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The Fearful Fathers The Aftermath of The Cloyne Report.
Catholicism Pure and Simple ^ | 7/23/11 | Kathy Sheridan

Posted on 07/24/2011 2:54:35 PM PDT by marshmallow

Although this is a report from the secular press, it highlights the very real costs to the people of Ireland, especially the priests who daily have to defend the what, at times, is almost impossible to defend. Having reported extensively on this over the past weeks, this will probably be the last time we shall post on this subject.

The time now is for healing.

From: The Irish Times

Angry, isolated, paranoid and ageing, many of Ireland’s ‘ordinary’ Catholic priests feel failed and abandoned by the church hierarchy. But where were the ‘good priests’ when they were needed?

THE VOICEMAIL was succinct. “Why don’t you, Mister Hoban, f**k off back to Rome with your nuncio . . . Piss off back to Rome, you f**ked-up celibates.” There were more. “Keep away from my children, you bunch of perverts,” for example.

Fr Brendan Hoban transcribed these voicemails dutifully, along with other parish messages. He reveals the wording after some reluctance. His hesitancy is rooted in the same terror that has sent most priests deep into their parish bunkers this week, the terror of appearing to place the anguish of their own tattered, lonely souls above the suffering of the victims of clerical abuse.

So last week, when the Cloyne report was crashing into the public consciousness, Hoban, the 63-year-old parish priest of Ballina, Co Mayo, would have returned to the empty parochial house, heard the messages and told no one. Then he would have repaired to his icy livingroom, where the sleeping bag on the armchair and the little plug-in radiator bear testament to the mean summer temperature of the ugly, soulless house he calls home.

Meanwhile, Enda Kenny was launching an unprecedented, historic attack on the Vatican in Dáil Éireann, accusing it of downplaying or “managing” the rape and torture............

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: diplomacy; ireland; romancatholicism; vatican
But the paranoia has also infected the priests’ day-to-day pastoral work. “A woman comes to the door who may have psychiatric problems . . . What do I do? Take a chance by letting her into my front room? There is no doubt that priests have withdrawn, that they’ve become ultracareful and ultrasensitive on how they might be compromised.”

It's a lawyer win-win.

Look forward to a whole new type of lawsuit....." I came to the priest seeking assistance and he turned me away............"

1 posted on 07/24/2011 2:54:36 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

I didn’t know I could sue for that. I called my pastor every other day for a month seeking help before giving up. Three months later, I was desperate enough to tell the whole story to the parish secretary who finally got me an appointment.

2 posted on 07/24/2011 3:09:58 PM PDT by nina0113
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To: marshmallow

It’s sad the church ended up in this mess. I hate to see good and innocent priests suffer from the sins comitted by those around them like this. The spirit of child abuse is especially ravishing to the soul and it flourished in the church for too long.

3 posted on 07/24/2011 3:33:20 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: marshmallow
Behind all this is the reality of a laity that is voting with its feet. “That’s the other unspoken thing,” Hoban says. “Our ability to speak to their needs is problematic. We don’t have the ability or the connection to speak out of their world. And that’s the result of celibacy, formation and the loneliness of the ministry.”

Interesting choice of blame. I know many priests who have lived their lives as celibates with joy, and happiness in doing God's work, without the distractions of dealing with their own families. But from dealing with the day to day problems of families in their Parishes, they've learned much about how to deal with their problems.

I think the comment of one of the priests, somewhat denigrating to the younger, more 'conservative' priests, is instructive. He seems to believe that only the Vatican II priests can solve this, seemingly completely oblivious to the fact that it was Vatican II priests who were the perpetrators of much of the abuse.

4 posted on 07/24/2011 7:03:57 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

I dare say the good father may have a point.

A man without first hand knowledge of cultural family dynamics is left to the questionable recommendations of “pop” sociology for guidance in providing family and marital council.

This is not to say celebacy is inappropriate. Only that it carries inherent pastoral weaknesses the Church is not addressing.

This was recently brought home to me when my non-catholic wife and pastor ganged up on me for my “intolerance” toward homosexuality.

Mind you, this intolerance was not manifest by any action on my part.... Just my insistence on maintaining the practice was inherently sinful.

I only wish I had kept the presence of mind to ask either of them how they expect to communicate to my daughter that homosexuality is wrong while expending so much effort listing caveats assuring homosexuals don’t feel uncomfortable, let alone mistreated.

5 posted on 07/24/2011 7:35:30 PM PDT by papertyger
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"This was recently brought home to me when my non-catholic wife and pastor ganged up on me for my “intolerance” toward homosexuality."

Tough, tough situation man. I'm with you.

6 posted on 07/24/2011 7:42:35 PM PDT by AGreatPer (Support the troops. Every Friday night at Walter Reed.)
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The ironic thing is our DRE, a longtime married man with strong background in marriage counciling, set up the meeting with Father.

He understood exactly where I was coming from.

But when the wife and I sat down with father, I felt like he was trying to find “common ground” between the cop and the robber!

He then proceeded to send us to a female councelor, whose eyes lit up like a pinball machine when she heard the magic word “anger.”

7 posted on 07/24/2011 8:09:05 PM PDT by papertyger
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How do you explain then the MARRIED minister who would push the same argument as your wife and your pastor, as many seem to do, today? He would have that first hand knowledge of those family dynamics, yet would still be in the same place as your, unmarried, presumably celibate, pastor.

8 posted on 07/24/2011 9:50:25 PM PDT by SuziQ
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How do you explain then the MARRIED minister who would push the same argument as your wife and your pastor, as many seem to do, today?

I don't.

Please do not mistake the example for the issue for which we were meeting. I believe my priest is deferring to popular culture in a matter on which he has insufficient training, as well as no native experience.

i expect he would perfectly capable of correctly articulating the Church's more esoteric positions, regardless of how out of the mainstream they were.

I have little reason to believe the married minister is similarly insulated from pop culture.

9 posted on 07/24/2011 11:18:04 PM PDT by papertyger
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Perhaps the easier way is to expand on the Anglican Ordinariate -- making it a full rite which allows married priests, just like all the other non-Latin Catholic rites.

There are places (like diocesan priests) where I see married priests as having some value (and also pitfalls like gossip about the nice dress the priest's wife is wearing and how are his kids acting, etc. etc.), and others like in on-field missionary work where celibacy would be invaluable.

10 posted on 07/25/2011 3:28:35 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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