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Photos of Warren Jeffs and his wives emerge [NOW Utah interested!]
KSTU TV ^ | August 9, 2011 | Ben Winslow

Posted on 08/10/2011 8:07:41 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

Fox 13 has obtained dozens of photographs of polygamist leader Warren Jeffs and many of his so-called "brides."

-SNIP-

The pictures were seized by law enforcement during the raid on the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints' YFZ ranch in Eldorado, Texas in 2008. In all, lawyers connected to the case have estimated that approximately 1.7 billion pages of evidence was taken in the raid.

Combined with diaries, audio recordings and dictations, Texas prosecutors painted a damning portrait of the FLDS leader that they showed to the jury.

"If the world knew what I was doing they would hang me from the highest tree, and they would do worse than that," Jeffs said of underage marriages in one of the dictations dated Jan. 25, 2004.

"I knew and understood him to be that kind of man," Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff told Fox 13 on Tuesday. "We just had to have that evidence to do it. Texas finally had that evidence."

The gargantuan amount of evidence could find its way to Utah, where prosecutors here are anxious to see it. Washington County Attorney Brock Belnap said he is "very interested" in seeing what Texas obtained.

Shurtleff said Texas has agreed to share the evidence, once it finishes with the trials of the remaining FLDS members charged in connection with underage marriages. Besides Jeffs, seven FLDS men have been sentenced to prison.

"We're anxious to get our hands on some of that evidence down there in Texas and see if there's any additional crimes that we may have to look at prosecuting here," Shurtleff said.

-SNIP-

The Texas Department of Criminal Justice said that Jeffs was being evaluated to determine whether to place him in general population, safe keeping or protective custody.

Jeffs would not be considered for parole for at least 45 years, a prison spokesman said. He would be 100 years old when that would happen.

For his faithful followers, Jeffs will likely be viewed as a martyr, said an ex-FLDS member.

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Fox 13 spoke to sources in the FLDS strongholds of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz., who said there has been little -- if any -- reaction to Jeffs' Texas trial. Jeffs has forbidden his faithful followers from watching TV or checking the Internet, ex-FLDS members in the communities say, preventing them from hearing about the volumes of evidence presented against him.

Those faithful who are aware of the trial insist that it is a test of faith and told ex-members in the town that "God will intervene."

"The key is obviously getting the word to those members the truth...as to what kind of man Warren Jeffs is," said Shurtleff. "Not only did he abuse little girls, but he abused all of them."

Shurtleff would not rule out re-trying Jeffs in Utah, where his conviction on rape as an accomplice was overturned by the state's Supreme Court. Jessop, however, told Fox 13 she was skeptical if law enforcement would ever really address what she said was consistent, criminal behavior in Hildale and Colorado City.

"I think the same crimes will continue," Jessop said. "I think the only way that can change is if law enforcement in Utah and Arizona will actually enforce the law down there."


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: flds; homosexualagenda; huntsman; inman; jeffs; jonhuntsman; lds; mittromney; mormonism; polygamy; polygyny; romney; utah; warrenjeffs
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Shurtleff said Texas has agreed to share the evidence, once it finishes with the trials of the remaining FLDS members charged in connection with underage marriages.

Now THERE is a weasel statement if I ever saw one. < scoff >

1 posted on 08/10/2011 8:07:45 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: Pebcak; UCANSEE2; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; greyfoxx39; proudofthesouth; MizSterious; pandoraou812; ...

Ping


2 posted on 08/10/2011 8:09:33 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (My God can't be bribed by money or good works or bound by manmade "covenants". Romney's can.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Bravo for the jurors in Texas, who gave this devil life plus 20 years! How shameful that Utah covered up this well-known pedophile’s crimes against children.


3 posted on 08/10/2011 8:13:52 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: greyfoxx39

1.7 billion pages??? At 3,000 pages per foot, that would be approximately 107 miles of documents.


4 posted on 08/10/2011 8:15:22 AM PDT by ZGuy
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Warren Jeffs...prophet and god? Not in Texas!

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Warren being prepped for introductions to his new "compound mates" at Huntsville!

