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Biblical comfort for gay Christians {'born-again', UCC}
Journal News ^ | 1 August 2011 | Richard O jones

Posted on 08/02/2011 1:27:35 AM PDT by Cronos

Janice Robinson is a dental hygienist and for a time worked at a dental office in the Cincinnati neighborhood of Hyde Park.

For reasons she could never quite fathom, she seemed to have a following of gay patients who would ask for her specifically when they made their appointments. Some of them would bring her cookies and other treats, and though she brought them home to her family, she wouldn’t eat them herself because, she said, they had “gay cooties.” “I was ‘Miss Pompous’,” she says now. “I believed that anyone outside my tunnel-vision is not a good person, and I associate my anti-gay feelings with my religious upbringing. I just grew up that way.”

Robinson was raised Catholic, she said, and was “born again” in her 20s. Since then, she’s attended Nazarene, Methodist and Vineyard churches, but none of them helped her broaden her world view, she said.

So eight years ago, when her son Carl Schottmiller came out as a gay man during his senior year of high school, that world view was set askew, and it’s taken her a long time to come around.

“I cried for three months,” she said. “When I told my sister, she scoffed. ‘We knew since he was 5 years old,’ she said.

“So it was OK with my family. With my Christian friends, not so much. I only heard my son would burn in hell for his homosexuality.”

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TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Current Events; Evangelical Christian
KEYWORDS: homonaziagenda; homosexualagenda; liberalprotestantism; ucc
was “born again” in her 20s. Since then, she’s attended Nazarene, Methodist and Vineyard churches, but none of them helped her broaden her world view, she said

Church-shopping....

1 posted on 08/02/2011 1:27:38 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

was “born again” in her 20s. Since then, she’s attended Nazarene, Methodist and Vineyard churches, but none of them helped her broaden her world view, she said

It’s not a church’s job to do that, that’s your own personal struggle. Just because I had to know some prejudiced individuals happened to be members of my own church, didn’t mean it wasn’t worth doing. We’re sick sinners, and Jesus is the doctor. In fact, te fact that people need to be counseled a little bit is a sign that church is where it needs to be.


2 posted on 08/02/2011 1:36:09 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Cronos
she wouldn’t eat them herself because, she said, they had “gay cooties.”

The Word tells us not to eat/live with them.

Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas.

3 posted on 08/02/2011 1:46:16 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Funny. Jesus ate and lived with sinners.


4 posted on 08/02/2011 2:44:43 AM PDT by CalvaryJohn (What is keeping that damned asteroid?)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Please correct me if I’m wrong but I believe the prohibition aganst eating is with someone who claims to be a “brother” but is still living an unrepentantly immoral life.


5 posted on 08/02/2011 3:22:27 AM PDT by tal hajus (ever the cynic)
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To: rawcatslyentist
Hmm...that Jesus feller spent a lot of time among them sinners I do believe.

Washing dirty feet and forgiving those who sinned.

Seems to be what I read.


But here you can see what happened when she let her boy eat them "Gay Cookies"....lol!
6 posted on 08/02/2011 3:42:10 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: tal hajus

Matthew 18:15-17 says how to deal with a brother who refuses to repent from sin.


7 posted on 08/02/2011 4:01:59 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: Tainan
Hmm...that Jesus feller spent a lot of time among them sinners I do believe. Washing dirty feet and forgiving those who sinned. Seems to be what I read.

Spot on Tainan, except these days society seems to equate forgiveness of sin with acceptance of sin. Homosexuals need our love, but more importantly they need the love and Truth of Jesus Christ. At some point the rubber has to meet the road, and the sin of homosexual behavior must be discussed. Speak the truth in love and let the chips fall where they may. Kharis13

8 posted on 08/02/2011 4:05:18 AM PDT by Kharis13 (That noise you hear is our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: CalvaryJohn
"Jesus ate and lived with sinners."

Sinner that sought repentance - He wasn't so keen on Scribes and Pharises - vipers and hypocrites He called them who were so blinded by their own pride.
Ministery outreach to sinners (drug addicts, homosexuals, etc.) is different - we are to show them the Love of Christ and lead them to a place of desiring repentance - or shake the dust off our sandals and move on to the next ones....

9 posted on 08/02/2011 4:10:24 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Kharis13

Amen brother!

God stated very clearly that choosing a homosexual lifestyle is a sin and an abomination.

Yet the “cafeteria” Christians who pick and choose what words to follow like choosing from restaurant menu continue to deny His word and attempt to tell us their homoexual lifestyle is normal and Christian.

Sadly, I have been attacked on C4P by stating God’s word on this subject.


10 posted on 08/02/2011 4:16:25 AM PDT by newfreep (I am Sarah Palin!)
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To: Cronos

Did she read her Bible before she left for the gay friendly Church? Does she read it now? When I don’t like what I hear from the hired help, I ask for the owner. The Lord has expressed his opinion on most things, but most of us are too lazy to seek it out.


