Skip to comments.Two Worlds - Two Cultures
Posted on 08/19/2011 7:16:09 AM PDT by marshmallow
I am sure this will be happening in Madrid as it did in London.
Richard Dawkins brought at least one laspsed Catholic back to the Church during the Papal visit to the UK. She saw the the anti-Pope snarling mob led by Dawkins and Tatchel, with their plastic devil horns and inflated condoms, sex "toys" and angry faces and she saw the sheer joy of those cheering the Pope and the banners carried by the enthusiastic youth. She said it wasn't about arguments, it was about faces. Dawkins & co. glaring and hopeless, those who were there cheering the Pope full of hope and smiling - anger and joy, hate and love.
For her it was the contrast between two worlds, signified by the Pope and Dawkins, faith and faithlessness, hope and hopelessness, the spiritual and the material, light and darkness.
The same two worlds meet in Madrid, they will meet in Dublin next year in the Eucharistic Congress. There is no room for dialogue, there is no common language, there is only contrast. Ultimately this is an apocalyptic battle between Life and Death.
There are two worlds, two cultures that are irreconcilable. I think that it is very interesting that in Madrid as in London those who are anti manifest their opposition do so under the guise of being against the cost but actually so much of the opposition seems to revolve around sex and sexuality.
Should there be only one culture?
Insanity and sanity.
With regards to the sanctity of human life?
People should all believe the same? Where’s the balance in only having one of something? Suppose someone wants a war, and someone else doesn’t?
Well there's only one God, and as a result, one truth and one salvation which is eternal.
Is that too unbalanced for you?
You seem to miss the fact that the left is trying to impose its ¨one culture¨ on the Christians.
There´s an old saying that all heresy begins below the belt.
And if you´ll look at most heresies, you´ll find that this is true. The Cathari and a host of others had peculiar beliefs about sex (while many of these groups reject marriage, orgies seem to be ok), Luther wanted to get married and finally ended up writing in favor of polygamy, and then we have things like Islam and Mormonism, both of which (as we see in the FLDS trials) had ¨prophets¨ who favored lots of sex with very young girls and wanted their male followers to have the benefit of this.
That said, I wish somebody could post some of the photos from the Spanish press of the gays and leftists attacking priests, teenage visitors and anyone wearing a cross. There´s one particularly ugly one of a 50ish man screaming insults with his mouth right next to the face of a teenage girl, who is crying and has her cross pressed up against her lips.
The ¨demonstrators¨ were in an area that is a major transit crossing (Metro station, bus stops, etc.) and these pilgrims were just there on their way to events or even to the places they were staying and had no idea there was going to be this ugly crowd awaiting them. The City of Madrid tried to stop the ¨anti-Pope¨ groups from gathering there and get them to go to another location, but the Spanish Government (very anti-Catholic) insisted that they be allowed to do this, knowing full well that they intended to attack the pilgrims.
Their faces were so ugly and their deeds were so disgusting, though, that I think there has been a great outpouring of support for the Church, and suddenly many people are coming forward to publicly profess their faith. So God is bringing good out of evil.
Then 'someone else' will either fight or die.
And maybe both, but they'll have died on their feet rather than their knees, and the history of their courage will inspire ever more valor.
There is just NO balance, none.
This is about saving the western culture as well as bring it back to its Judeo/Christian heritiage and roots.
Is this the pic?
Here's another "one picture is worth a thousand words" image.
Such anger and hatred. It’s disturbing.
Never knew that old saying at all about all heresy begins below the belt. Learn something NEW today.
Also I sense that the socialist Spanish government is letting the anti-Pope protesters protest because I have read I believe on FR that there is a “conservative” political challenger challenging the present socialist PM in upcoming elections and they say that in most likely that the conservative will win. Plus also heard that there is more conservatives in the parliment.
I sense this abuse is going to also bring more young people and people in general into the Church or at least have a new found respect.
The one concern I do have is that those who are so opposed to the Church may use the horrible sex abuse scandals as a “weapon”, if you get my drift.
Good for me, but since God created everyone knowing how and what they would believe and seeing how the world really is and has been, it seems that’s just not the way He intended for it to be.