5 posted on 08/10/2011 8:22:35 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (My God can't be bribed by money or good works or bound by manmade "covenants". Romney's can.)
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To: greyfoxx39

What should anybody expect from a Godless cult.

Pray for America


6 posted on 08/10/2011 8:26:21 AM PDT by bray (Hey Country Club, your turn to hold your nose!)
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To: greyfoxx39
How is it that (so called) mainstream lds continue to make excuses (defending) the pedophilia going on in the flds? Is it because if they do not make excuses (defend) for flds then they must condemn Joseph Smith for his pedophilia? Seriously, if you hang your hat on a guy who is a known pedophile as the founder of your belief system, then you have to admit you were deceived.
7 posted on 08/10/2011 8:28:39 AM PDT by svcw (democrats are liars, it's a given)
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To: greyfoxx39

You know, I’ve had several Mormonism based polygamists as neighbors. They are such good people, very quiet and keep to themselves, law abiding and very, very socially conservative. They are strong defenders of gun rights. I just can’t understand why everybody is picking on them....they’ve been persecuted, targeted and hated for YEARS!

< /sarc>


8 posted on 08/10/2011 8:29:55 AM PDT by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: colorcountry
And you forgot polygamy and pedophilia are old testament Biblical /s/
9 posted on 08/10/2011 8:32:30 AM PDT by svcw (democrats are liars, it's a given)
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To: greyfoxx39

13!? how many more does he need to catch Joseph Smith?


10 posted on 08/10/2011 8:35:23 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: colorcountry
You know, I’ve had several Mormonism based polygamists as neighbors. They are such good people, very quiet and keep to themselves, law abiding and very, very socially conservative. They are strong defenders of gun rights. I just can’t understand why everybody is picking on them....they’ve been persecuted, targeted and hated for YEARS!

< /sarc>

They deserve their "freedom of religion" and the freedom to worship in their own way....[those little girls soon "get over it" and appreciate the opportunity to rise to the "celestial kingdom" as "worthy" servants of the lord!]

61And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else. Joseph Smith.

LDS Doctrine and Covenants, 132:61

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11 posted on 08/10/2011 8:48:05 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (My God can't be bribed by money or good works or bound by manmade "covenants". Romney's can.)
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To: svcw

Oh yes, how could I have forgotten THAT! Sheesh...


12 posted on 08/10/2011 8:49:23 AM PDT by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: greyfoxx39
Is it so wrong to threaten a child with damnation if they don't have sex with you?


13 posted on 08/10/2011 8:55:29 AM PDT by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: svcw
And you forgot polygamy and pedophilia are old testament Biblical

Where us pedophilia mentioned in the Bible?

14 posted on 08/10/2011 9:05:37 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: greyfoxx39
"I think the same crimes will continue," Jessop said. "I think the only way that can change is if law enforcement in Utah and Arizona will actually enforce the law down there."

BTTT!

15 posted on 08/10/2011 9:06:56 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Doe Eyes
Hence, the sarcasm marker.
16 posted on 08/10/2011 9:15:16 AM PDT by svcw (democrats are liars, it's a given)
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To: DannyTN; greyfoxx39; Zakeet
how many more does he need to catch Joseph Smith?

I think we need in this day & age some mock trials, convicting both Joseph Smith & Brigham Young & other Lds leaders, in abstentia.

We already have a Joseph Smith conviction on "glass looking" -- a charge essentially part of the flim-flams of his day. Smith could be charged with multiple counts of bigamy...destruction of property (Nauvoo Expositor)...smuggling of two weapons into a jail cell...predatory rape upon a minor by a person in spiritual authority...(16 yo Lucy Walker -- without consent of her father...her mother was dead)

Young: Bigamy & Accessory after the fact of Mountain Meadow Massacre; numerous other roles in murders, including Utah acts of war upon U.S. calvary; etc.

17 posted on 08/10/2011 9:23:38 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: greyfoxx39

I can only think of two differences between the “L” DS and the “F” LDS.

One openly follows Joseph Smiths original teachings.

Hmmmmm....I can’t think of the other one.


18 posted on 08/10/2011 9:44:32 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: Colofornian

There are at least two reasons why prosecution of mainstream LDS won’t happen.

