Skip to comments.Vatican officials encouraging push to stop communion for pro-abort pols
Posted on 08/05/2011 9:28:09 AM PDT by NYer
ROME, August 4, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) Top officials at the Vatican are throwing their support behind pro-life Catholic leaders campaigning against dioceses allowing pro-abortion politicians receive Holy Communion, says one such leader.
American Life League President Judie Brown spoke with LifeSiteNews yesterday about her recent trip to Rome, where she spoke with Vatican officials about Communion for pro-abortion politicians and the changing pro-life landscape in America.
Cardinal Raymond Burke told Brown to be persistent in her campaign to have Canon 915 enforced, she said.
Canon 915 states: “Those upon whom the penalty of excommunication or interdict has been imposed or declared, and others who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin, are not to be admitted to holy communion.”
Brown also noted that Burke encouraged her to make use of the numerous articles he himself has written on the subject.
He encouraged us to be persistent, to use his articles and not to back down from our position which is the same as his, she said. Its not arbitrary its a matter of the law of the church which needs to be enforced.
Cardinal Burke, she noted, spoke of applying the sanction called for in canon 915 as “therapeutic” in terms of helping people come back in line with the church.
The fact that many bishops are “not comfortable” about it, said Brown, doesnt matter.
Brown also addressed at the meeting how intentional distortions of official Church statements have confused Catholics on the abortion issue.
In America, conception is defined as implantation, so when the Church makes a statement - Dignitas Personae is the most recent example - our enemies turn around and say even the Church doesnt believe theres life before implantation, Brown explained to Zenit news.
Church officials must be clear that when the word conception is used, it means the biological beginning of a person.
While in Rome, Brown covered a wide range of topics including Americas growing pro-life youth movement, ad hominem attacks on pro-life Catholics, and the ramifications of a culture-of-death president.
Cardinal Burke is the primary example of being targeted by the media,” she told LifeSiteNews.com. “The reason for that is that he wont back down. He tells Catholics all the time, including me, to continue to persist in the faith, and he does it.
We have every reason to be optimistic. But, all Catholics must stand up and be Catholic even when its uncomfortable, she concluded.
Why yes decent respectful Catholics can post to me. I have received several PMs from very nice Catholics. A couple have even offered their apologies for your and others behavior. I told them it is not necessary and not their responsibility to apologize for others behavior.
I will ask my priest tonight if I am committing a sin for discouraging communications from Catholics that insult me and call me a liar.
No I do not want to hear from rude, 10-15 cigarette a day smoking, washed up, hack nurses. In the event you fit any of those criteria I would prefer not to hear from you.
Remember you started the name calling and the lies.
Thanks for allowing me to BTT this with a post!!! Great thread don't you think?
STOP harassing me!!!
Once again - slow learner.
Stop harassing me and following me around.
Oh yea, real nice insult. What are you 12?
Whoopsie daisy! Not a good idea to discuss PMs on the threads. Against the rules, in fact.
You do not want to hear from me today, but yesterday it was okay for you to post to me? What happened? Never mind. People can read it for themselves on the threads. All except your posts that were removed, that is.
I didn’t see any insult from Natural Law. Picnics attract flies.
You need to get your facts straight.
I'm not going to respond to that sort of thing. I don't react quite the same when people lie about me as when they lie about the Church. Especially, when they spend so much time lying about themselves.
Besides, Catholics on FR are constantly coached, admonished and warned to have thick skins and to expect this sort of "public square personal attack" thing. (The fact that such a warning has not been given is even more proof we weren't dealing with a real Catholic.)
I'll bet. I don't think it is possible to insult you. But you may wish to check with a priest just the same.
STOP harassing me!!!
Or what? You're going to chain PM dropping F-bombs?
Hmmmm....well, you caught me there. I give up, you are the sweet one, I am terrible and mean to poor little you. I admit it. Thanks for all your edifying posts, I’ve really learned a lot from them.
Have a lovely day, Catholic FRiend.
Remember when you say hurtful things hurtful things may come back.
For the record I just responded to YOUR rude PM’s. The record is clear you started it.
You are the one lashing out at me on PM’s so I guess maybe you should do your reading.
Since you all travel in a swarm you may have to loan it to each other and help the slower among you with the big words.
Thanks again for letting me BTT!!!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2757208/posts Denial is not just a river!
Thanks, I am having a great day!!!
And you are certainly setting an instructive example for everyone. Thanks.
For the record I just responded to YOUR rude PMs. The record is clear you started it.
Very good. I will repost my original PM to you in its entirety. Will you have the courage to repost your replies to me?
Dude, why are you harassing Catholic Caucus threads?
Boy, that's hurtful. Full of F-bombs and everything.
Are you certain that you can repost ANY of your replies on this forum and not have the RM cancel you completely? I know that I can.
Hack nurse popping popcorn...
Question: Who else is not a Catholic.
Question: Who else is not a Catholic.
ROFL! Cute. ;-D
Sadly, Archbishop Chaput has indicated that it is the responsibility of the communicant to stay away from the Communion Rail. This is not correct. Rather, it is the responsibility of the Minister of the Eucharist to deny Holy Communion. This is a huge difference that goes against the Church's teachings regarding canon 915 as well as recent statements from the Vatican stating that the manifest pro-abortion politicians must be denied, and the burden IS upon the Minister to deny, NOT upon the communicant to stay away
. -- from the thread Will Denver Catholic Archbishop finally enforce Canon 915?
"...there's a question about whether this canon'' the relevant church law "was ever intended to be used'' to bring politicians to heel. He thinks not. "I stand with the great majority of American bishops and bishops around the world in saying this canon was never intended to be used this way." -- from the thread [Archbishop] Wuerl: Why I Won't Deny Pelosi Communion
Albany Bishop Howard Hubbard says it is "unfair and imprudent" to conclude that Gov. Andrew Cuomo and his girlfriend, Sandra Lee, shouldn't receive Communion simply because they're living together. -- from the thread Bishop: None of your business (Hubbard rejects Catholic expert's criticism of Gov. Cuomo)
[Archbishop Timothy Dolan] also does not outright deny the sacrament to dissenting Catholic lawmakers, but he is seen as an outspoken defender of church orthodoxy in a style favored by many theological conservatives.Related threads:
-- from the thread US bishops elect NYC archbishop as head in upset (Catholic bloggers blamed)
Yeah, but there is a difference between an example and a specimen.
Some of these morons have bought into the MSM line than anyone who declares himself a Catholic is a Catholic in Communion with the Church. The really sad thing is that they don't know enough about Catholicism to realize what complete idiots they are making of themselves. They would be equally successful declaring themselves starting NFL quarterbacks.
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