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My Faith: Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), from Catholic to Muslim
CNN ^ | 9/1/11 | Chris Welch

Posted on 09/02/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by marshmallow

Minneapolis, Minnesota (CNN) –Prior to 2006, few people even knew that then-Minnesota state legislator Keith Ellison was a Muslim. Because of his English name, he said, no one thought to ask.

But five years ago, when he ran for a seat in the United States House of Representatives - a race he would go on to win - word of his religious affiliation began to spread.

“When I started running for Congress it actually took me by surprise that so many people were fascinated with me being the first Muslim in Congress,” said Ellison, a Democrat now serving his third term in the House.

“But someone said to me, ‘Look Keith, think of a person of Japanese origin running for Congress six years after Pearl Harbor–this might be a news story.’”

Though Ellison's status as the first Muslim elected to Congress is widely known, fewer are aware that he was born into a Catholic family in Detroit and was brought up attending Catholic schools.

But he said he was never comfortable with that faith.

“I just felt it was ritual and dogma,” Ellison said. “Of course, that’s not the reality of Catholicism, but it’s the reality I lived. So I just kind of lost interest and stopped going to Mass unless I was required to.”

It wasn’t until he was a student at Wayne State University in Detroit when Ellison began, “looking for other things.”

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Poster child for the Church's lost generations over the last half century.
1 posted on 09/02/2011 9:07:49 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
I'm not a very good practicing Catholic, but it MUST be the one, true religion after all....

it must be too tough....too demanding an intellectual and physical and emotional effort....

Ellison baby...you didn't leave because you didn't agree with Catholic teachings...you left because you couldn't live up to the expectations....

its so much easier to belong to an entity that claims ownership over women and encourages violence....

2 posted on 09/02/2011 9:23:04 AM PDT by cherry
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AMERICANS FOR A MUSLIM FREE AMERICA.

WE LEARNED ALL WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ISLAM ON 9/11


3 posted on 09/02/2011 9:36:17 AM PDT by troy McClure
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To: marshmallow

If you are a “black”, and also a “Muslim”..are your therefore automatically a BLACK MUSLIM? Does he wear bowties?


4 posted on 09/02/2011 9:40:10 AM PDT by ken5050 (Should Christie RUN in 2012? NO!!! But he should WALK three miles every day!)
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To: cherry

Not to mention that Christianity does not proclaim the death penalty for people who leave it, whereas Islam does... What if he decides to drop out of Islam and try yet another religion in his obviously nomadic religious life?


6 posted on 09/02/2011 9:56:35 AM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: marshmallow

Excuse me, Rep. Ellison: according to revered Islamic sources, Mohammed personally took part in beheading defenseless prisoners. Why do you venerate this man?


8 posted on 09/02/2011 10:03:39 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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Every “moderate” Muslim is a potential terrorist. The belief in Islam is like a tank of gasoline. It looks innocuous, until it meets the fire. For a “moderate” Muslim to become a murderous jihadist, all it takes is a spark of faith.

Ali Sini

10 posted on 09/02/2011 10:06:22 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: MarkBsnr

People have free will, they can choose to defy God, and his will, as Ellison has, and they will reap their eternal reward.

I am a convert to Catholicism, I don’t hold the church responsible for Ellison choosing to leave the church and become a Muslim. That was his decision.

Evangelism requires that a person’s heart be open towards God. Not everyone is open to him.


12 posted on 09/02/2011 10:26:53 AM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: marshmallow

He became a Muslim because he felt Catholicism was too Dogmatic????

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That’s like saying I turned out all the lights in my house because I felt it was too dark.


13 posted on 09/02/2011 10:28:31 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: MarkBsnr
"I consider that the failure of the Church to garner every lost soul for Christ to be, well, a failure."

I do not consider it a failure of the Church, but a failure of the individuals. The comfort I speak of is not that souls are lost, but that the Church remains the beacon of truth and light and facilitates a path to Salvation for those who seek it. I am comforted in knowing that the Church does not and will not compromise its message for the sake of headcount.

14 posted on 09/02/2011 10:36:51 AM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: marshmallow
“I just felt it was ritual and dogma”

. . . and Islam is what?

15 posted on 09/02/2011 10:42:32 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: metmom
Charming as usual....

No kidding...