Reid and Hatch


19 posted on 08/10/2011 9:46:09 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: Colofornian
I think we need in this day & age some mock trials, convicting both Joseph Smith & Brigham Young & other Lds leaders, in abstentia.

Don't forget:

These are just off the top of my head at the moment. I am confident that I can think of many other crimes given a little more time and motivation. Nevertheless, I think you get my point.

20 posted on 08/10/2011 9:46:39 AM PDT by Zakeet (If it ain't broke, the Wee Wee will fix it until it is)
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To: greyfoxx39

The “FLDS” is what the Theocrocy “State” known as “Deseret” would have been like. The ONLY reason that “Utah” was admitted was that “poligamy” was specifically outlawed and THEN Utah(Deseret) was admitted into the United States.


21 posted on 08/10/2011 10:11:21 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: greyfoxx39

It’s like he’s some creepy home grown Islamic...


22 posted on 08/10/2011 10:20:30 AM PDT by GOPJ (The end of our great nation - caused by 'give it all away' dems. May dems reap what they sown...)
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To: greyfoxx39

He is a sick and evil bastard using religion to satisfy his perversity. He should be castrated, and I hope he gets the crap beat out him in prison...daily.


23 posted on 08/10/2011 10:20:31 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: GOPJ

It’s like he’s some creepy home-grown radical muslim... Not all Islamic are this dreadful...


24 posted on 08/10/2011 10:22:06 AM PDT by GOPJ (The end of our great nation - caused by 'give it all away' dems. May dems reap what they sown...)
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To: greyfoxx39

How’s godhood feel now, Warren?

Enjoying it much?


25 posted on 08/10/2011 10:25:36 AM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: Colofornian

Too bad they didn’t have the Mann Act back then, because I’m pretty sure Joey Smith transported a lot of underage women across state lines for immoral purposes!


26 posted on 08/10/2011 10:29:28 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
Smith thought he was above the law anyway. In May 1834, Joseph Smith formed an army called Zion’s Camp and marched his men from Ohio to Missouri to try to put an end to the Missouri conflict.

Link

27 posted on 08/10/2011 10:42:07 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (My God can't be bribed by money or good works or bound by manmade "covenants". Romney's can.)
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To: Terry Mross
There are at least two reasons why prosecution of mainstream LDS won’t happen. Reid and Hatch

Harry Reid's "calling" in an official Lds "home teaching" capacity got a positive comment @ the recent FAIR Conference in Sandy, Utah. [FAIR is the "apologists" who attempt to defend Mormonism]

See post #3 @ Perception of Mitt Romney election to presidency would be similar to that of John F. Kennedy...

28 posted on 08/10/2011 11:24:16 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: svcw
Hence, the sarcasm marker.

I missed that. My mistake.

29 posted on 08/10/2011 11:45:55 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: greyfoxx39
In all, lawyers connected to the case have estimated that approximately 1.7 billion pages of evidence was taken in the raid.

Yeah... Sure....

Do NOT let these 'lawyers' do your taxes!

30 posted on 08/10/2011 11:48:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Doe Eyes

Song of Solomon 8:8 (niv)

We have a young sister, and her breasts are not yet grown. What shall we do for our sister for the day she is spoken for?


31 posted on 08/10/2011 11:51:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian
I think we need in this day & age some mock trials, convicting both Joseph Smith & Brigham Young & other Lds leaders, in abstentia.

>



 
"Joseph; I advise you not to go to that jail."
 
"Darn gnats!!"
 
 
"Joseph; I'm telling you to not to go to that jail."
 
"Flies are BAD today!!"
 
 
"Joseph; It ain't gonna be pretty if you ignore me and go to that jail!"
 
"Crummy mosquitos are EVERYWHERE!!!"
 
 
"Joseph!  Do NOT go to that jail!"
 
"And those bedbugs really savaged me last night, too!"
 
 
"JOSEPH!!  Wake up boy!   Do Not Go To That JAIL!!!"
 