Yes, that sort of thing has been going on since there were people. That’s why I don’t believe there is a one world/culture possible. It’s just human nature, as God intended.
Could it just be because the people that originally defined heresy, said so?
What about the sanctity of life that was mentioned? Doesn’t that show that there is not just one world/culture?
Except that human nature is not as God intended, because of the Fall.
Terrible in both cases.
This is not peaceful protesting by those folks opposed to WYD, this is intimatdation. I had a few words to say to those who are doing the trouble making, but this post would be removed.
Actually, it's demonic. These people are simply revealing the nature of their master, the Father of Lies.
I doubt there will ever be a true equilibrium, just movement.
I do not believe that anything can happen that is not intended by God.
Kill the ones who want a war.
Preferably, by waging war against them.
Of course not, people won't believe the same. And of course it's unbalanced to have only one side of something....... even about the sanctity of human life.
You see, there will always be two sides: Evil, and good. Evil will always hate life, and truth, and goodness.
So there's your balance, stu!
Right, that’s what I was trying to tell Mr. Mallow.
If I decide to rape, torture and murder somebody today, on the spur of the moment, does that mean that God wants me to do it? I doubt that the claim that "God made me do it" will carry much weight either with the judge here in the courtroom or with the Judge in Heaven.
To balance your effort, I was trying to REMOVE that very thought from Mr. Mallow.
No, it simply means you are part of a Flash Mob.
Isn't sin, by definition, something contrary to the Divine will? Isn't it therefore a contradiction for God to intend sin? Doesn't believing that God intends sin make the concept of "sin" meaningless?
I really do not know if God wants you to, but He certainly created you knowing you would do it, right?
You’re right, that is not a very convincing plea for the courts here on earth. I cannot say what happens after death.
I have no idea what God intends, but I do believe that He knows what we will do in our lifetimes.
I believe that is our human definition, as for God, I do not know His definition or if He even has one. He may look at the things we do here on earth completely differently.
No, it simply means you are part of a Flash Mob.
There's nothing new under the sun. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_mob:
"In 1973, the story "Flash Crowd" by Larry Niven described a concept similar to flash mobs. With the invention of popular and very inexpensive teleportation, an argument at a shopping mall which happens to be covered by a news crew quickly swells into a riot. In the story, broadcast coverage attracts the attention of other people, who use the widely available technology of the teleportation booth to swarm first that event thus intensifying the riot and then other events as they happen. Commenting on the social impact of such mobs, one character (articulating the police view) says, "We call them flash crowds, and we watch for them." In related short stories, they are named as a prime location for illegal activities (such as pickpocketing and looting) to take place."
The Church Fathers certainly wrestled with the concept of foreknowledge, but only Augustine wandered over to the predestination of the saints. Calvin, of course, took it a step further.
Youre right, that is not a very convincing plea for the courts here on earth. I cannot say what happens after death.
Hebrews 9: 27Just as it is appointed that human beings die once, and after this the judgment,t 28so also Christ, offered once to take away the sins of many,* will appear a second time, not to take away sin but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await him.u
I still cannot say what happens after death.
That contradicts what you said in #22, where you said that nothing happens except what God intends. If #22 is correct, then you do know at least part of what God intends: it's what happens.
I do believe that He knows what we will do in our lifetimes.
And you're absolutely right about that. But knowing about something isn't the same as intending it.
I would agree with you if you said that everything that happens, happens either because God permits it or because He positively wills (that is, intends) it. The "permits" clause is required, at the very least, because God cannot intend for us to commit sin.
Please reread #22. I said I didn’t believe, not that I actually know. Of course I can’t know. You’re very blessed to actually know so much.
“There´s an old saying that all heresy begins below the belt. And if you´ll look at most heresies, you´ll find that this is true.”
I made this shocking discovery without knowing about the heresies. I was doing some research on a specific individual and a specific event which tracked back to secret societies. An amazing trail which I’m still on...
Those two guys look gay as all get out. It figures they are picking on young girls; later they probably were trying to pick up young boys. Gays in this country are very anti-Catholic too.
There´s another one where he got even closer to her (theoretically, they weren´t supposed to physically touch the WYD attendees) and you can see the spittle flying as he screams in her ear. At that point, she is crying.
