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Ann Coulter vs. Fr. Albert
Creative Minority Report ^ | July 28, 2011 | MATTHEW ARCHBOLD

Posted on 07/28/2011 3:37:09 PM PDT by NYer

Fr. Albert Cutie taking the easy way once again, agreeing with everyone in the room for his show rather than facing a hard truth. And Ann Coulter, in her always kind manner, dropping the "Who's the Christian here?" on him. Oof.

Fr. Cutie was a priest who had his own talk show and was kind of a big deal until he got caught on the beach with a woman (if you know what I mean). Then, he left the priesthood and joined the Episcopal Church, I believe, where he's resumed his road to stardom and publicly criticized the Catholic Church for its rules about celibacy.

Ann is right in that children do better with mothers and fathers. That's not an attack on single mothers. It's a fact that our culture doesn't want to accept but it's a fact nonetheless.

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Fr. Alberto Cutie

For those visiting this thread,Father Alberto left the Roman Catholic Church two years ago over ideological differences and to marry the woman he loved. Cutie is now an Episcopal minister. On this program, he takes Ann Coulter to task for defending the right of a child to have both a mother and a father.

1 posted on 07/28/2011 3:37:11 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

God bless Ann Coulter for defending the rights of children!


2 posted on 07/28/2011 3:38:20 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

Father Cutie. What a name! We’re lucky, I suppose, that he left the priesthood to marry a grown woman. In the immortal words of Curtis Sliwa: disgrazia!


3 posted on 07/28/2011 4:07:17 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Casey Anthony is guilty as hell)
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To: NYer
Too bad there are so few conservative MEN out there willing to put themselves in the firing line of leftist trash like this, and take a stand...by standing your ground on issues which are directly responsible for bringing down this country.

Don't agree with her 100% of the time, but admire her tenacity, especially when she's willing to throw herself into the lions den(The View, Bill Maher, CNN, MSNBC, etc.)

How many other(self described)conservatives are willing to go one-on-one with these parasites....let alone one-on-50/100 such as this audience of rabid jackals.

Sure, she's selling a book...but risking her career(not to mention her life)by not backing down to the clown class...in their own house....puts her in a class above the other "talking point", "talking head", "culture warriors"....in my book.

Stay strong Ann....TRUTH is on your side.

4 posted on 07/28/2011 4:23:38 PM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery, IXNAY THE TSA!)
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To: NYer

What an evil “Father” to advocate for an “artificial” environment for a human being—a child who needs both a mother and a father to model ones formative years so that they are able to flourish as God designed them to do.

He must be an atheist, and think he is god, and think that biology and genetics mean absolutely nothing in God’s creation—for there is NO design in human nature according to this uneducated fraud who understands nothing about child development.

Those ugly “single” mothers on TV are so ignorant and full of pride and so rude and ugly to MS Coulter, it is telling.....Fr. Fraud thinks like those illiterate immoral, selfish mom’s who have no concern about the future of society and the emotional health of their offspring.

He is an absolute fraud....when all prisoners and dysfunctional people in the world have deep-seeded issues with abandonment or abuse by one of both biological parents prove how essential both mother and father are to the developmental health of children.

A parent will not be perfect—that is why God designed two—to balance out the kid’s development and teach and model relationship with all people, not just half of the population. This Marxist view of redesigning the family is evil and destructive to children.

No wonder he left the church...he could not grasp the simple logic and reason and science in Catholic Theology.


5 posted on 07/28/2011 4:29:44 PM PDT by savagesusie (Virtue is a habit of the mind, consistent with nature and moderation and reason. Cicero)
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To: NYer

Just as a matter of passing interest, Anders Behring Breivik was raised by a single mother, after his parents divorced while he was still a young child.

So you can see just how horribly bad a child raised in a one-parent household may turn out. Possibly, the guy would have been just as screwed up if BOTH parents had been on hand, but authority would have been established much earlier.

Some of them go feral right in the house.


6 posted on 07/28/2011 4:34:53 PM PDT by alloysteel (Are Democrats truly "better angels"? They are lousy stewards for America.)
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To: savagesusie

PS....I think he is really ugly—with braced-teethy-look and horsey length face....not that it matters—except the “cutie” is misleading.