"All right Sheriff - here I am, so give me a nice room while my Lawyer, my Advocate, my Comforter presents the LAW to the Judge and I am VINDICATED!!!"
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


32 posted on 08/10/2011 11:55:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: US Navy Vet
The “FLDS” is what the Theocrocy “State” known as “Deseret” would have been like. The ONLY reason that “Utah” was admitted was that “poligamy” was specifically outlawed and THEN Utah(Deseret) was admitted into the United States.

Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...
I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws..."

~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President


33 posted on 08/10/2011 11:57:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ZX12R
He should be castrated...


Galatians 5:12
   As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!

34 posted on 08/10/2011 11:59:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Boogieman

The three Nephites are immortal: not the porpoises.


35 posted on 08/10/2011 12:00:53 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ZX12R

He should be “Dahmered.” Extra rations for the prisoner who does the deed.


36 posted on 08/10/2011 12:01:40 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Elsie

“State of Deseret”: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Deseret
“State of Utah”: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah

“During the 1870s and 1880s laws were passed to punish polygamists, and in the 1890 Manifesto, the LDS Church banned polygamy. When Utah applied for statehood again it was accepted. One of the conditions for granting Utah statehood was that a ban on polygamy be written into the state constitution. This was a condition required of other western states that were admitted into the Union later. Statehood was officially granted on January 4, 1896.”


37 posted on 08/10/2011 12:30:00 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: US Navy Vet
So in any words, lds abandoned one of the foundations of their belief system to become a state. Well, except those lds that didn't and of course there is the marriage of the dead to each other for eternal polygamy. We'll just go with lds gave up the practice.
38 posted on 08/10/2011 1:39:52 PM PDT by svcw (democrats are liars, it's a given)
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To: greyfoxx39

Thanks for posting this, Foxx.

I like it when apostates (of any religion) are caught with their pants down. ;o]


39 posted on 08/10/2011 3:05:08 PM PDT by Monkey Face ("...I believe in angels; something good in everything I see..." ABBA)
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To: US Navy Vet; greyfoxx39
The ONLY reason that “Utah” was admitted was that “poligamy” was specifically outlawed and THEN Utah(Deseret) was admitted into the United States.

That is not entirely correct. Polygamy - mormon style - was illegal throughout the entire course of its existance. When the manifesto was issued, the most recent law provided 'teeth' to enforce existing law - disinfranchisement of the mormon church and jail for its leaders and polygamists.

The prophet saw the writing on the wall. However, it was the secret plan to continue polygamy in secret and try to overturn the laws in place. Hence the leadership continued the practice - until slapped down by the law again via the Smoot hearings. Polygamy continued under cover by leadership into the early 1900's.

40 posted on 08/10/2011 3:19:42 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: US Navy Vet
[I]n the 1890 Manifesto, the LDS Church banned polygamy . . .

That's not technically true, although it's easy to believe because the LDS church continues to make similar statements.

At the very least if you're going to comment on the end of polygamy in the LDS church you should do some research. Perhaps read Michael D. Quinn's LDS Church Authority and New Plural Marriages, 1890 - 1904, here as printed in Dialogue, a Journal of Mormon Thought and written while he was a Professor of History at BYU. Although this paper resulted in Dr. Quinn's excommunication (under the doctrine made famous by Apostle Boyd K. Packer as "faithful history" or "faith-promoting history"), its truth was later admitted by LDS Apostle Dallin H. Oaks and countless other LDS and non-LDS historians, including Todd Compton.

1911 is probably a better date to use as the year that the LDS church officially banned new polygamy.

Some notes:

First, the 1890 Manifesto (and the Second Manifesto, in 1904) applied to new polygamous marriages and did not affect existing polygamous marriages. Even though those marriages were illegal under the laws that permitted Utah to become a state, it makes sense. If a man had four (or forty) wives, I'd say it wasn't humane to force him to abandon all but one of his families.

As LDS Apostle Dallin H. Oaks wrote:

"It is also clear that polygamy did not end suddenly with the 1890 Manifesto. Polygamous relationships sealed before that revelation was announced continued for a generation. The performance of polygamous marriages also continued for a time outside the United States, where the application of the Manifesto was uncertain for a season. It appears that polygamous marriages also continued for about a decade in some other areas among leaders and members who took license for the ambiguities and pressures created by this high-level collision between resented laws and reverenced doctrines."