Hoss

16 posted on 09/02/2011 10:44:56 AM PDT by HossB86 ( NOBODY admits to being a Calvinist unless they are one. I AM ONE.)
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To: Natural Law
actually find it comforting that there was no room in the Church

I do not.

First off, the Church did not kick any of these folks out. They chose, for whatever reasons, to remove themselves.

That's their fault.

But in many cases, they did so because the Church did a hideously poor job of teaching them the Faith.

That's "our" fault.

17 posted on 09/02/2011 10:51:51 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: patriot08
Every “moderate” Muslim is a potential terrorist. The belief in Islam is like a tank of gasoline. It looks innocuous, until it meets the fire. For a “moderate” Muslim to become a murderous jihadist, all it takes is a spark of faith.

Approximately 85% of Mosques preach against Americans & violence is acceptable. They all should be closed down immediately.

18 posted on 09/02/2011 11:48:36 AM PDT by Digger (T)
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To: HamiltonJay

He became a Muslim because he felt Catholicism was too Dogmatic????

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That’s like saying I turned out all the lights in my house because I felt it was too dark.


ABSOLUTELY INDEED.


19 posted on 09/02/2011 4:17:39 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Digger

Seems to me . . . if we merely

‘returned the favor’

1. we’d close them all down;
2. pour pig fat throughout them an burn them to the ground;
3. pour salt and Round-up all over the Muslim land.
4. post a permanent marker in heavy stone about why such was done.

But then, we don’t want to be like them.


20 posted on 09/02/2011 4:17:41 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: BenKenobi
People have free will, they can choose to defy God, and his will, as Ellison has, and they will reap their eternal reward. I am a convert to Catholicism, I don’t hold the church responsible for Ellison choosing to leave the church and become a Muslim. That was his decision. Evangelism requires that a person’s heart be open towards God. Not everyone is open to him.

Oh, I agree. However, it is not something to gloat over. We have lost a soul and I believe that it counts as a failure. I don't hold the Church responsible, perhaps certain individuals in it, but overall, a soul lost is still a soul lost.

21 posted on 09/02/2011 4:49:12 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Natural Law
"I consider that the failure of the Church to garner every lost soul for Christ to be, well, a failure."

I do not consider it a failure of the Church, but a failure of the individuals. The comfort I speak of is not that souls are lost, but that the Church remains the beacon of truth and light and facilitates a path to Salvation for those who seek it. I am comforted in knowing that the Church does not and will not compromise its message for the sake of headcount.

Overall, I agree, however, the fact is that the souls are lost. That is a sad thing, to be grieved.

22 posted on 09/02/2011 4:50:47 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: marshmallow

Do you think it may have boiled over a bit when Ellison insisted on being sworn in over a Koran instead of a Bible?


24 posted on 09/02/2011 4:58:39 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I like both Perry and Palin, and will vote for whichever of them wins.)
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To: CynicalBear

Ping to post 11.


26 posted on 09/02/2011 5:14:56 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: CynicalBear

Ping to post 11.


27 posted on 09/02/2011 5:14:56 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: CynicalBear; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
Some people don't have a clue what being a follower of Christ means for those who claim that they hold the very words of Christ Himself in such high esteem.

Luke 6:27-36, 43-45

27"But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. 29 To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. 30 Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. 31And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

32 "If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. 35But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. 36 Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.

Maybe they never got around to reading that part of the Gospels in their mass.

28 posted on 09/02/2011 5:15:48 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: CynicalBear
"That has to be the most vile post I’ve seen on FR since I’ve been here."

That's only because you are apparently not not offended by virulent and vile anti-Catholicism.

"Don’t ever claim the love of Christ in your heart because we know better."

My posts are always interpreted exactly the way you want them to be, just like Scripture, to fit your preexisting prejudices. The post wasn't vile at all in either content or intent. I am saying that I am glad that the Church doesn't compromise it's Catechism, doctrines and dogmas to appease the evil and the malcontents. And, some I don't consider Christian, based upon the crackpot theology presented daily by some of those so-called Christians. Paulians, maybe, but not Christians.

29 posted on 09/02/2011 5:16:04 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: Natural Law

I’m an exCatholic, and now an evangelical Christian. Am I failed as well?


30 posted on 09/02/2011 5:23:20 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Natural Law

Get thee behind me.


