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Mexican Presbyterian church severs ties with US Presbyterians over gay clergy
Washington Post ^ | 26 Aug 2011 | AP

Posted on 08/29/2011 4:55:12 AM PDT by Cronos

Presbyterians in Mexico are breaking ties with the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) because of differences over homosexuality.

The theologically conservative National Presbyterian Church of Mexico voted to stop working with the U.S. denomination. U.S. Presbyterians voted last May to remove barriers for ordaining people in same-sex relationships. The churches share a 139-year history and a network of social service ministries that spans the Mexican-U.S. border.

Presbyterian leaders in the United States said Wednesday they are saddened by the decision and hope to find a way they can continue helping the needy in Mexico and along the border.

The vote by the Mexican church was announced as a group of theologically conservative U.S. Presbyterians meet in Minnesota to debate whether they should break with the denomination, which is based in Louisville.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: gayagenda; pinkmafia
Seems like we'll be learning from the Mexicans...
1 posted on 08/29/2011 4:55:15 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

This was expected. The Episcopal Church also has the same division as orthodox congregations seek leadership from those who share the same Biblically correct stance. How sad that the Presbyterians, who once were the vanguard of orthodoxy, have gone the way of the liberal and heretical Episcopal Church.


2 posted on 08/29/2011 5:06:30 AM PDT by sueuprising (The best of it is, God is with us-John Wesley)
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To: Cronos

Good for Mexico. Even though that nation is in turmoil at least its Presbyterians know the difference between obeying God’s word and downright perversion.

Shoving one’s pee-pee up another’s poo-poo is not only an unnatural and unsanitary way of getting one’s sexual jollies it is against God’s will and gets the participants a one way ticket to hell.


3 posted on 08/29/2011 5:07:47 AM PDT by IbJensen (God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made politicians.)
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To: IbJensen
I've said this before -- I do not believe that there is a gay gene. People may have tendencies to like another of the same gender, but what you described is so unnatural I can't believe it true

Many of those classified in the 2% of whom are gay, are really, imho, experimenters. In our society where "shacking up" is considered so common if you don't do it, you're considered weird, where extra-marital jollies are condoned, where divorce is easier than paying a traffic violation, no wonder people are trying to get their jollies in ever more perverse ways.

4 posted on 08/29/2011 5:16:31 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: sueuprising

welll, technically they were not in orthodoxy as Chesterton would describe it — Anglicans and Lutherans are closer to that. But your point is correct that it is so apparent how the pinkmafia is targetting one Christian group after another


5 posted on 08/29/2011 5:18:10 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos

And yet out Constitution is pro church and theirs is anti.

Let’s all remember that the Ubited States Constitution defends the freedom of the church as an unmitigated good against government tyranny and lawlessness.

“Congress shall make no law having to do with a church or other place of worship , or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”.

To have freedom of secular speech to inluence laws, but not freedom of religious speech to effect laws-—makes the Constitution unbalanced towards the influence of the press over the churches and non-secular worldviews.

Funny thing is that the people who push for science and against religion don’t understand the limits of science or Reason and don’t understand that religious and moral thinking are essential to a free society, being that “rights” themselves are not physical, but are moral/conceptual.

And for people who claim that “science” and Reason should be exhalted as gods, they have little skepticism for the claims of science or rationalism!


6 posted on 08/29/2011 5:26:06 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Cronos
U.S. Presbyterians voted last May to remove barriers for ordaining people in same-sex relationships.

The Mexicans are refusing to be part of this apostate church. Good for them.
U.S churches are willing to sell souls to the highest bidder. "It's the collection plate, stupid."

7 posted on 08/29/2011 5:48:28 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Cronos

My theory is that in many of the cases of first-time sexual encounter the incided happens as mild homosexual experimentation. Then one, or both, of the partners see that way to orgasm is the easiest for them. It then becomes more difficult to approach females and go through the rigors of dating and marriage.

The experimentor then morphs into a died-in-the-wool freak and jumps into the homosexual acid bath.

When one looks at statistics regarding homosexuals, their behavior and their agenda for America (get the kids) they fail to look at the statistic that shows the very dark side of homosexual behavior. One statistic that these perverts neglect to study is that of all serial killings and most one shot murders, the perpetrator is a homosexual.