Dallin H. Oaks, Gospel Teachings About Lying.

So mainstream LDS polygamous marriages performed before the Manifesto continued to exist as polygamous marriages into the 1940's and 1950's.

Second, somewhere between 200 and 2,000 polygamous marriages were performed after the 1890 Manifesto (the 200 figure is an early figure; new researchers continue to find additional marriage records and the figure now seems to be above 2,000). The First Presidency performed marriages in Mexico (even though polygamy was illegal in Mexico) and onboard U.S.-flagged ocean vessels (although the U.S. Constitution and statutory law had already extended the jurisdiction of federal law, and therefore all anti-polygamy laws, to any persons and activities aboard U.S. vessels traveling on the high seas). Two Apostles personally performed post-Manifesto marriages and nearly every member of the First Presidency sanctioned or participated in a post-Manifesto polygamous marriage. At least one Apostle entered into a polygamous marriage post-Manifesto.

You can look it up. I'll be happy to find and post multiple sources, including LDS historian-sources, in return for a donation to the Boy Scouts of America.

As Todd Compton, LDS polygamy researcher (and LDS member, and recent winner of the Best Mormon Book Award for In Sacred Loneliness: The Plural Wives of Joseph Smith) stated in 2007 about post-Manifesto marriages:

Giving up polygamy was not easy for the Saints, and church leaders (including the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve) secretly authorized further plural marriages until the first decade of the twentieth century. Mitt Romney's ancestors were especially prominent in this "Post-Manifesto" era of Mormon polygamy, as many post-Manifesto plural marriages were solemnized in Mexico. Two common misconceptions about Mexican post-Manifesto polygamy are that polygamy was legal in Mexico, and that the Manifesto did not apply outside the United State. In actuality, polygamy was illegal in Mexico, and church leaders had agreed to discontinue polygamy throughout the world, not just in the United States. President Woodruff stated that the prohibition on plural marriages applied to Mormons "everywhere and in every nation and country."

News of post-Manifesto plural marriages inevitably leaked out, and when Reed Smoot was voted into the Senate in 1904, he was not allowed to sit without hearings examining the LDS church's commitment to stopping polygamy entirely. These hearings were a considerable embarrassment to church leaders. Under great pressure, Joseph F. Smith released what is known as the "Second Manifesto" in 1904.

Because of the embarrassing revelations of "new polygamy" in the Reed Smoot hearings (1904-06), LDS church leaders ceased authorizing new plural marriages. President Joseph F. Smith issued a "second manifesto." That's when the LDS church said it would excommunicate members for entering into or solemnizing polygamous marriages. Again, there was no penalty expressed for continuing in a pre-Manifesto polygamous marriage. The Second Manifesto has never been canonized by the LDS Church.

Apostles John W. Taylor and Matthias F. Cowley were vocal in their objection to the Second Manifesto and were removed from the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles in 1906, and Smith was excommunicated for his continued opposition in 1911.

1911.

That's when the LDS Church really began to enforce the Second Manifesto. The 1890 Manifesto was not enforced. It was more of a "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" deal.

This post has nothing to do with LDS theology. It has to do with history. The LDS Church no longer permits polygamy, but to say that the church ended polygamy with the 1890 Manifesto is at best simplistic and at worst a lie.

However, most people who say that polygamy ended with the 1890 Manifesto have been taught faith-promoting history all their lives and have no idea about the difficult history of abandoning something so integral to the LDS Church. Most have probably never heard of Reed Smoot and know nothing of the 1904 Second Manifesto.

Again, the LDS Church no longer permits polygamy despite the fact that Doctrines and Covenants 132 is still on the books.

41 posted on 08/10/2011 3:31:59 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: colorcountry

“They are such good people, very quiet and keep to themselves,”

Yeh, real quiet thats the ticket. Maybe they don’t want anybody to know what they are up to. Like Polygamy.

We have a bunch of illegal Pacos next door. Quiet as church mice. Nice SA 13 gang tats too. But quiet. Very quiet.


