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USCCB campaign urges parishes to pray, preach on behalf of DREAM Act
Catholic Culture ^ | August 19, 2011

Posted on 09/05/2011 3:24:17 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

The Justice for Immigrants campaign of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops is urging priests across the nation to “incorporate petitions, prayers and homilies” into Sunday Masses on September 25 in support of passage of the DREAM Act. The bill, first introduced in 2001, would provide a path to citizenship for some illegal immigrants.

The Justice for Immigrants campaign has also issued an invitation to “plan a vigil or public event between Sept. 18 - Oct. 9 in support of our DREAM students and youth” and offers a “sample agenda and elements of a powerful event” to assist in planning.


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: catholic; prudentialstatement; usccb
The Justice for Immigrants campaign of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops is urging priests across the nation to “incorporate petitions, prayers and homilies” into Sunday Masses on September 25 in support of passage of the DREAM Act.
1 posted on 09/05/2011 3:24:22 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: All
Related threads:
At Meeting, Clergy Given Guidance On Law’s Impact
Catholic Conference Testifies Against Immigration Bill
Defeat of DREAM Act only a temporary setback, says Archbishop Gomez
CSF interview: Father Moises Agudo [on illegal latinos entering Catholic seminaries & schools]
Vatican official steps down after stirring debate on French immigration policy
President's immigration reform speech a good sign,says US Conference Catholic Bishops migration dir
Curia archbishop addresses illegal immigration [solutions "other than" sanctions, border closures]
New L.A. Archbishop...Discusses Immigration & Hispanics In Church
Solving illegal immigration requires fixing economic causes, stresses Bishop Wester
Immigration Integration [Catholic Bishops Advocate for Humane Treatment of Illegal Immigrants]
Vatican official prods US on immigration reform
Archbishop Wenski of Florida urges Catholics to act up
Catholic bishop calls for new thinking on illegal immigration
How to Train Catholic Citizens to Elect Morally-Perverted Catholic Politicians
Some Church Leaders Are Wrong On Immigration
Toning Down the Immigration Debate among Catholics (Lots of Interesting Comments)
Bishop Slattery calls for secure borders, immigration reform [Tulsa, OK]
Immigration, Politics, and the Church (Ecumenic)
Cardinal: Catholics are key to achieving immigration reform [ or stopping it ]
US Catholic Latino leaders meet with Vatican officials, discuss ‘Hispanic reality’
Welcome the Stranger (Catholic theology & Church history against illegals)
Arizona immigration law shows need for reform, Archbishop Chaput writes
Bishops to the Left of Senate Dems on Immigration
Mahony blesses L.A.'s rally [pro-(illegal)immigration rally]
Jose Gomez (future LA Archbishop), champion of illegal immigrants [2005 post]
Catholic Money and Tax Dollars Finance Illegal Alien Rally
Cardinal Mahony speaks on illegal immigration
Catholic Church Facilitates Foreign Invasion
Archbishop Timothy Dolan: Immigration Reform. Here We Go Again
US Catholic Bishops Opposition To Arizona Immigration Law Leaves Many Unanswered Questions
USCCB OPPOSE ARIZONA LAW
US Catholic church attacks 'draconian' Arizona law
Pope Benedict urges bishops to work for recognition of immigrant rights
Arizona's Proposed Illegal Immigration Crackdown Akin To Nazi Tactics, Cardinal Roger Mahony Says
Hispanics increasing Catholic numbers in US, but assimilation has downside
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Denver Archbishop Supports Tuition Equity [Chaput favors extending in-state tuition to illegals]
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Gathering calls for 'fair and humane' immigration policies [Catholic Bishops on immigration reform]
Journey to Justice: A Catholic Vision of Immigration
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GOP Senator: Immigration Bill's Fate Hangs in the Balance [SBC, Catholic Church support the bill]
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Local Catholics celebrate diversity [Catholic "Immigration Mass" in Apple Valley, CA]
Putting faith in search for rights [Catholic "Immigration Mass" in Chicago, IL]
Praying for immigration reform [Catholic "Immigration Mass" in Los Angeles, CA]
Irish, Latino Catholics march for immigrant rights [Catholic "Immigration Mass" in San Francisco]
Catholics push for immigration reform [Catholic "Immigration Mass" in Raleigh, NC]
Catholic bishop calls deportation policies immoral
Withholding their 'amens' [Catholics object to a call for a revised immigration policy at Lent]
Denver Archdiocese Reacts To ICE Raid

2 posted on 09/05/2011 3:25:25 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed: he's hated on seven continents)
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To: Alex Murphy

Still no “petitions, prayers and homilies” to force the governments of the sewers in Central and South America to stop driving their citizens into America though, huh?


