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To: Winstons Julia
If they want more Catholics, how about encouraging a vigil, homily, or event to support the pro-life cause?

Opposition to the dream act is being treated worse than being in favor of abortion.

6 posted on 09/05/2011 3:49:11 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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Instead of getting serious about and DIScouraging illegal immigration, we are actually considering incentivizing it. It’s insanity. And the Catholics are pandering to a ROTTEN idea just because they want more Catholics.


7 posted on 09/05/2011 3:53:28 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: icwhatudo
If they want more Catholics, how about encouraging a vigil, homily, or event to support the pro-life cause?

I disagree that the Catholic voter's position on abortion should be decided out of an interest in creating more American Catholics by demography. It should rather be about Jesus Christ, justice and the divine moral law.

But this is false:

Opposition to the dream act is being treated worse than being in favor of abortion.

The Catholic Church in the United States has inserted Roe v. Wade on its liturgical calendar--January 22, National Day of Penance. This is a singular event in recent Catholic history. Nothing similar has been done for any other issue. I have heard of Catholic politicians in some (albeit, too few) places being denied Communion for supporting abortion, but never have I heard of one being denied Communion for his immigration views.

You have to remember that half of all practicing Catholics in the United States are Hispanic. Our bishops are doing a very poor job pretending to "represent" a half-Hispanic, and half-Anglo caucus, and it is foremost a poor job because it is not their job. Bishops are actually supposed to be encouraging the faithful to support laws which are just and fair for everyone, not just laws that happen to serve the interests of the population of Church-going Catholics. "Catholic" is not an ethnic group.

Now, granted, America's legal immigration policy is unjust and economically and culturally suicidal. (For one thing, millions of birthright American citizens born to legal residents are being raised abroad, to be allowed to return only after they turn 18, because their parents couldn't get a visa extension. If you want to have birthright citizenship, you should make provision for raising American citizens as Americans, and not as foreigners in overseas schools, even though they might get a better education that way. For another thing, we have our ethnic diversity lottery...)

But every country on earth punishes illegal immigration by deportation. It is the only penalty which actually fits and properly deters that offense. If anything, the injustice actually addressed by the DREAM Act is the failure of the American government to deport illegals over the past thirty years since the "one-time" Reagan amnesty. If they had been promptly deported, they wouldn't have grown up here.

29 posted on 09/05/2011 9:18:19 PM PDT by cmj328
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