42 posted on 08/10/2011 4:13:40 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: US Navy Vet
“During the 1870s and 1880s laws were passed to punish polygamists, and in the 1890 Manifesto, the LDS Church banned polygamy.

Banned?

I'll bet that NOWHERE in this 'Official Declaration #1' can a BAN be found.


 
 
 
OFFICIAL DECLARATION—1

To Whom It May Concern:

Press dispatches having been sent for political purposes, from Salt Lake City, which have been widely published, to the effect that the Utah Commission, in their recent report to the Secretary of the Interior, allege that plural marriages are still being solemnized and that forty or more such marriages have been contracted in Utah since last June or during the past year, also that in public discourses the leaders of the Church have taught, encouraged and urged the continuance of the practice of polygamy

I, therefore, as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do hereby, in the most solemn manner, declare that these charges are false. We are not teaching polygamy or plural marriage, nor permitting any person to enter into its practice, and I deny that either forty or any other number of plural marriages have during that period been solemnized in our Temples or in any other place in the Territory.

One case has been reported, in which the parties allege that the marriage was performed in the Endowment House, in Salt Lake City, in the Spring of 1889, but I have not been able to learn who performed the ceremony; whatever was done in this matter was without my knowledge. In consequence of this alleged occurrence the Endowment House was, by my instructions, taken down without delay.

Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise.

There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.

WILFORD WOODRUFF
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 




President Lorenzo Snow offered the following:

“I move that, recognizing Wilford Woodruff as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the only man on the earth at the present time who holds the keys of the sealing ordinances, we consider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the Manifesto which has been read in our hearing, and which is dated September 24th, 1890, and that as a Church in General Conference assembled, we accept his declaration concerning plural marriages as authoritative and binding.”

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous.

Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890.







 

EXCERPTS FROM THREE ADDRESSES BY
PRESIDENT WILFORD WOODRUFF
REGARDING THE MANIFESTO

The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty. (Sixty-first Semiannual General Conference of the Church, Monday, October 6, 1890, Salt Lake City, Utah. Reported in Deseret Evening News, October 11, 1890, p. 2.)

It matters not who lives or who dies, or who is called to lead this Church, they have got to lead it by the inspiration of Almighty God. If they do not do it that way, they cannot do it at all. . . .

I have had some revelations of late, and very important ones to me, and I will tell you what the Lord has said to me. Let me bring your minds to what is termed the manifesto. . . .

The Lord has told me to ask the Latter-day Saints a question, and He also told me that if they would listen to what I said to them and answer the question put to them, by the Spirit and power of God, they would all answer alike, and they would all believe alike with regard to this matter.

The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue—to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?

The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place
if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for . . . any of the men in this temple at Logan; for all ordinances would be stopped throughout the land of Zion. Confusion would reign throughout Israel, and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice. Now, the question is, whether it should be stopped in this manner, or in the way the Lord has manifested to us, and leave our Prophets and Apostles and fathers free men, and the temples in the hands of the people, so that the dead may be redeemed. A large number has already been delivered from the prison house in the spirit world by this people, and shall the work go on or stop? This is the question I lay before the Latter-day Saints. You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it; but I say to you that that is exactly the condition we as a people would have been in had we not taken the course we have.

. . . I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write. . . .

I leave this with you, for you to contemplate and consider. The Lord is at work with us.
(Cache Stake Conference, Logan, Utah, Sunday, November 1, 1891. Reported in Deseret Weekly, November 14, 1891.)
 
 
 

Now I will tell you what was manifested to me and what the Son of God performed in this thing. . . . All these things would have come to pass, as God Almighty lives, had not that Manifesto been given. Therefore, the Son of God felt disposed to have that thing presented to the Church and to the world for purposes in his own mind. The Lord had decreed the establishment of Zion. He had decreed the finishing of this temple. He had decreed that the salvation of the living and the dead should be given in these valleys of the mountains. And Almighty God decreed that the Devil should not thwart it. If you can understand that, that is a key to it.
 
(From a discourse at the sixth session of the dedication of the Salt Lake Temple, April 1893. Typescript of Dedicatory Services, Archives, Church Historical Department, Salt Lake City, Utah.)
 