It is ludicrous that most homosexuals believe that religion is their anathema. They’d rather worship satan and disturb other Christians seeking God. Their spokesmen avoid or deny that redemption is at hand and they can save their souls by confessing their evil and repenting. Instead, those who espouse conversion are the ones getting stoned.


8 posted on 08/29/2011 5:51:41 AM PDT by IbJensen (God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made politicians.)
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To: Cronos

We need someone in the WH to straighten all this out and get them back in the closet and STFU. I’m thinking Palin can do it.


9 posted on 08/29/2011 6:08:49 AM PDT by Rappini (Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: Cronos

bump


10 posted on 08/29/2011 6:09:58 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Cronos; mickie; flaglady47; Bizzy Bugz; magnum force 1
Notice the typical knee-jerk, leftist ideological reaction of the propagandist for the U.S. Presbyterian Church...."we are saddened and hope to find a way to continue helping the needy in Mexico and along the border."

There were no words of soul-searching, no Biblical references, no prayerful analysis, no misgivings, no thoughts of reviewing its pro-homosexual stand, no signs of conscience......just a hard-core Marxist "social justice"/"re-distribute the wealth" platitude in reaction to an integral part of the denomination's "very-being" permanently breaking away.

The effete clergy in the U.S. Presbyterian Church are now not only apostates but they have actually become collared social workers and assistants for the amoral State, not for the real God from whom we get our rights and divine directions for morality.....and for helping the needy.

The Prebyterian Church's sick promotion of the homosexual lifestyle apparantly trumps all reason and biblical faith.

Leni

11 posted on 08/29/2011 6:34:56 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Too Bad Those of Us who Work for a Living Have to Support Those who Vote for a Living)
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To: MinuteGal
The Prebyterian Church's sick promotion of the homosexual lifestyle apparantly trumps all reason and biblical faith.

The Presbyterian USA Church's sick promotion of the homosexual lifestyle apparantly trumps all reason and biblical faith.

This is Not the Presbyterian PCA. Please be specific or else your tar brush will be too broad.

12 posted on 08/29/2011 6:59:17 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: sr4402; mickie
I'm sorry I'm not familiar with all the initialed segments of the Presbyterian Church. My comment was in context with the posted article and I'm sure readers got my drift....plus who I was referring to plus the broader points I was making.

Your reference to me having a "tar brush" is hostile and unwarranted. You could have posted your explanatory information in a more brotherly fashion.

Leni

13 posted on 08/29/2011 7:19:35 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Too Bad Those of Us who Work for a Living Have to Support Those who Vote for a Living)
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To: MinuteGal
Your reference to me having a "tar brush" is hostile and unwarranted. You could have posted your explanatory information in a more brotherly fashion.

Well, we were included under that brush weren't we.

14 posted on 08/29/2011 7:23:09 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: IbJensen
The problem with homosexuals is their entire world, personal, political, etc..., revolves around sex. They cannot separate anything from the act of sex. They define their being as being homosexuals. Sex is the be all and end all in their lives.

While sex is important in a committed marriage, it is not the only thing. If you take God, family, and commitment away from a marriage and make it all about sex it will fail. Take away sex, even while leaving the rest, and it will also probably fail.

Living your life around a sexual point of view twists these people.

15 posted on 08/29/2011 7:26:52 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Cronos

The Presbyterian Church USA doesn’t have pastors standing there on Sunday mornings speaking in favor of gay marriage or abortion.

It’s a hidden agenda. On Sunday mornings, the pastor talks about the poor, etc.

The elderly widow who has gone to that church her entire life is probably clueless to the real agenda of the Presbyterian Church USA.

I even know conservatives who belong to a huge Presbyterian Church USA in the suburbs. I tried to tell them what’s going on in that denomination, but so far they still attend.

Democrats, for the most part, support that agenda, but they aren’t big church goers.

The church’s days are numbered, and it might eventually become a gay social meeting place.

They do have a lot of money, though, that is constantly bequeathed to them.