His lack of soul shows through the fake teeth configuration of that fake unintellectual looking “smile”. He looks plastic and fake....maybe that is why he advocates and is promoting dysfunction and a “fake” type of family structure which denies children their God-given human design.

But that is liberalism....that inability to differentiate “good” from “evil”.

Guess he is truly evil then.


7 posted on 07/28/2011 4:37:57 PM PDT by savagesusie (Virtue is a habit of the mind, consistent with nature and moderation and reason. Cicero)
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To: RckyRaCoCo
"Too bad there are so few conservative MEN out there willing to put themselves in the firing line of leftist trash like this, and take a stand...by standing your ground on issues which are directly responsible for bringing down this country."

Stinkin, no-good MEN!

8 posted on 07/28/2011 4:54:58 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: NYer

I love the woman in the clip that wants to “hurt” Ann, then goes on to say that she is great “parents” to her daughter. She works and goes to school.

When is it that she “parents” her child?

This is a huge conservative problem too.
How many conservative parents have a daughter that gets pregnant and keep that baby? We need to think about adoption for us too.


9 posted on 07/28/2011 4:57:28 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: RckyRaCoCo; GourmetDan

>>How many other(self described)conservatives are willing to go one-on-one with these parasites....let alone one-on-50/100 such as this audience of rabid jackals.<<

I’ve seen Andrew Breitbart do it many a time.
He’s a man. A fine looking one too.


10 posted on 07/28/2011 4:59:53 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: NYer

I just saw this guy on TV last week. Knew nothing about him as I do not watch daytime TV. Interesting to find out he is a defrocked Roman Catholic priest. My impression was that he was a gay Catholic priest. He sure sounded gay. Plus, he dresses exactly like a Roman Catholic priest which I presume is an attempt to fool viewers. Just one more vile POS that the Catholic Church is well rid of.


11 posted on 07/28/2011 5:14:15 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: NYer

Mr. Cutie did not LEAVE the priesthood because of ideological differences and to marry the woman that he loved.

Mr. Cutie was REMOVED from the priesthood because he was having an adulterous affair with a married woman.

No doubt Mr. Cutie is very happy with the Episcopal Church, since it celebrates sexual license.


12 posted on 07/28/2011 5:15:33 PM PDT by PanzerKardinal (Some things are so idiotic only an intellectual would believe it.)
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13 posted on 07/28/2011 5:28:07 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: NYer

Go Ann, Go!


14 posted on 07/28/2011 5:44:55 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: PanzerKardinal
Mr. Cutie did not LEAVE the priesthood because of ideological differences and to marry the woman that he loved. Mr. Cutie was REMOVED from the priesthood because he was having an adulterous affair with a married woman. No doubt Mr. Cutie is very happy with the Episcopal Church, since it celebrates sexual license.


15 posted on 07/28/2011 5:49:27 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: PanzerKardinal
Mr. Cutie did not LEAVE the priesthood because of ideological differences and to marry the woman that he loved. Mr. Cutie was REMOVED from the priesthood because he was having an adulterous affair with a married woman. No doubt Mr. Cutie is very happy with the Episcopal Church, since it celebrates sexual license.


16 posted on 07/28/2011 5:49:32 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: PanzerKardinal
Mr. Cutie did not LEAVE the priesthood because of ideological differences and to marry the woman that he loved. Mr. Cutie was REMOVED from the priesthood because he was having an adulterous affair with a married woman. No doubt Mr. Cutie is very happy with the Episcopal Church, since it celebrates sexual license.


17 posted on 07/28/2011 5:49:32 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: PanzerKardinal

Because that was a great post.


18 posted on 07/28/2011 5:50:52 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: NYer

As long as easy divorce is legal, children won’t have the right to have both a mother and a father. But few voices will touch this issue.


19 posted on 07/28/2011 6:44:59 PM PDT by TheDingoAteMyBaby
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To: NYer

**Ann is right in that children do better with mothers and fathers.**

God bless Ann Coulter. I hope she roasted him.


20 posted on 07/28/2011 7:06:17 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: savagesusie
No wonder he left the church...he could not grasp the simple logic and reason and science in Catholic Theology.