3 posted on 09/05/2011 3:32:53 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Spreading fear isn't working for the 'RATS anymore so they've resorted to using threats.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Anybody know how many illegals live in the Vatican? I assume they’re all fed, educated, given medical care, and a path to Vatican citizenship, right?


4 posted on 09/05/2011 3:38:00 PM PDT by guppas
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To: Alex Murphy

Seems to me that Catholics desperately want more Catholics despite the fact that the passage of this will further incentivize illegal immigration. We graduate over 50,000 illegals from American high schools every year. The DREAM Act is the wrong way to “handle” a problem everyone’s ignoring.


5 posted on 09/05/2011 3:38:24 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: Winstons Julia
If they want more Catholics, how about encouraging a vigil, homily, or event to support the pro-life cause?

Opposition to the dream act is being treated worse than being in favor of abortion.

6 posted on 09/05/2011 3:49:11 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: icwhatudo

Instead of getting serious about and DIScouraging illegal immigration, we are actually considering incentivizing it. It’s insanity. And the Catholics are pandering to a ROTTEN idea just because they want more Catholics.


7 posted on 09/05/2011 3:53:28 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I’m Catholic and they wonder why I quit going to church.


8 posted on 09/05/2011 3:55:35 PM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: Alex Murphy

Yeah, I pray for the DREAM Act, that it fails and that all the crimaliens go home and demand from their nations what they demand from ours!


9 posted on 09/05/2011 3:59:55 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Duval Patrick is a coward. Explain yourself on The O'Reilly Factor, you creep!)
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To: Alex Murphy

No “petitions, prayers and homilies” in support of Christians being butchered by Muslims across the globe? Bastard cowards. Strip the 501(c) exempt status from every one of them.


10 posted on 09/05/2011 4:18:41 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Alex Murphy

I just saw a National Geographic special (`Gangland’) on Fresno’s experience with unregulated “immigration.” It was on the `Bulldogs,’ a vicious gang of disgruntled foreign guests and their children.
The Catholic church should spend less time meddling in the issue of illegal aliens and more in a constructive manner in an area where they have some experience: pedophilia.


11 posted on 09/05/2011 4:50:19 PM PDT by tumblindice (It's the Donner-Reed show!)
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To: Alex Murphy

Another shining example of why the USCCB should stop meddling in politics and just do their jobs.


12 posted on 09/05/2011 4:59:41 PM PDT by Pat4ever (NO MORE!)
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To: ebshumidors

You are welcome to come back any time. Unless social justice is based on Christ, it isn’t social justice.

This is faulty reporting and headlining.

God loves all people equally.

I’ll see if I can find that quote.


13 posted on 09/05/2011 5:18:57 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Alex Murphy; ebshumidors
How would Jesus treat these people?

“Catholic social ministry begins and ends with Jesus Christ,” he said. “If it doesn’t, it isn’t Catholic.”

Archbishop Chaput


14 posted on 09/05/2011 5:21:10 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: All

Aren’t we all immigrants?

Remember “Catholics need not apply.”

“Irish need not apply.”

“Germans need not apply.”

“Vietnamese need not apply.”


15 posted on 09/05/2011 5:24:15 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Alex Murphy

thank you for the links!


16 posted on 09/05/2011 5:37:47 PM PDT by redhead
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To: ebshumidors

If you quit going to Church you are not a Catholic. You are a lapsed Catholic who is no longer in a state of grace and that act has eternal consequences.


17 posted on 09/05/2011 5:53:50 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: guppas

This has nothing to do with the Vatican. It’s a prudential statement made by the navel gazing buffoons at the USCCB. A fact like that never crossed that BB mind of yours though, did it?


18 posted on 09/05/2011 5:58:21 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Alex Murphy
And all this time I thought St. Paul told us to love our neighbors!!!!!!