11 posted on 08/02/2011 4:43:09 AM PDT by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: Kharis13
Brings up an interesting question.
Does it mention anywhere in the Bible about Jesus having any dealings with those of the lavender robe and/or comfortable sandal persuasion?
12 posted on 08/02/2011 4:53:11 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: Morpheus2009

Born again? Sounds to me like she was never truly a new creation-just dissatisfied with whatever she was looking for in a church. One cannot compromise what is written in Scripture from Genesis 1: to the Revelation of Jesus Christ.
Sexual Orientation remains just that an orientation changing the words we use cannot change the sin nor the abomination.
That being said as a father whose only son is caught in that web of homosexual deception and destruction I love him -but I cannot condone nor embrace nor take pleasure in the lifestyle he has chosen. He will either repent and seek God and be reconciled —or he will die in his sin.I cannot compromise what is written.


13 posted on 08/02/2011 5:19:55 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: CalvaryJohn

IMO Jesus makes manifest the truth He was in the world but not of the world.And I doubt any can show me where Jesus that Rabbi form Nazareth was EVER unequally yoked to unbelievers.
Problem is neither you -nor I nor any other creation is Jesus. How often are we tempted of the world— and surrender. How often do we -in the name of LOVE embrace the sinner and because we are afraid we might offend —Knowing of the consuming fire NEVER tell our neighbors the TRUTH. Instead we are brought down by the cares of the world. Jesus did eat with sinners- I am not confident any could live in HIS presence and remain a sinner.


14 posted on 08/02/2011 5:26:50 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Cronos
Raised Catholic, then attended Nazarene, Methodist and Vineyard ... and she doesn't have a broad world view?

Something is wrong there ... lol

15 posted on 08/02/2011 6:39:35 AM PDT by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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To: CalvaryJohn
Jesus ate and lived with sinners.

And He never said anything as insensitive as "go and sin no more." < /sarc>

16 posted on 08/02/2011 6:43:03 AM PDT by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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To: Cronos
‘We knew since he was 5 years old,’

Oh hogwash.

17 posted on 08/02/2011 7:00:17 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: CalvaryJohn
Jesus ate and lived with sinners.

He did so to call them to repentance, not to affirm their sinful life.

18 posted on 08/02/2011 7:24:20 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: Tainan
Does it mention anywhere in the Bible about Jesus having any dealings with those of the lavender robe

Stupid question. Are you also going to ask if Jesus dealt with pedophilia? Or sex with animals? 1 Thess 4:1-8 includes all sexual sins, including those of the lavender persuasion. Jesus told the woman at the well to go and sin no more.

19 posted on 08/02/2011 7:28:54 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh
Stupid question. Are you also going to ask if Jesus dealt with pedophilia? Or sex with animals? 1 Thess 4:1-8 includes all sexual sins, including those of the lavender persuasion. Jesus told the woman at the well to go and sin no more.

That question seems to have punched a few of your buttons. Not its intention.
I was asking a sincere question - Does the Bible, KJV New Testament of course, directly mention any scenes where Jesus has an encounter with homosexuals?

I don't recall any. I know full well of other passages that condemn the sin; just asking that specific question.

By the way, the lady at the well, Mary Magdalene I think was her name, was labelled as a "woman of easy virtue" not a carpet muncher.

20 posted on 08/02/2011 7:58:28 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: Cronos
Some of them [homosexual clients] would bring her cookies and other treats, and though she brought them home to her family, she wouldn’t eat them herself because, she said, they had “gay cooties.”

Huh!?

21 posted on 08/02/2011 8:27:08 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: Tainan

The woman at the well was not Mary Magdelene. She was a Samaritan woman whose name is not given.


22 posted on 08/02/2011 8:37:17 AM PDT by Jvette
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To: Cronos

Sweetie, you’re still Miss Pompous. You’ve just switched targets.


23 posted on 08/02/2011 8:40:17 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: CalvaryJohn
Funny. Jesus ate and lived with sinners.

Repentant sinners. There is no evidence at all that Jesus ate and lived with people who had parades celebrating their sins.
24 posted on 08/02/2011 8:43:06 AM PDT by Antoninus (Nothing that offends God can possibly be a legitimate right.)
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To: rawcatslyentist

You will be laying alone if you don’t associate with sinners (dogs) and I imagine you are a dog yourself with an assortment of fleas.

I would not permit anyone to claim that evil is good (that is what homo activists are trying to do in the name of tolerance) without objection; but I would not take on the authority that belongs only to God in judging them as unworthy.

If anyone is unworthy of God’s love and the association with his holy spirit, that would be me. Fortunately for me, He has mercy.


25 posted on 08/02/2011 8:48:08 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Tainan
Does the Bible, KJV New Testament of course, directly mention any scenes where Jesus has an encounter with homosexuals?