More than likely he just couldn't or wouldn't keep his vows. He decided that chastity wan't for him. Then he noticed there was a TV spot that had been vacated by Jerry Springer so he grabbed it.

That clip is all I have seen of him but I would classify him as a narcissist. That is in harmony with your opinion that he just doesn't get the truth of the Scriptures. Narcissism and Christianity are anathema. The Original Sin saw to that.

21 posted on 07/28/2011 7:10:59 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (I retain the right to be inconsistent, contradictory and even flat-out wrong!)
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To: NYer

Three things that this priest needs to ponder....again and again.

Three Things

Three things in life that can destroy a person:
1. Anger
2. Pride
3. Unforgiveness

Three things in life you should never lose:
1. Hope
2. Peace
3. Honesty

Three things in life that are most valuable:
1. Love
2. Family & Friends
3. Kindness

Three things in life that are never certain:
1. Fortune
2. Success
3. Dreams

Three things that make a person:
1. Commitment
2. Sincerity
3. Hard work

Three things that are truly constant:

Father - Son - Holy Spirit

Three things in life that, once gone, never come back:
1. Time
2. Words
3. Opportunity


22 posted on 07/28/2011 7:12:22 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer
I sure hope this priest doesn't think he's doing these women in his audience a favor by siding with the glorification of unwed mothering. Of course, Ann was right that the very BEST way to bring up children is within a stable, married mother and father home. There really should be no argument about that. Ann also wasn't denigrating those who raised children on their own to be law-abiding and honorable citizens, she was stating an obvious fact that the vast majority of criminals in this country come from single mother environments. The ideal is, and always has been, a two-parent home for children to be raised in.
23 posted on 07/28/2011 7:17:16 PM PDT by boatbums ( God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: NYer

But wasn’t Fr. Alberto Cutie part of ‘the Magisterium’, ‘the ultimate authority’, ‘wise and holy’ and ‘vetted pretty thoroughly’?

Was this woman the only place he was practicing YOPIOS?


24 posted on 07/28/2011 7:20:52 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: netmilsmom

Andrew Breitbart looks too much like Kiefer Sutherland for my taste, but I love his mind.

And Ann Coulter has all the nerve I wish I had ... but I have all the babies, so it works out ;-).


25 posted on 07/28/2011 7:23:16 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Do you know why I love reptiles? It's because they don't play guitars.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
It appeared like his audience was all young women. I imagine they have a “Thornbirds” crush on him. He's in his element, it seems.
26 posted on 07/28/2011 7:41:18 PM PDT by boatbums ( God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: PanzerKardinal
Mr. Cutie was REMOVED from the priesthood because he was having an adulterous affair with a married woman.

His sin was in having consensual sex with an adult woman to whom he was not married. She was married to someone else PLUS Cutie was in a covenant agreement with the Catholic Church and took vows of celibacy. He broke his vows and she broke hers. I agree with his church in removing him from the priesthood.

What I don't agree with nor understand is how priests and bishops involved in criminal child sexual abuse got to keep their jobs and were moved around to different parishes where they continued to sexually abuse children. Shouldn't these men have received at least the same discipline as Cutie? I see some hypocrisy here.

27 posted on 07/28/2011 7:52:54 PM PDT by boatbums ( God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Salvation

I’ll add to that. Three ways in which Satan trips up men in ministry:

1. Message
2. Money
3. Maidens


28 posted on 07/28/2011 7:56:22 PM PDT by boatbums ( God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Yes. He is the epitome of someone who is only interested in the here and now and doesn’t care about the state of his soul at all—in fact, he sold his soul for worldly pleasure and fame. It is quite obvious that he sold out to the devil.


29 posted on 07/28/2011 8:30:07 PM PDT by savagesusie (Virtue is a habit of the mind, consistent with nature and moderation and reason. Cicero)
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To: MarkBsnr

Love your remark and graphics. Ah....if everyone just had some of your talent and wisdom.....and some of your common sense. Mr. Cutie could sure use that along with some ethics.