Rom 13:8-10

Brothers and sisters:
Owe nothing to anyone, except to love one another;
for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
The commandments, "You shall not commit adultery;
you shall not kill; you shall not steal; you shall not covet, "
and whatever other commandment there may be,
are summed up in this saying, namely,
"You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
Love does no evil to the neighbor;
hence, love is the fulfillment of the law.

19 posted on 09/05/2011 6:12:00 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Alex Murphy
And all this time I thought Jesus told us "Love one another as I have loved you."

Are you saying NOT to do that?

20 posted on 09/05/2011 6:13:15 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: redhead

First They Came for the Jews

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller

Community and individuality are not opposites. People cannot survive on their own. When the odds are stacked against you, you must rally with the oppressed and hated.

When a growing oppressive regime is taking hold, you must act, otherwise you will soon face your enemy alone and hopeless.

Strength of community is a strength as much as individualism, as long you are willing to face weaknesses in your own community. Ignoring slacking values will mean that you will be rallied against by those you oppress.

Niemöller affirms we must rally against unhealthy organized regimes. We must also stay vigilant with those that appear to be good natured, as all organisation attracts corruption. Niemöller also warns us that if it is you who are corrupt, then you will face a stronger combined force of foe!
Vexen Crabtree

21 posted on 09/05/2011 6:14:45 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Again you distort the issue.

This is not about government coming after certain groups within it’s own country to silence them in order to increase their totalitarian hold on the country and nobody can then oppose them.

This is about a nation’s inherent right to control their own immigration policy.

You have a hard time making apples to apples comparisons, at least on this particular topic.


24 posted on 09/05/2011 6:33:52 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I am against illegal immigration, but I have nothing against someone who does it the right way and becomes a naturalized citizen through study and testing, etc.

What about you?


25 posted on 09/05/2011 7:13:15 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; ebshumidors
“Catholic social ministry begins and ends with Jesus Christ,” he said. “If it doesn’t, it isn’t Catholic.”
-- Archbishop Chaput
"....in recent years, state-level efforts have been made across the country to bar undocumented young adults from the benefits of in-state tuition breaks for higher education. This is bad public policy for several reasons....SB 170, if enacted, will require that any individual receiving in- state tuition must have attended a Colorado public or private high school for three years....students who meet these significant and verifiable standards, and qualify for in-state tuition, will not be required to verify lawful presence in the United States."
-- Archbishop Chaput, from the thread Denver Archbishop Supports Tuition Equity [Chaput favors extending in-state tuition to illegals]

26 posted on 09/05/2011 7:26:55 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed: he's hated on seven continents)
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To: Salvation; ebshumidors
And all this time I thought St. Paul told us to love our neighbors!!!!!! Are you saying NOT to do that?

....if a stranger dwells with you in your land, you shall not mistreat him.
The stranger who dwells among you shall be to you as one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
-- Leviticus 19: 33-34
The locus of attention in the above verse is on the behavior of (existing) residents of the land. That same Mosaic Law demanded that all the Israelite laws apply to anyone and everyone occupying land within Israel's borders. In other words, once the theoretical stranger "dwells with you in your land" i.e. sets foot inside Israel's borders (legally or illegally), the native Israelite was not to mistreat him - instead, the native Israelite was expected to hold him subject to all of Israel's laws (including any that might govern citizenship and government handouts), just as he himself would be. The "stranger within your gates" would also be expected to know those laws for himself....
...when all Israel comes to appear before the LORD your God in the place which He chooses, you shall read this law before all Israel in their hearing.
Gather the people together, men and women and little ones, and the stranger who is within your gates, that they may hear and that they may learn to fear the LORD your God and carefully observe all the words of this law,
and that their children, who have not known it, may hear and learn to fear the LORD your God as long as you live in the land which you cross the Jordan to possess.”
-- Deuteronomy 31:11-13
The question that the "love your neighbor" crowd needs to answer is what constitutes "love your neighbor" behavior when confronted with a lawbreaking stranger within your gates?
27 posted on 09/05/2011 7:48:42 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed: he's hated on seven continents)
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To: Salvation

I am for legal immmigration.

I am totally against illegal immigration.

