Skip to comments.Has Warren Jeffs turned his trial into a sermon on polygamy?
Posted on 07/30/2011 3:22:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
In a single dramatic hour Friday, the course of the San Angelo, Texas, trial against polygamous sect leader Warren Jeffs might have changed course.
With a rambling outburst that included a malediction against the prosecutors, a defense of polygamy, and direct quotes from "the Lord God," Jeffs broke his prolonged silence in the trial, then continued to interrupt proceedings throughout the rest of the day.
The outbursts could merely be a continuation of Mr. Jeffs's apparent legal tactic: delay. But they also have also effectively turned the courtroom into a pulpit for the leader of the breakaway Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who is now representing himself in the proceedings.
"No longer is it really a trial. He just wanted an occasion to give a sermon," Laurie Levenson, professor at the Loyola Law School, told CBS News.
Jeffs is charged with sexually assaulting two underage girls. If convicted, he could receive life in prison. He has claimed that, as the head of his church, he has the constitutional right to practice his own religion, which includes polygamy. The mainstream Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, also known as the Mormon church, repudiated polygamy more than a century ago.....
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I think we are denying him his lifestyle choice. I mean, we need to enact marriage equality. Without marriage equality, we can see this poor inter-generational polygamist family being split up by discrimination against their lifestyle. I mean, isn’t it time we recognize all lifestyle choices as equal? If you don’t, you’re worse than Hitler.
Yes, that was sarcasm.
The judge should have kicked his ass out of the courtroom for Contempt of Court.
That would be polygamy & pedophilia wouldn’t it?
From the article: The mainstream Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, also known as the Mormon church, repudiated polygamy more than a century ago. “
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If it gets legalized, they will bring it back, guaranteed.
They have never repudiated or removed the doctrine from their Scriptures and many still defend the doctrine, even though they say it is no longer practiced.
OTOH, I do know a couple of Mainstream Mormon families who do practice it, quietly.
You expressed their (non) logic perfectly.
This “scene” is all about marketing of worldview—marriage between man and woman is obsolete and bigoted.
It is all explained very well in the following book-—just how in just a few decades people’s worldview has been totally corrupted to believe “evil is good” and fall for this line of “tolerance” (of evil) as being a virtue. It is well worth reading to understand the psychology they use—because they are using it 24/7 to create your children’s and grandchildren’s worldview. It is very successful—but realize—you are allowing a few perverted elites to determine the ideology of your children. They, through their total control on curricula in schools and MSM media, have more influence on your children’s minds than you. That is why their has been a “shift” in acceptance of deviant behaviors...the deviants control the information portals to the minds of your children.
It may be sarcasm, but it’s the obvious and probably inevitable result of Texas vs. Lawrence — as Justice Scalia noted in his biting dissent of that decision.
If you had to choose between the two, which is the least harmful arrangement for society?
2. Same sex marriages.
We have a society which has outlawed one and is beginning to leagalize the other.
Evil is evil.
Just as Hitler used his trial for the Beer Hall Putsch to launch the Nazis campaign to take over Germany.
Wish I could link a certain other news site that has the full text of the “sickness and death” proclamation. Or that someone else is posting transcripts. If anyone wonders just what this guy is about, they need to see that!
I’m a young guy. I graduated from the public schools recently. I know this all too well. That is one reason I think this 2012 election is so important. It might be the last chance to get people in office who are conservatives and change the countries direction from the Oval Office’s bully pulpit. The education system turns these people over to the media to tow the liberal line, and it has succeeded. An articulate, principled conservative is needed now more than ever in government, and our churches need to redouble evangelism and educational efforts.
Living with 5 women is one thing. The guy can say he’s simply has an open marriage with one of them.
But molesting a 12 year old in the “Temple” while others watch should be punishable by death. They have an audio of Jeffs doing this and people can be heard talking. A former FLDS says this is common practice.
As for the mainstream LDS, the articles always point out that these people are fringe. I get a little sick of hearing it.
I don’t think this court will let Jeffs turn the trial into a sermon.
The judge said she let him go on this time because he hadn’t presented an opening statement. She also dismissed the jury from the room and later turned off Jeff’s microphone.
I really don’t this she is going to let him get away with much from here on.
“2. Same sex marriages.”
I wonder why we have begun using this terminology instead of homosexual marriage. But I suppose the statutes that legalize the practice can’t discriminate against heterosexuals of the same sex getting married either. There might be some actual health insurance or retirement benefits or something else at stake, so maybe two BFFs of the same-sex just get married to each other and have their man-friends or lady-friends just for physical satisfaction purposes. No, that would be too weird.
There are many young people who are not fooled by the propaganda....how they survive the 24/7 enslaught of indoctrination and misinformation amazes me! It gives me hope.
An ex-KGB Yuri Bremenov defected in the 70’s and said how our schools were overrun by Marxist ideology for several generations already....(John Dewey (he revamped “American” educational system in the 30’s and was a Fabian socialist) and they were forcing cognitive dissonance into the curricula, intentionally to destroy reasoning and logic and to teach history in disjointed manner to destroy knowledge of past and destroy the “fixed beliefs” of children.
The Prussian design of schools is for mass indoctrination and mass conformity—they use humiliation and peer pressure to condition children into thinking properly—social manipulation-—homosexuality is good, up is down. It is evil to judge and no lifestyle is better than another and no country is better than others. (All lies, but children will believe it because of lack of experience and the TV glorifies deviance.) Dumbing down of America-—many books document the intentional destruction of the public school system (Eakman and John Taylor Gatto)
Just more proof that Government should get out of the marriage business altogether. You legitimize things by officially recognizing them - so don’t recognize any of them.
They both destroy societies. Homosexual marriage is an oxymoron—it creates the Marxist “logic” that men and women are exactly the same—interchangeable....it is a Marxist Lie to destroy the family structure....create the worldview that children do not need biological parents. Then the detached children will have no biological connections—it destroys their idea that there is a God who had a teleological design for nature.
It destroys logic and reason since children are taught that there is no design to the sex organs...it is stupid and creates a non-logical way to look at nature—an atheist, evolutionary—life is random sort of idiocy with no design. Children grow up with no common sense which only exists when understanding how nature works-—cause and effect. Homosexuality is a complete denial of cause and effect. It elevates emotion above intellect.
Homosexuality also divides the sexes—heterosexual marriage is the only true method of uniting the sexes and making sure biological children have parents that won’t be apt to molest or harm them. The genetic interest has a “nurturing” aspect to it—and although much less in man—marriage is the only way to attach men to their biological offspring. At least, in all cultures, the one man, one woman paradigm has been the most successful at raising emotionally and physically healthy children who can relate to all people, not just one sex.
It also is an illogical, unnatural use of the body which commodifies it. Homosexual acts are demeaning and disease-causing and reduces sex to a self-pleasuring artificial nihilism. It dead ends society into oblivion and meaninglessness.
Polygamy makes women into breeding cattle with less importance than the male. It is creating unequal worth of male to female, that will damage the perception of equality of the sexes especially in children. One man to one woman equalizes the sexes at the same time it acknowledges the biological differences which biology and science prove. Homosexual marriage denies reality and science and raises “urges” and “feelings” above science and reason. If a society gives rights to “urges” no matter how bizarre, then they will get everything including pederasty...because there will be always someone with the urge to sodomize boys.
One of these articles, I don’t remember which one, quoted the judge as saying (when Jeffs asked for a delay to prepare) “We are not going to delay this trial while you go to Law School!”