with eyes as big as saucers (He's going to change form!") they said "We have to go now." and fled back to the car. Never was bothered again.

Years later in Nevada a knock at the door revealed some guy offering financial advice. I wondered why his eyes got big as he kept stammering and looking at my T-shirt. I looked down and got embarrassed as it was one from the Jews For Firearms Ownership:

(nobody ever read the words, just thought I was pro-Nazi, which is why I never wore it in public.) It was a short interview.

13 posted on 07/17/2011 8:54:09 AM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Oatka

When JWs come to my door, I ask them one question.

Their little “Truth” book admits that the verse in Acts refers to Jesus when it says “there is no other name under Heaven by which man must be saved”. Yet their denomination is based on the verse that says, “whoever shall call upon the name of Jehovah shall be saved.”

So the question is: Either there are two names that can save us, or Jesus and Jehovah are one and the same. Which is it?


14 posted on 07/17/2011 9:28:15 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: Cronos

I have a sister who converted to JW when she married her second husband. She has alienated her two sons and our brother, sisters and mother.


15 posted on 07/17/2011 9:34:09 AM PDT by Jvette
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To: Cronos
Jehovah’s Witnesses Governing Body explains why God is Delaying Armageddon

Because being omniscient sub specie aeternitatis, He already knows it’s a bad idea to light the match in order to retrieve the gerbil.

16 posted on 07/17/2011 9:43:07 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Cronos

Everybody wants to go to Heaven, but nobody wants to die.”

Not exactly a news flash. Ain’t nothin’ ever changes. Y’all be chillin’ now, y’heah? Here’s Albert King:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb-EJEWRxlM&feature=related


17 posted on 07/17/2011 9:59:23 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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To: Jvette

Yeah, one thing i like to talk about when mentioning Jehovah’s Witless folks is the whole “Only 440,000 allowed into heaven spiel”. Especially how much it would suck to be the 440,000th person in heaven having to live an eternity knowing that maybe the 440,001th person accidentally stepped on a bug and now has to be in hell for an eternity.

Living with survivors guilt for an eternity sounds like Hell to me.


18 posted on 07/17/2011 10:01:26 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: shibumi; Markos33

They haven’t been back since I answered the door half naked with two Dobes and a handgun in the 90s.

Sissies.


19 posted on 07/17/2011 12:11:36 PM PDT by Salamander (I'm your pain.)
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To: Godzilla

Indeed, and their false teaching and predictions are well documented. http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/TheBIBLEandSoCalledJEHOVAHS-WITNESSES.html

I asked a JW who was serving them for 19 year year what Rm. 8:9 meant, seeing as only 144k are said to have the Holy Spirit in them, and she said she did not know.

But the WTS is not the only ones who made false predictions:

http://www.ravenswoodbaptist.com/articals/dangerofdatesetting.htm

http://www.catholicplanet.com/future/index.htm

http://www.catholicplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3822


20 posted on 07/17/2011 12:13:30 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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To: Salamander; Markos33
"...half naked with two Dobes and a handgun..."

OK - that'll be about enough with the erotic imagery.
21 posted on 07/17/2011 1:44:31 PM PDT by shibumi (While Pablo was wily, William Blake was even more wilier. But the wiliest of all was Desdinova.)
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To: NorthStarStateConservative; Cronos

Funny, many ex-mos say the same things about Mormonism yet we are the ones called bigots and liars here.

OTOH, I agree with you and say the same thing applies to all cults (LDS included).


22 posted on 07/17/2011 5:20:49 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Yorlik803

LOL.

When I lived in Provo, UT, all my LDS neighbors used to send the JWs over to my house (I was LDS at the time). Now, those were fun conversations!!


23 posted on 07/17/2011 5:23:09 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Godzilla

Geee, where have we heard THAT before? ;)


24 posted on 07/17/2011 5:24:29 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Oatka

ROFL!


25 posted on 07/17/2011 5:26:24 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

Why what ever are you implying ;P


26 posted on 07/17/2011 5:51:26 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla

You know...lol.


27 posted on 07/17/2011 5:53:13 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Godzilla

I don’t know how these people can claim that they are the only true Christians when they don’t even believe that Jesus is the Son of God. They believe that Jesus is just another of God’s creations.


28 posted on 07/17/2011 9:46:03 PM PDT by toothfairy86
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To: count-your-change

ping for your opinion


29 posted on 07/17/2011 10:06:53 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos
The point in time when God would begin executing His judgment was known only to Him said Jesus and I've sen nothing to suggest otherwise.
30 posted on 07/17/2011 10:33:25 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: toothfairy86
I don’t know how these people can claim that they are the only true Christians when they don’t even believe that Jesus is the Son of God. They believe that Jesus is just another of God’s creations.

It goes back to self definition of the terms. Through essentially forms of brain washing, they 'train' the believers to accept their 'truth' as the only truth.

Like mormonism, JW rose from the 'restoration' movement of the early 1800's - each claiming theirs was a 'restoration' of the true church. Yet in both we can see the flawed teachings and outright deceit of its early leadership.

The bible further teaches that people will see those things that tickle their ears - and this religion feeds their egos, allowing them to feel superior.

31 posted on 07/18/2011 8:09:17 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Cronos

those Wacky J-dubs...


32 posted on 07/18/2011 8:14:24 AM PDT by Rightly Biased (Do you know how awkward it is to have a political argument with a naked man?)
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To: toothfairy86; All

More delays - perhaps JWs need to review their history more:

1874: Date for Christ’s “invisible presence,” changed to 1914

1914: End of the world

1915: Replaced 1914 for the end of the world

1918: End of the world, the destruction of churches

1925: End of the world with the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob

1929: “Beth Sarim” House of Princes built in San Diego, deeded to king David and other biblical prophets for their “soon” return upon the earth

1940’s: End of the World would come with the “soon” battle of Armageddon

1975: 6,000-years of human history, the end of the world would come within “months, not years.”

1994: 80-year Generation of 1914 should bring the end of the world, 1995 redefined the word “generation” to be symbolic of general readiness for the end.

They should consider that the Watchtower society’s interpretation of the scriptures is fundamentally flawed with this many errors/false predictions and excuses. Since they have been wrong on these points - how many other points are they wrong on as well?


33 posted on 07/18/2011 8:54:41 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: shibumi

That’s what they said.

;D


34 posted on 07/18/2011 9:08:01 AM PDT by Salamander (I'm your pain.)
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To: buccaneer81

Paul McCartney? “Someone’s knocking at the door, somebody’s ringing the bell...”


35 posted on 07/18/2011 9:10:30 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Cronos

knock, knock... Judgement day is Oct 21, 2011. No, make that May 2012, no, Sept 2012, no...


The great crowd went with Jesus, so i think the Jehovah,s are a little late.


36 posted on 07/18/2011 6:44:04 PM PDT by ravenwolf (Just a bit of the long list of proofs)
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To: All

just over a month to Campings Armageddon day!


37 posted on 09/12/2011 6:11:05 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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