I am for strong border enforcement and returning found illegals back into their home countries unless they are criminals and need to be tried for crimes here.

I am also for strengthening our immigration laws and actually having a government that enforces these laws.

I would even say that, in deference to Mexico, I’d be happy to implement Mexico’s immigration laws here. So that the charge of racism couldn’t be leveled at us.


28 posted on 09/05/2011 8:00:42 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: icwhatudo
If they want more Catholics, how about encouraging a vigil, homily, or event to support the pro-life cause?

I disagree that the Catholic voter's position on abortion should be decided out of an interest in creating more American Catholics by demography. It should rather be about Jesus Christ, justice and the divine moral law.

But this is false:

Opposition to the dream act is being treated worse than being in favor of abortion.

The Catholic Church in the United States has inserted Roe v. Wade on its liturgical calendar--January 22, National Day of Penance. This is a singular event in recent Catholic history. Nothing similar has been done for any other issue. I have heard of Catholic politicians in some (albeit, too few) places being denied Communion for supporting abortion, but never have I heard of one being denied Communion for his immigration views.

You have to remember that half of all practicing Catholics in the United States are Hispanic. Our bishops are doing a very poor job pretending to "represent" a half-Hispanic, and half-Anglo caucus, and it is foremost a poor job because it is not their job. Bishops are actually supposed to be encouraging the faithful to support laws which are just and fair for everyone, not just laws that happen to serve the interests of the population of Church-going Catholics. "Catholic" is not an ethnic group.

Now, granted, America's legal immigration policy is unjust and economically and culturally suicidal. (For one thing, millions of birthright American citizens born to legal residents are being raised abroad, to be allowed to return only after they turn 18, because their parents couldn't get a visa extension. If you want to have birthright citizenship, you should make provision for raising American citizens as Americans, and not as foreigners in overseas schools, even though they might get a better education that way. For another thing, we have our ethnic diversity lottery...)

But every country on earth punishes illegal immigration by deportation. It is the only penalty which actually fits and properly deters that offense. If anything, the injustice actually addressed by the DREAM Act is the failure of the American government to deport illegals over the past thirty years since the "one-time" Reagan amnesty. If they had been promptly deported, they wouldn't have grown up here.

29 posted on 09/05/2011 9:18:19 PM PDT by cmj328
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To: guppas
Anybody know how many illegals live in the Vatican? I assume they’re all fed, educated, given medical care, and a path to Vatican citizenship, right?

The USCCB isn't the Vatican, and they aren't a Vatican mouthpiece. They're supposed to represent the (collective) views of the American bishops. Notice I said "supposed to".

And for them to tell priests (they don't have the authority to order it, mind you) to lobby in their homilies for a particular piece of legislation on anything but a pivotal, life-related issue is going way over the line, IMO.

30 posted on 09/06/2011 5:38:51 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Campion

Agree with you, although I do think we need to treat all humans with love. Yes, I know it’s difficult with some.


31 posted on 09/06/2011 8:41:19 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Good point.


32 posted on 09/06/2011 9:57:43 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Campion; Salvation
In a different context, Pope Benedict XVI noted last year that "Forgiveness is not a substitute for justice" - meaning that your merciful attitude toward another human sinner does not mean that they are above the law or exempt from law enforcement.

I think this relates here. I see there's a big push to make the DREAM Act synonymous with "mercy". And a related push to make law enforcment (e.g. barring illegal aliens from cashing in on benefits) synonymous with INjustice.

A good case can be made that enticing a person to break a law is one way we participate in their wrongdoing. Incentivizing people to violate our borders by rewarding them and their children with a big package of material payoffs, is certainly enticing a person to sin.

Wha's stoping people from going BACK to the country where they are still legal citizens, and then coming here again legally? And what's wrong with insisting that they come here the right way, the same as all other immigrants?

That is not a merciless pisition. That is equal justice under law.

33 posted on 09/06/2011 10:06:34 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("God bless the child who's got his own." Arthur Herzog Jr./Billie Holiday)
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To: Alex Murphy

USCCB has yet to comment on Catholic vp Biden’s support of China’s obnoxious one child policy while speaking in China.But they give full support to this ridiculous ‘Dream Act’.Is th USCCB an arm of the Democratic party?