31 posted on 09/02/2011 5:24:59 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: MarkBsnr

I did see that. Like I said in my post I read no further till I posted. Good on you by the way.


32 posted on 09/02/2011 5:27:05 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

CB, the amount of hatred you appear to have for the Church doesn’t stop at wishing we would take in with smoochy love all those who denigrate us and criticize all of us. I stand with Natural Law, as you probably guessed. Thanks for all the kind, loving, Christian remarks you’ve sent my way, too.

Don’t every claim the love of Christ in YOUR heart, because we all know better. Thanks for setting us such a good example over the years.


33 posted on 09/02/2011 5:35:26 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: CynicalBear
"Get thee behind me."

Oh, you don't feel unconditionally loved by me so now I am Satan? Its pretty obvious from your posting history that you don't "feel the love" for Catholics and Catholicism, either.

34 posted on 09/02/2011 5:37:33 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: metmom
Maybe they never got around to reading that part of the Gospels in their mass.

Clearly you didn't. There are plenty of posts under YOUR name with some really crude and ugly remarks. Thanks to you for leaving the Church and setting everyone such a good example too.

35 posted on 09/02/2011 5:37:53 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Natural Law

The hypocrisy is stunning.


36 posted on 09/02/2011 5:39:27 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne
>> CB, the amount of hatred you appear to have for the Church<<

For the errors of the RCC? Yes, I hate error in teaching and will speak out against it at every opportunity. >> I stand with Natural Law<<

So you’re also happy when someone leaves the church? My, My!

>> Thanks for setting us such a good example over the years.<<

Over the years? Do you keep that good of track? ROFL Better check on how long I’ve been here. It’s best to do research before we speak it seems.

37 posted on 09/02/2011 5:46:36 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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If we are......

Join the crowd.


38 posted on 09/02/2011 5:59:55 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: CynicalBear

Thanks, then, for all your many kindnesses, showing us Catholics how you live your faith. Much obliged, learned a lot from you.


39 posted on 09/02/2011 6:00:35 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: CynicalBear

The lost sheep, the lost coin, the prodigal son in Luke 15.

The Father does not rejoice in those who are lost, He actively seeks them and rejoices in finding them.

Since when did the shepherd kick the lost sheep while it was down and then walk away and abandon it.

I sure hope there are more Catholics who are seeing why some of us have left the Catholic church and have no desire to return.

What use is a religion that doesn’t result in a changed heart and mind towards others? Whatever happened to showing their faith by their works? Or is that just relegated to going to confession, saying the rosary, attending mass weekly?

Luke 19:10 For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”

He doesn’t shoot people while they’re down.


40 posted on 09/02/2011 6:08:08 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Judith Anne
"The hypocrisy is stunning."

I have never witnessed any of the "usual" anti-Catholics ever rebuke, criticize or distance themselves from even the most obscene and contemptible comments by any of the other anti-Catholics.....ever. Their outrage at my comment stating only that I am comforted by the fact that people such as them have excluded themselves from the Church by their words, thoughts and actions, and that the Church has remained resolute is as believable as the muslims in the streets raging against the US.

41 posted on 09/02/2011 6:32:42 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: Natural Law

Same here


42 posted on 09/02/2011 6:36:03 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: metmom
The Father does not rejoice in those who are lost, He actively seeks them and rejoices in finding them. Since when did the shepherd kick the lost sheep while it was down and then walk away and abandon it.

Agreed on all points.

I sure hope there are more Catholics who are seeing why some of us have left the Catholic church and have no desire to return.

At some point, we have to grow up and overcome all the real and perceived slights of our childhood.

What use is a religion that doesn’t result in a changed heart and mind towards others? Whatever happened to showing their faith by their works? Or is that just relegated to going to confession, saying the rosary, attending mass weekly?

If it is strictly just mechanical, then it is equivalent to any mechanical practice.

He doesn’t shoot people while they’re down.

You've shot your share on FR...

46 posted on 09/02/2011 7:45:16 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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Isn't there a prohibition against dragging issues from post to post and making posts about other Freepers? Doesn't this policy apply equally to Alex?
47 posted on 09/02/2011 7:56:11 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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Do not bring arguments over from previous threads and do not make this thread "about" an individual Freeper.

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

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