A lot of Catholics, not only young ones, did show up later to protect the pilgrims. Sol is where you come up out of the Metro from practically anywhere in Madrid, so a lot of the visitors didn´t even know that these thugs were waiting for them.
Interesting! What was the secret society?
I might have to schedule a road trip to Rio for the next one. I know it's supposed to be for youth, but they shouldn't have to take all that heat alone.
“Interesting! What was the secret society?”
The “Hell Fire Club” is an umbrella name for the many clubs/societies. One can track a general template back to the 14/15th c, the “dissolution” of the old Guilds, e.g., this poster looked at N. Holland - Wm of Orange, Orange Lodges in N Ireland etc. The banning of Catholic paintings led to new “enlightened” openings (all craftsmen needed a benefactor or patron) in publishing, scuptural, painting, poetry, books, plays, music, operas, philosophical, social thinker endeavors which omitted God altogether for the most part - began to fill the void with humanism. All of which led to High Mannerisms, the Romantic period, Symbolism, and so much more. Tolstoy in War and Peace illustrated that leaders are constrained by what is happening with the masses. Or put another way, leaders make opportunistic use of the tendencies of the masses.
The picture above is Francis Dashwood - one of the more infamous pagans but there were/are many others -
“Chiswick House has also been linked with Freemasonry, and is believed by some scholars to have functioned as a Masonic Lodge or Temple, given that some of the ceiling paintings by William Kent in the Gallery and the Red, Blue and Summer Parlour Rooms contain iconography of a strong Masonic, Hermetic, and possible Jacobite character. Lord Burlington’s status as an important Freemason is indicated by his inclusion in the Freemason’s Pocket Companion of 1736 and in a poem in James Anderson’s Constitutions of the Free Masons of 1723 where he is linked to an illustrious line of personalities. Pat Rogers has argued that Chiswick House was a symbolic temple, based on so-called Royal Arch Freemasonry, involving a Hermetic intervention designed to heal the sufferings of the exiled Jews.” -
The Secret Society of Dilettanti 1734 - Prince Charles is an hononory member - benefactor Dashwood - see link above.
Ribald and profane, the Society nurtured a lively curiosity for ancient erotica, piqued by the sensational finds of sexually explicit art in Herculaneum and Pompeii. They made a subversive contribution to the interpretation of ancient mythology and religion with A Discourse on the Worship of Priapus, which drew from reports of a phallic cult in southern Italy. Designed both to inform and to titillate, this daring treatise argued that all art is rooted in religion, and all religion in sexuality. The exhibition Grecian Taste and Roman Spirit includes what scandalized critics termed obscene artifacts, installed in an intimate, dimly lit gallery evoking the museo segreto, or a cabinet of erotic curiosities. ...
“Anne, Countess of Castlehaven (d. 1647), was involved in one of the most sensational trials in British history. On Monday, 25 April 1631, her husband, the Earl of Castlehaven, was tried and convicted of sodomy (i.e., buggery with one of his servants) and rape (of his wife, i.e, restraining her while another of his servants raped her). For these crimes the Earl was beheaded on 14 May 1631.”
One can learn a lot about “revolutions” from the Anglo-Irish United Irishmen (not saying there wasn’t a need for an uprising but the Irish were used just like the peasantry in France) - note the “liberty cap” aka “Phrygian cap” on their logo -
Homosexuals have claimed Ganymedes as their man-child patron -
Mrs. Elizabeth Aldworth 1693 - 1775
Elizabeth Aldworth, known as The Lady Freemason. Born The Hon. Elizabeth St. Leger, daughter of Lord Doneraile of Doneraile Court, in 1693 and married in 1713 to Richard Aldworth, Esq.
From a narrative published by the family in 1811 it appears that, upon secretly observing the first two degrees of a lodge at labour in her fathers home, she was discovered and, after discussion, initiated in the Entered Apprentice and Fellowcraft Degree.
The initiation was in 1712 to Lodge No44 at Doneraile Court.
THE MAIN FACT OF HER BEING MADE A MASON REMAINS UNDISPUTED....
A COPY OF HER INITIATION...
THE FAMILY BLUEBLOOD LINEAGE...
MASONIC REGALIA AT THE CORK MUSEUM...