34 posted on 09/06/2011 1:03:25 PM PDT by ardara
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To: Mrs. Don-o
In a different context, Pope Benedict XVI noted last year that "Forgiveness is not a substitute for justice" - meaning that your merciful attitude toward another human sinner does not mean that they are above the law or exempt from law enforcement....

....A good case can be made that enticing a person to break a law is one way we participate in their wrongdoing. Incentivizing people to violate our borders by rewarding them and their children with a big package of material payoffs, is certainly enticing a person to sin.

Wha's stoping people from going BACK to the country where they are still legal citizens, and then coming here again legally? And what's wrong with insisting that they come here the right way, the same as all other immigrants?

Ping to my post #27

35 posted on 09/06/2011 1:53:12 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed: he's hated on seven continents)
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To: Alex Murphy
Thanks--- these are good points, Alex.

The first requirement of love is justice. Some may say "Love is a whole lot more than justice"; but very often the 'love' we see is a whole lot less.

It doesn't benefit anyone, citizen, sojourner, legal or illegal, to live in a country where trespass is encouraged, fraud is condoned, poor men are systematically enticed into lawbreaking with the promise of material gain, the politicians, police, and courts don't enforce the law efficiently and evenhandedly, and essential institutions are approaching breakdown and bankruptcy.

Liberty under law is the foundation of public justice. And Justice is the way a political community expresses love.

36 posted on 09/06/2011 3:59:16 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Justice is the Arithmetic of Charity.)
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To: Alex Murphy
Even though it denies you another opportunity to bash the Church and as uncomfortable as it may seem, the illegal immigrants are here independent of the positions of the Catholic Church. They are here because of the policies of the state and federal governments, fostered by BOTH political parties, have enticed and rewarded their arrival and done nothing to cause their return. If you want to blame anyone, blame the voters.

All that would be necessary for a repatriation of the illegal immigrants is to eliminate the inducements to their being here. The exact same forces that brought them here would cause them to return.

What many of you don't, can't or refuse to understand is that once here illegals are entitled to the same constitutional protections as anyone else within the jurisdiction of the US by virtue of the 14th Amendment.

37 posted on 09/06/2011 4:57:48 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: Natural Law
What many of you don't, can't or refuse to understand is that once here illegals are entitled to the same constitutional protections as anyone else within the jurisdiction of the US by virtue of the 14th Amendment.

Sounds a whole lot like another Catholic supporting the DREAM Act to me.

38 posted on 09/06/2011 5:00:11 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed: he's hated on seven continents)
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To: Alex Murphy
"Sounds a whole lot like another Catholic supporting the DREAM Act to me."

You are right. Mexicans are untermensch and not deserving of basic human and constitutional rights. They should be rounded up, worked until nearly dead and then exterminated. (Think of all the gold teeth) It worked so well for you guys in the past. [sarc].

Most Mexicans I know are honest, hard working, God fearing, family oriented and very conservative. I would much rather have them in my neighborhood than the sniveling, whining, home grown semi-literate bigots one finds so frequently in these forums.

39 posted on 09/06/2011 7:43:54 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: Natural Law
"Sounds a whole lot like another Catholic supporting the DREAM Act to me."

You are right. Mexicans are untermensch and not deserving of basic human and constitutional rights. They should be rounded up, worked until nearly dead and then exterminated. (Think of all the gold teeth) It worked so well for you guys in the past. [sarc].

Most Mexicans I know are honest, hard working, God fearing, family oriented and very conservative. I would much rather have them in my neighborhood than the sniveling, whining, home grown semi-literate bigots one finds so frequently in these forums.

You could always move south of the border into their neighborhoods, just to maximize your experience.

40 posted on 09/06/2011 7:57:37 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed: he's hated on seven continents)
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To: Alex Murphy

For the record, I hadn’t seen this article... but I was going to post a similar criticism after my DC-area parish, now led by a flaming hippy (sigh) was pushing this. I know you post this stuff to push down Catholics so you feel better about your religion, but this criticism / esposure is 100% justified.

Absolutely inexcusable.


41 posted on 09/24/2011 5:49:45 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
I know you post this stuff to push down Catholics so you feel better about your religion, but this criticism / esposure is 100% justified.

You know this, do you?

42 posted on 09/25/2011 11:56:00 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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