 
 
 
 
What kind of  'Leadership' is THIS???
 
compared to...
 
 
 
 
Hebrews 11:35-40
 35.  Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection.
 36.  Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison.
 37.  They were stoned ; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated--
 38.  the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground. 
 
 
or compared to...
 

Acts 4:19.  But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God.
 


 
So much for an 'Everlasting Covenant' that thundered out of Heaven!!!
 
Well; it DID last about 47 years!
 



 
Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...
I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws..."

~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President

 


43 posted on 08/10/2011 4:25:20 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Monkey Face

BONGO!!!

Is this you??

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2761121/posts


44 posted on 08/10/2011 4:27:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

You ask because...?


45 posted on 08/10/2011 4:40:26 PM PDT by Monkey Face ("...I believe in angels; something good in everything I see..." ABBA)
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To: Scoutmaster; Godzilla; US Navy Vet
This post has nothing to do with LDS theology. It has to do with history. The LDS Church no longer permits polygamy, but to say that the church ended polygamy with the 1890 Manifesto is at best simplistic and at worst a lie. owever, most people who say that polygamy ended with the 1890 Manifesto have been taught faith-promoting history all their lives and have no idea about the difficult history of abandoning something so integral to the LDS Church.

Yeah. I'm frankly tired of the Media myth -- the media misunderstanding on polygamy -- as force-fed to them by the deceitful PR department of the Mormon Church.

As you mention, Scoutmaster, individual grassroots who've been force-fed "faith-promoting history" have largely been "simplistic" -- to think that all polygamous living arrangements suddenly vanished in 1890 with the wave of a Woodruff hand.

But the Mormon Church can't get off so easy. They know polygamy continued. B. Carmon Hardy in his book, Solemn Covenant, documents 262 additional plural marriage unions that came into "fruition" between 1890-1910. None of these would have been official had the Mormon church not arranged for a proper authority to solemnize the act. I reviewed that list and concluded that the last of these plural unions died out around the early 1960s.

So officially mainstream Mormon polygamy continued through less than 50 years ago. And Hardy's book was published in the early 1990s...so as Scoutmaster says, researchers over the past 20 years have continued to document hundreds -- if not thousands -- of additional plural unions. It may be, as Scoutmaster says, in excess of 2,000 that were performed through 1910.

ALL: Therefore, whenever you see a Mormon official use the "1890" year, know that he is speaking with forked tongue.

Scoutmaster also cited Lds "apostle" Dallin H. Oaks wrote as claiming "The performance of polygamous marriages also continued for a time outside the United States, where the application of the Manifesto was uncertain for a season." If Mormon officials were "uncertain" about applying the Manifesto, it was only so they could be deceitful about it...as Godzilla mentioned.

The fact is that most of those "performances" were U.S. couples going to Mexico for the solemnization and "honeymoon." IOW, they didn't reside in Mexico. Notice Oaks deceitfully doesn't provide more disclosure on these kind of details.

46 posted on 08/10/2011 4:43:59 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Elsie; Monkey Face
Nooooooooooooo........


47 posted on 08/10/2011 5:14:44 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Ah, yes. The bride-to-be. I hope he likes his multiple husbands, etc.


48 posted on 08/10/2011 5:48:01 PM PDT by redhead (—I will vote for Sarah Palin, even if I have to write her in. —)
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To: DannyTN
"13!? how many more does he need to catch Joseph Smith?"

Only 13? Gonna have to go some to match Brigham Young's 27.

49 posted on 08/10/2011 5:50:05 PM PDT by redhead (—I will vote for Sarah Palin, even if I have to write her in. —)
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To: greyfoxx39

“Smith thought he was above the law anyway.”

Oh, I know, but Colorfornian was just listing all the things we could charge him with if we held a mock trial nowadays. That’s why I was lamenting that he lived before the Mann act was passed.

Dang, did I really just lament that a federal law was NOT in effect? I must be going senile early, I’m only in my 30’s!


50 posted on 08/10/2011 6:25:06 PM PDT by Boogieman
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