30 posted on 07/28/2011 8:33:32 PM PDT by savagesusie (Virtue is a habit of the mind, consistent with nature and moderation and reason. Cicero)
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To: boatbums

Love your three M’s.....but add a slash after Maidens and put Men. There are a lot of people in high places that are sodomites and pushing for a correction in the Bible— that homosexual acts are a “good” and not a sin.


31 posted on 07/28/2011 8:38:46 PM PDT by savagesusie (Virtue is a habit of the mind, consistent with nature and moderation and reason. Cicero)
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To: boatbums

The Left has infiltrated all our cultural sources and the church is not excluded. How high up it goes is anybody’s guess. What about that clown who visits Jeremiah Wright’s church? Geoffrey Feiger? He is a flaming communists, also.

The Catholic Church and the Communists Party share so much in common, such as a top-down command structure. Communism is also a religion, a godless religion. There are similarities in many other areas. The Communists lie about wanting to help the poor where the church is sincere. However, the Communist intent is to discredit the church and I suspect they have a big hand in that. it is easy to corrupt the church if you are a lying pretender like most Communists are.


32 posted on 07/28/2011 8:50:54 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (I retain the right to be inconsistent, contradictory and even flat-out wrong!)
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To: boatbums

I think the Church understands the grave error now-—it did tremendous damage to the body of the Church and their pocketbook.

In the 70’s there was a huge push by the “gay” mafia to take homosexuality off of the mental illness list and give the behavior a pass—treat it as normal. There would have been grave criticism of the church were they sanctioning all these homosexual priests and kicking them out. They were told to “counsel” them and that the “homosexuality” is not evil, per say and these “homosexual” priests were an exception (instead of the rule since they were probably abused as boys and repeating the behavior done to them).

Psychiatrists in Europe and in America are owned by the homosexual lobby and part of making the activity normal, starts with the medical community which was bought and controlled by the 80’s.

I am sure the Catholic Church was being “advised” by psychiatrists that this behavior wouldn’t occur again except in the instance where the Bishops were homosexual and saw nothing wrong with it.

Catholic Church would do a great service to humanity if they would compile the childhoods of all the homosexual priests and document the abuse done to them, because homosexuality is a learned behavior and the Church could prove it and end the genetic myth that makes people “think” it is normal human behavior. It is not....just like the homosexual culture of the Greeks sodomizing boys...was learned and way of life. Even their gods were depicted in sodomy with boys.


33 posted on 07/28/2011 9:02:04 PM PDT by savagesusie (Virtue is a habit of the mind, consistent with nature and moderation and reason. Cicero)
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To: All; NYer
I do not know every case of a single parent. But I use to work with some male bums who go from one girl knocked up to the next. Then come in with picture of kids like he is a real father to them. They used get money when they declared they did not know who the father of the child. It would make my blood boil. I would ask on our salary how this can be. They were all on welfare.

When Guilani came in as Mayor he had all womem with children taken off welfare unless they report who is the father. The 1 million welfare mother became 350,000. also a lot more fraud was found by people getting more than one checks. That stopped too.

34 posted on 07/28/2011 9:14:58 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: boatbums

Of course anyone who has done wrong should be punished. But this in no way mitigates the guilt of Mr. Cutie.

I find your hypocrisy statement interesting. So because others aren’t punish then none should be punished?

Using this analogy, if some murders are not punished then no murders should be punished?

Are you making the argument that only when perfect justice is achieved then only justice may be wrought?


35 posted on 07/28/2011 9:25:11 PM PDT by PanzerKardinal (Some things are so idiotic only an intellectual would believe it.)
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To: savagesusie
I am sure the Catholic Church was being “advised” by psychiatrists that this behavior wouldn’t occur again except in the instance where the Bishops were homosexual and saw nothing wrong with it.

You are correct. And those Bishops once they are dead will burn in the hottest fires of hell -- the road to hell is lined with the skulls of failed bishops.

The those "priests" are burning with them. Such is the fate of sub-shepherds who do not lead Christ's flock properly

36 posted on 07/28/2011 10:14:49 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

rot, even Calvin’s Geneva, the Anglican kings, Lutheran kings etc. had a top-down command structure. Are/were they the same as the communists?


