Skip to comments.New York Bishop Orders Gay Clergy to Marry [Episcopal]
Posted on 07/25/2011 7:34:16 AM PDT by marshmallow
Long Island Episcopal Bishop Lawrence Provenzano has put his foot down against gay clergy who residing in homosexual relationships, and has given a nine month deadline for them to either get married or stop living together, according to the News Observer.
I need to be mindful that the church has always asked people to live in committed monogamous, faithful relationships. I wont allow heterosexual clergy to live in a rectory or church housing without the benefit of marriage. When one puts it in that context, then you see how it all begins to make sense, said Provenzano.
Reverend Christopher Hofer, pastor of the Episcopal Church of St. Jude agrees with Provenzano, I think his statement was not only fair, but beyond generous. It gives people time, acknowledging that theres a financial component involved and recognizing that some may not choose to live together.
Now that the state is recognizing civil marriage, we as priests, perhaps deacons too, who are in committed relationships, have a choice: we either live what we preach to become civilly married or we live apart, he said.
According to SRN news, no other Episcopal dioceses in states with same-gender marriage have set an explicit deadline for gay clergy to marry their live in partners.
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He sure has staked out the high moral ground there.
It's not just a good idea.
It's THE LAW!
How naive. Most of them have “open” “marriages.” The reprehensible Dan Savage (he of the licking doorknobs of conservatives when he is sick) has written a little screed about heteros getting with the program and having open marriage as well!
So does the Episcopal Church allow homosexual marriage? I guess I’m behind the times. I didn’t think that any recognized mainstream denomination allowed homosexual marriage, or homosexual partnerships in any way. When did all of this happen?
Interesting. Gay rights have consequences. Now they’re going to have to work hard to make gay divorce easier and more painless, since it’s OK now for even a bishop to get divorced and remarried in the Episcopal Church.
Any “church” with homosexual leaders is no church. It is a social club run as a business disguised as a church.
I find this gay marriage, gay clergy business just so sick. Maybe all the blatant immorality and the irreversible social and financial downward spiral portend a new dark age to just ‘clear the buffers’. It has happened before. We just seem to have no power to right our listing bark.
Wow. Way to take a stand there dude. /s
What a surprise when they moral leaders of that church find out that the fudge-packers don't want to get married - they just want to bugger evertything in sight.
They'll have to rethink that whole “gays are just like you and me” theory they've been promoting.
Now that the state is recognizing civil marriage, we as priests, perhaps deacons too, who are in committed relationships, have a choice: we either live what we preach to become civilly married or we live apart, he said.”
Statist slaves. If one thinks that gay marriage is possible, why wait for the gubberment’s seal of approval before you begin to allow or require gays to be married?
“Sorry Rev. Dave and Steven, but we couldn’t recognize your relationship as a marriage before the state gave us permission to do so... We hold what the state thinks about the subject as being more important than what our faith teaches about the subject.”
How can people who ignore major parts of the Bible and rewrite it claim to be “Christian”? All Christian Bibles say the same thing and you never glorify sin and corrupt the young and impressionable and sexually confuse them at ages where they are trying to make sense of the world. It perverts their worldview and destroys common sense and reason.
We live in America—”Right Reason according to Nature” is the fundamental philosophy which permeates the Constitution—Natural Rights come from Natural Law Theory and God’s laws. Can they not read?
>>They’ll have to rethink that whole gays are just like you and me theory they’ve been promoting.<<
Too late for that. No one would dare to propose that being gay is different from being heterosexual.
Are you being sarcastic?
“Brothers and sisters in Christ, I have good news and I have bad news.
“The good news is that now, in the eyes of the State of New York, you’re just like everybody else.
“The bad news is that now, in the eyes of the State of New York, you’re just like everybody else. Get those certificates in soon, now.”
And how do they propose to enforce their edict, having themselves disemboweled their canons?
And folks wonder why more and more Episcopal congregations are converting enmasse to Roman Catholicism?
Actually, many of the Episcopalians I know are ex-Catholics including several priests. They are more into bible study.
Is this from The Onion?
I dunno... Maybe stomp their feet petulantly, then hold their breath until their faces turn blue?
Van Winkle, Rip? Your table is ready.
Hey I guess I’m behind the times on this “gay” clergy thing.
But I keep up with the modern world. I got a push button phone, and I got me one of them “VCR” things last year to tape TV shows. I even got a clock radio which has both AM and FM stations. How about that??
speaking of radio, I gotta check to see what time Arthur Godfrey and Earl Nightingale come on...............
Well, NO, actually! Some ex-Catholics like the fellowship that they find in Episcopal churches.
Yeah, I just bet they do.
Are you always so snarky? Would you like the word “sisterhood” or “friendship” or “warm feeling of community” better?
Only when called for.
Would you like the word sisterhood or friendship or warm feeling of community better?
There are better places to get that than a "church" that embraces homosexuality.
I don’t believe that it “embraces” homosexuality - it embraces its congregants, some of whom, just happen to be gay and I am not a fan of the gay life style. Did you not hear of the book and film “The Fellowship of the Ring”? Do you think that the Hobbits are gay? There is always the possibility that church membership helps people to walk the straight and narrow.
Some people thought that I was nuts when I predicted that it would become mandatory. I think that these idiots have taken a step towards that.
Wrong. They ordained their first openly homosexual priest in 1977. That's shameful AND it IS embracing homosexuality.
Luther did....Calvin did....Wesley did....Henry VIII did...Zwingley did....Eddy did....Smith did
They changed it but they didn’t lie about the change and at the very least renamed what they called themselves.....and did not identify as a Catholic.
why change it???They felt that they cpould do a better interpretation than did the 1,500 year old Catholic church which had actually preserved the bible for us by hand copying it through the ages.....pathetic
Why do people “change” anything.....they think they are “god” and know everything—certainly more than a lowly mind such as St. Thomas Aquinas.
Human nature is what it is....and it hasn’t changed since Eve. Deceit and pride is here to stay, I am afraid.
My posts basically say the same thing....Nature Law Theory does not evolve...it never changes...(it is the MO of marxists/atheists/progressives/pagans/whoever they call themselves now to deny that nature of man which presupposes a Intelligent Designer....there is no Universal Truth....No right and wrong....other than what marx says is right....We are now in the “Age of Relativism” which will destroy civilization as we know it....it will kill off Truth and with that...Trust...the most essential aspect of civil society.
It is what destroyed Russia and China—lack of Trust—and destroys families—and really destroys the emotional development of children. Makes freedom impossible and happiness obsolete.