Are you somehow suggesting (as many do) that if Jesus did not specify homosexuals as sinners in the Gospels that He was somehow "OK" with it?

26 posted on 08/02/2011 9:26:19 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: CalvaryJohn
>> Funny. Jesus ate and lived with sinners.<<

I’m sure you could also quote scripture of where He condoned the sins or suggested that they could continue in them?

27 posted on 08/02/2011 10:59:21 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Sans-Culotte
Are you somehow suggesting (as many do) that if Jesus did not specify homosexuals as sinners in the Gospels that He was somehow "OK" with it?

Quite a ridiculous, and aka known as building a false bridge in rhetoric, question.
I attempted to make the question as clear and easy to understand as possible.

"Does the Bible, KJV New Testament of course, directly mention any scenes where Jesus has an encounter with homosexuals?"

28 posted on 08/02/2011 4:03:22 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: Jvette

Thanks for clarifying that. I was not certain of her identity.


29 posted on 08/02/2011 4:04:24 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: RichInOC

All I can say is thank God she’s not in my church! Not very Christian I agree, but...


30 posted on 08/02/2011 10:04:30 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos

Placemark.


31 posted on 08/02/2011 10:15:36 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Cronos
Lying is sin. Stealing is sin. Homosexuality is sin.

God demands that we remove the sin from our lives. To do this He has graciously and mercifully given us His Son for our forgiveness and His Spirit as our helper to overcome our sin. He has removed our hearts of stone and given us a new heart and a new spirit. Any person who claims to be a Christian but does not have a deep desire to remove their sin is really not a Christian at all.

32 posted on 08/03/2011 1:48:41 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: StonyBurk

My point was the fact that she was blaming on various churches what was her responsibility, in being exemplary to others. There are plenty of imperfect people in church, some of which whom are irrational, and some of whom need a decent example. I have found some irrational people in the congregation(s) where I have been, but being a good member involved me working with them, and giving some food for thought, as well as example, not leaving because there were some less-than-perfect members.

“That being said as a father whose only son is caught in that web of homosexual deception and destruction I love him -but I cannot condone nor embrace nor take pleasure in the lifestyle he has chosen. He will either repent and seek God and be reconciled —or he will die in his sin.I cannot compromise what is written.”

I wish you and your son the best in this situation. I hope as well that your son figures out that some behaviors are harmful, and deteriorating to him as a person, which is my main concern for anyone dealing with such a case. I personally feel sympathetic to a great number of people struggling with some form of sexual morality, having been an addict of porn myself, and having had to go through help from the church in working with that. Yes, much of people probably think of porn, like homosexual behavior, as okay, even though being porn-addicted does hurt. I probably could have become a good husband and father earlier on in life had I not become entangled in some cheap, virtual, distortion of what can be wholesome in life.


33 posted on 08/03/2011 10:03:30 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Antoninus

He also instructed an adulterous woman to sin no more. Again, he didn’t condone the acts, and he did wish people well in working against their bad nature, not embrace it or allow it to go beyond their control.


34 posted on 08/03/2011 10:05:13 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Tainan
Quite a ridiculous, and aka known as building a false bridge in rhetoric, question.
I attempted to make the question as clear and easy to understand as possible.

Actually, I thought my question was pretty simple as well. You could have replied with a simple "no".

35 posted on 08/03/2011 10:07:26 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Cronos

another anecdotal story in a fringe paper that is pushing for mainstream attention.

Doubtful if any of the characters are even real. (seriously who eats cookies brought to a dentist office made by anyone to a dentist office)

another pro-homo story writteny by a homosexual.


36 posted on 08/03/2011 10:18:21 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: StonyBurk

I know homosexuals who are living celebate lives. They are Christian, they know the Word, and they are doing the very best that they can.

I don’t think many here can fathom being both a Christian, and someone afflicted with homosexuality.

The fact is, homosexuality is a sin, no more or less deadly than any other sin, since no one is getting to Heaven on their own merits.

Homosexuals and pedophiles require prayer. I would imagine that having a son or daughter afflicted with either of these conditions would cause you to question God as to how this glorifies Him? How does this serve His will?

At the end of everything is Judgement. Did you mock the sinner and put more sharp rocks beneath their feet, or did you pray for their deliverance and for mercy on them?

I think it to be completely normal for a woman to wonder whether there is some other way for her son, afflicted as he is. She is sorely tested. There are those who are saved who act as if they are now perfect. I pray that they are never tested, as this woman has surely been.

I pray that I am never that sorely tested. Which of us would take a knife to their own child, were God to ask that of us, and actually follow through not knowing whether God would stay our hand?

I don’t have that kind of faith, even though I am saved. There’s a good bet that none of us have that kind of faith, for if we did, apparently we could move mountains.


37 posted on 08/03/2011 10:50:28 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: Cronos
Deenis Prager, Why Judaism Rejected Homosexuality
38 posted on 08/03/2011 12:05:37 PM PDT by onedoug (If)
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