16 posted on 08/29/2011 7:33:13 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Cronos

There has been a very concerted and highly organized effort by gay groups to subvert and take over the PCUSA. Sadly, they are close to complete success.


17 posted on 08/29/2011 7:41:36 AM PDT by cookcounty ("I feel really uncomfortable, because I love loving him," --brilliant Matha's Vinyud liberal)
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To: Cronos

You don’t have to be a scholar of religious demographics to know that membership losses at PCUSA will accelerate, and then the denomination will largely be cast aside as an irrelevant husk.

For those viewing trends through the lens of “he who blesses you will I bless, and he who curses you will I curse,” the recent troubles are perhaps the result of the PCUSA’s anti-Semitic, anti-Israel resolutions (passed overwhelmingly I might add) of 2004. They have since tried to correct this error by stating that the Jews should be excluded from any efforts to share the blessings of salvation in Messiah Jesus.


18 posted on 08/29/2011 8:11:11 AM PDT by cookcounty ("I feel really uncomfortable, because I love loving him," --brilliant Matha's Vinyud liberal)
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To: Cronos

Last year when I was in the Taos New Mexico area I was surprised at how many little towns had Presbyterian churches.


19 posted on 08/29/2011 8:13:28 AM PDT by cookcounty ("I feel really uncomfortable, because I love loving him," --brilliant Matha's Vinyud liberal)
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To: Cronos
One doesn't need to be a religious person or subscribe to any particular doctrine to know that some things (ie. gay lifestyle, fags, homos, pick your epithet) are just plain wrong.

As a lifelong atheist, I don't have to subscribe to any particular doctrine to know this.

20 posted on 08/29/2011 8:38:10 AM PDT by EN1 Sailor (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness)
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To: IbJensen
One statistic that these perverts neglect to study is that of all serial killings and most one shot murders, the perpetrator is a homosexual.

I believe the former is true too, do you have statistics that I could link to?

21 posted on 08/30/2011 12:28:49 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: OldMissileer; IbJensen
While sex is important in a committed marriage, it is not the only thing. If you take God, family, and commitment away from a marriage and make it all about sex it will fail. Take away sex, even while leaving the rest, and it will also probably fail.

I disagree with you slightly -- the primary points of marriage are to be God and commitment.

Sex and family may come and go -- what of severely disabled people or very, very old folks? Companionship and God are still there

The problem is when we removed sex from being a component (and not the most important one) of a marriage to be JUST about fun (note: just -- sex should be enjoyable, but should not be just about enjoyment).

By going down this route we said ok to contraception "to prevent mistakes" and for the 5 to 10% of "mistakes", there is the "mistake-corrector" aka "abortion" and if not then "welfare single-mother" and "free to have sex with multiple partners, fathers"

And to avoid this, why not gay sex? it's all related. Plus the ease of getting a divorce "on irreconcilable grounds", societies acceptance of "shacking up" to the extent that if one does NOT do this, then one is considered abnormal etc. etc.

22 posted on 08/30/2011 12:34:03 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: EN1 Sailor; IbJensen

True — as IbJensen put it so well in post 3 “Shoving one’s pee-pee up another’s poo-poo is not only an unnatural and unsanitary way of getting one’s sexual jollies it is against God’s will “ —> it’s unsanitary and just abnormal.


23 posted on 08/30/2011 12:35:37 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Cronos

It’s interesting, too, that when the conservative Episcopalian parishes broke with the ECUSA after it ordained the gay bishop, they joined with a diocese in Africa. Guess we DO have a few things to learn from the “Third World.”


24 posted on 08/30/2011 12:39:10 AM PDT by EDINVA ( Jimmy McMillan '12: because RENT'S TOO DAMN HIGH)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
They do have a lot of money, though, that is constantly bequeathed to them.

Who's doing the bequeathing?

25 posted on 08/30/2011 12:46:42 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Cronos

http://www.adherents.com/misc/hsk.html


26 posted on 08/30/2011 6:07:41 AM PDT by IbJensen (Welfare: putting a cake under the sink expecting that it wonÂ’t attract cockroaches.)
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To: IbJensen

thanks.


27 posted on 08/30/2011 6:38:24 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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