37 posted on 07/28/2011 10:16:36 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos
rot, even Calvin’s Geneva, the Anglican kings, Lutheran kings etc. had a top-down command structure. Are/were they the same as the communists?

Rot, yourself, Cronos. I am tired and grumpy so don't get me on your ass! I made no attempt to make a comprehensive list of the similarities. I only pointed out a couple or three. My doing that in no way said that all who had similar attributes were also undermining the church. However, in the top down structure department I would assume they are all the same in that particular way.

Do you dispute that the Communists have infiltrated the church? Have you read Communists Goals? If not, here are a few of them for you.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

What is your opinion of Fr Geoffrey Feiger? What about all the black preachers who are teaching Communism as Christianity and calling it Black Liberation Theology? What about all the cases, past and present, of sexual abuse in the Catholic Church? Do you think those are all just fallen priests or is it possible many are impostors sent just to destroy the church? Why are so few driven from the church?

Now get your disagreeable self away from me, hopefully smarter.

38 posted on 07/28/2011 11:27:18 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (I retain the right to be inconsistent, contradictory and even flat-out wrong!)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
And rot to you too -- if you're tired and grumpy then go and work out instead of making incorrect comparisons

Go and educate yourself -- what is your opinion of the police state of Calvin in Geneva? Or the Calvinist dictatorship that was Prussia -- the Prussian culture of death which is what led to WWI and II

39 posted on 07/28/2011 11:59:28 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Black Liberation Theology -- I don't care -- this was started in the Southern Baptist Church. I'm not black nor a Southern Baptist. If you want to amend your statement to compare various kinds of religious organizations to communism, then go ahead.
40 posted on 07/29/2011 12:03:00 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos

At 2:00 AM I am unlikely to workout.

I have no opinion about the police state of Calvin in Geneva nor the other Prussian stuff. Of those I am blissfully ignorant.

Yet, I stand by what I said about Communism and the Catholic Church today. Just so you understand, I was simply saying that there are similarities in structure but that the Communists are trying to destroy the church. I also said that there were other similarities but that the Communist are lying and the church is sincere. For you to jump on that statement and call it “rot” is a surprise to me because it is obviously true. I attempted to show you that but you seem determined to hang onto your “rot” statement.

So be it. I am going to bed but God bless you, anyway.


41 posted on 07/29/2011 12:09:45 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (I retain the right to be inconsistent, contradictory and even flat-out wrong!)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
"The Catholic Church and the Communists Party share so much in common, such as a top-down command structure."

Yeah, and that sort of "command structure" contradicts II Robot, Chapter 4 Verse 8 which reads:"

And thus spake Robot saying,"Oh ye sheep, to each his own. My Sheep shall vote and those sheep who vote one way shall have a flock and those who vote the other way shall have a flock as well. For each sheep is a shepherd unto itself and each word in My Word is for each flock a different Word. For my sheep shall boast one to another each keeping whatever word they wish and casting those they care not for aside lest any follow me for it is right that sheep moon-walk to their own destruction.".

Clearly, any sheep who can swallow a chubby German heretic whole and never vomit it back out of their mouth can surely make their own personal sheep word from The Word rather than bearing the cross of His Word which says His sheep need shepherds, not that His sheep are shepherds.

42 posted on 07/29/2011 12:22:50 AM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is insane but kept medicated and on golf courses to hide it)
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To: GourmetDan
But wasn’t Fr. Alberto Cutie part of ‘the Magisterium’, ‘the ultimate authority’, ‘wise and holy’ and ‘vetted pretty thoroughly’?

One man alone is not the Magisterium. Even guys like St. Augustine got it wrong on occasion.

Was this woman the only place he was practicing YOPIOS?

He had departed from the Faith long before he was engaged with her.

43 posted on 07/29/2011 5:49:39 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: boatbums
His sin was in having consensual sex with an adult woman to whom he was not married. She was married to someone else PLUS Cutie was in a covenant agreement with the Catholic Church and took vows of celibacy. He broke his vows and she broke hers. I agree with his church in removing him from the priesthood.

Very good.

What I don't agree with nor understand is how priests and bishops involved in criminal child sexual abuse got to keep their jobs and were moved around to different parishes where they continued to sexually abuse children. Shouldn't these men have received at least the same discipline as Cutie? I see some hypocrisy here.