Your refusal to accept reality does not alter reality.
“Your refusal to accept reality does not alter reality. The banning of women only holds for Andersons Constitutions (the so-called Enlightenment period, a period when inversions were first notably initiated) as theres no such explicit ban against women in the Old Charges.”
“FreeMasonry history acknowledges Elizabeth St. Leger as a FreeMason - that you personally dont is of little consequence.”
“I can also backup my comments in post #89 from Masonic writings, Historical writings, and pedigree. When I get time Ill also defend that vilified post.”
A letter from George Washington, Mount Vernon, October 24, 1798 - To Reverend G. W. Snyder:
...It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am..... http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=WasFi36.xml&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=388&division=div1
Elizabeth St Leger Aldworth even had her membership engraved into her tombstone with the words Initiated into Freemasonry in Lodge No. 44 at Doneraile Court In this County along with a square and compass, the symbol of the Freemasons. Jack St Leger was a co-founder of an infamous Hell Fire Club in Kilkenny - her grandchildren married into the Gascoyne-Cecils who are married into Sackville-West via the Fitzgeralds. The Rothchilds own Jacks painting by Gainsborough.
Post 125 - This Anglo-Irish family are a very well-known name in the history books of Ireland. Her father was the Lord Deputy of Ireland who worked hard for King Henry VIII. I wont go into her fathers role in the Dissolution and Theft of the Irish Monasteries and his friendship with Cromwell... Whats interesting is why this family felt the need to become lodgers in their own home and what did she see that made her faint...The bluebloods also have different practices than the lower class. Just read about the sexual-diviancy of the Pre-Raphaelites, Cambridge Apostles, Keynesians, [Bloomsbury and Kit-Cat group/club] Fabians, and so on...(cant substantiate that they were ALL freemasons nor that they were ALL diviants but many were).
The Hellfire Club
Copyright (c) 1996 Andrew Behan (?a relative of Brendan)
“The president of the club was Richard Chappell Whaley, a descendant of Oliver Cromwell and known as Burn-Chapel Whaley on account of his penchant for setting fire to Catholic churches. (these people hated Catholics with a passion - we were also a threat to their lifestyle because they stole all of it from the Irish Catholics). Evidence of the identities of other members comes from a painting by James Worsdale titled The Hell Fire Club, now held by the National Gallery of Ireland, which shows five members of the club seated around a table. The five men are Harry Barry, Lord Santry (who was tried and convicted for murder in 1739); Simon Luttrell, Lord Irnham; Colonel Henry Bessborough; Colonel Richard St George and Colonel Clements. Most of their meetings occurred in Dublin city centre, either at the Eagle Tavern on Cork Hill, near Dublin Castle, or at Daly’s Club on College Green. Accounts of the club’s meetings claim that members drank scaltheen, a mixture of whiskey and hot butter, and that they left a chair vacant at each gathering for the Devil. The club’s mascot was a black cat (Dashwoods was a chip dressed up as a monk).”
“”The late Earl of Rosse was, in character and disposition, like the humorous Earl of Rochester; he had an infinite fund of wit, great spirits, and a liberal heart; was fond of all the vices which the beau monde call pleasures, and by those means first impaired his fortune as much as he possibly could do; and finally, his health, beyond repair.””
John Ruskin (whose mentor was Thomas Carlyle whose mentor was Wm Irving started this society. He was a mentor to Cecil Rhodes from the Rhodes Scolar fame, ie Clinton et al, Clintons mentor was Carrol Quigley who wrote a great book which included a few of these secret societies...
It’s been a while since I really dug deeply into the members of this society but remember thinking how many of their children died at a young age. When one thinks of families like the one portrayed by Jane Austen who only lived a few miles away from one of them it does make one wonder how much they cared for their offspring. I don’t remember which members wife who repented and became a Catholic.
Bloomsbury Group - most of the members ancestors were involved with luciferianism and/or social humanism -
Keynes at Harvard...here you’ll find a chapter on their sexual perversions..
Probably a lot more than you asked for but it helped me get some of it together since I crashed my wordprocessor and lost most of the info/links I’d gathered disappeared...there’s lots more...of course. :) One of the St Legers (I think Jacks son) was an officer for the British Army against Americans in the Revolution).