Agreed. That is one of the pre-eminent tasks of the immediate last and current Pope: to deal with this situation. You have no idea how much I poured into the intercessory prayers last Sunday about the replacement of Rigali by Chaput, and what I offer up to the congregation each week. One of my friends said that somebody else in church remarked to her about the fact that I knew so much about what was going on in the Church. Even our Padre regularly talks to me about what's going on.

No excuses. And nobody, but nobody in this entire diocese will mess with my kids. It's not everyone that will stand up in a public and televised meeting with the Bishop and call him a non Catholic in the company of the non Catholic USCCB, and demand to know why I should send any of my kids to the seminary in his diocese.

44 posted on 07/29/2011 5:58:10 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr
"One man alone is not the Magisterium."

Never said he was. Responding to statements that weren't made only fools those who aren't paying attention. Look again.

"But wasn’t Fr. Alberto Cutie part of ‘the Magisterium’, ‘the ultimate authority’, ‘wise and holy’ and ‘vetted pretty thoroughly’?"

"He had departed from the Faith long before he was engaged with her."

So he had 'departed from the Faith' while he was still part of ‘the Magisterium’, ‘the ultimate authority’, ‘wise and holy’ and ‘vetted pretty thoroughly’?

45 posted on 07/29/2011 6:15:12 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: savagesusie
Love your remark and graphics. Ah....if everyone just had some of your talent and wisdom.....and some of your common sense. Mr. Cutie could sure use that along with some ethics.

You are far too kind. I'm sure that I just post what most people are actually thinking, but I can type fairly quickly. And Google Image is my friend.

Mr. Cutie is following the god that he sees in the mirror...

46 posted on 07/29/2011 6:18:04 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: GourmetDan
"One man alone is not the Magisterium."

Never said he was. Responding to statements that weren't made only fools those who aren't paying attention. Look again.

Okay.

"He had departed from the Faith long before he was engaged with her."

So he had 'departed from the Faith' while he was still part of ‘the Magisterium’, ‘the ultimate authority’, ‘wise and holy’ and ‘vetted pretty thoroughly’?

Part of the Magisterium? Sure - a very minor part, being a priest only, but he disqualified himself as it turns out.

The ultimate authority? Not on his own.

Wise and holy? It seems that he departed from those ways.

Vetted pretty thoroughly? He was. Then he departed from the conditions that were conducive to vetting.

People change their minds, after all. Some fall into complete heresy like Marcion or Pelagius. Some merely stray and then come back, like Augustine.

47 posted on 07/29/2011 6:47:01 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr
"Part of the Magisterium? Sure - a very minor part, being a priest only, but he disqualified himself as it turns out."

OK, so he had 'departed from the Faith' while he was still part of ‘the Magisterium’, ‘the ultimate authority’, ‘wise and holy’ and ‘vetted pretty thoroughly’?

Apparently there is an underlying assumption that those like him who are still part of 'the Magisterium' but have 'departed from the Faith' are either ultimately discovered or inconsequential to 'the Faith'?

48 posted on 07/29/2011 7:08:27 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan
Apparently there is an underlying assumption that those like him who are still part of 'the Magisterium' but have 'departed from the Faith' are either ultimately discovered or inconsequential to 'the Faith'?

One of the things that we understand from Scripture and the examples of the Apostles is that fallible men can follow infallible God.

49 posted on 07/29/2011 7:29:00 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr
"One of the things that we understand from Scripture and the examples of the Apostles is that fallible men can follow infallible God."

Another thing that we understand from Scripture is that fallible men can corrupt the Faith and fall away from an infallible God, so that argument isn't definitive support for any kind of 'Magisterium'.

So again, we are back to the underlying assumption that fallible men who have 'departed from the Faith' and are still part of 'the ultimate authority of the Magisterium' are either ultimately discovered or inconsequential to 'the Faith'.

Any news on how Scripture can only be authoritative where it assigns ultimate authority to 'the Magisterium' who then serve as the 'ultimate authority' for interpreting the rest of Scripture?

50 posted on 07/29/2011 8:48:01 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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