A five-skill player. Although she's flirting with damnation. 
Posted on 09/10/2011 7:14:38 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Actress Kristin Chenoweth is a self-identifying Christian who has sparked controversy by speaking out about her support of the gay community in an interview with lesbian and gay publication The Advocate.
The LBGT publication asked the TV and theater star: "What would you ask people who cite Christianity as their justification for passing laws that discriminate against people?"
Chenoweth replied, "I would ask, 'What would Jesus do?' It sounds so cliché and Pollyanna-ish, but I have a feeling if he were on the earth today, he wouldn't be walking around saying, 'You’re going to hell' and 'You're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong.' I think he'd be accepting and loving."
Chenoweth is best known for her theater and television roles such as Glinda in "Wicked" and April Rhodes on "Glee." The actress is also releasing her fourth studio album Some Lessons Learned on Sept. 13.
Chenoweth is not new to controversy over her conflicting beliefs. In 2005, she was fired from a "Woman in Faith" concert for her support of gay rights.
Analysts for Focus on the Family refer to pro-gay Christians as a part of a larger movement called "Pro-Gay Revisionist Theology." Leaders of this movement claim Christians' prejudice against homosexuals leads them to misread biblical texts about homosexuality.
Christian Research Institute's Joseph P. Gudel says, "I realize that it is not 'politically correct' to speak critically concerning any person or group. Nonetheless, true Christian love does not ignore immorality and the lives ruined by it, but speaks out in the hope of helping those individuals."
Contradictions are not Chenoweth's concern, however. "I don't judge you for your opinions, so please don't judge me for mine," the actress said in response to critics.
"I read my Bible and I pray and all of that – I really do," Chenoweth told The Advocate. "But at the same time, I don't think being gay is a sin. Period."
I had a private PO box when I lived in the SF Valley.
There was always a big stack of The Advocate in the box area, that where there for the taking.
I made sure that I took everyone of them every time I went in.
I put them in the dumpster where they belong.
Why would a kid want to be bullied his whole life? That is my only problem with you post. The other is what do you do about the 3 year old boy who is gayer than gay? Luckily I have four “normal’ children but dang I feel for these parents who are raising them right and the kid at 3 really shows serious signs of being gay. I am not talking about the dumb parents who dress their kids in weird dresses because they want to. I am talking normal parents having a not so normal child. Just two simple questions.
If you are going to tattle on someone, shouldn’t you give the entire post that she wrote and not just bits and pieces to suit your agenda. She said she was not a proponent of changing marriage. She is just not going to kill a homo.
Don’t forget we are all going to hell anyway because we sure do love lobster and other shellfish. Oysters I guess should be banned. That is DEFINITELY in the Bible. We sure are getting a bible study tonight. Which is a perfect time since it is 9/11. Thanks for giving that info out. It is useful.
Back in Junior High (the 1950's before the term Middle School became widespread), there was a classmate who was somewhat effeminate. In those less-sensitive, non-PC days, he was subjected to a lot of ridicule and what I'll call "tough love" after school. He changed his behavior and he didn't turn out to be a homosexual. In this case, some bullying did good in my opinion.
The other is what do you do about the 3 year old boy who is gayer than gay?
I can't speak from personal experience on that since none of my children or grandchildren are sodomites. I would suppose that diligent prayer and Christian counseling ought to be applied in such a situation. There are thousands of well-documented cases of homosexuals being restored to normal through the redeeming, restorative Power of God. Since homosexuality is not innate but is a learned behavior and lifestyle choice, it can be corrected.
Just two simple questions.
And those are my two answers to the queries you posed. I'll grant that I do take a very hardline stance on the issue of homosexuality but that it's a recoverable state. I have enough faith in God's Unlimited Power that even somewhat like, say, Barney Frank can be restored to normal.
For this reason, the man who lives by God's standards and not by man's, must needs be a lover of the good, and it follows that he must hate what is evil. Further, since no one is evil by nature, but anyone who is evil is evil because of a perversion of nature, the man who lives by God's standards has a duty of "perfect hatred" (Psalm 139:22) towards those who are evil; that is to say, he should not hate the person because of the fault, nor should he love the fault because of the person. He should hate the fault, but love the man. And when the fault has been cured there will remain only what he ought to love, nothing that he should hate. (14:6, Penguin ed., transl. Bettenson)"
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Augustine_of_Hippo
C.S. Lewis and I agree with you.
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences.
And yet the irony is that you are expressing a moral view that you seek to impose yourself.
You find those who wish to have a ‘right to representation’ on issues of right and wrong in thier communities for the good of all to be ‘tyrants’ thus you find them to be immoral.
So you would have it that they should not have this right being that to utilize it would make them tyrants in your eyes and thus they must then live in torment without end having no say or representation on things they find are corrupting their community.
A five-skill player. Although she's flirting with damnation.
>> ‘What would Jesus do?’
Not give govt the authority to dictate sexual conduct?
Your feelings versus the Word of God? I’ll go with the Word of God, thank you. No, I seriously doubt that Jesus would accept their lifestyle. Would he love the homosexuals? Yes, He loves everyone, but He also carried that torturous cross on his beaten, bloody body to a hill called Mt. Calvary, where He took the sins of the world upon himself, so that we wouldn’t have to.
Jesus actually talked more about hell when HE was on earth, than He did heaven. He had no problem explaining the sinner’s destiny if they continued in their sinful lifestyle.
So, I have to admonish you for your post. People only see one side of God, and that is His loving side. He is also slow to anger, but, the Bible says, it’s a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God.
As Christians, we don’t walk by feelings. We walk by faith, and that faith comes from being obedient to the Word of God. In no way would Jesus tell homosexuals, adulterers or anyone living in sin, that he accepts their sin.
“I think a big consequence of homosexual marriage (along with polyamory) is shacking up by heterosexuals.”
In all truth, the hetero shacking up has been going on for a LONG time, long before one ever heard the concept of homosexual “marriage”.
This really all started with no-fault divorce.
That is when the concept of marriage ceased to be what was good for children, good for the family and good for society and became all about “self-actualization”.
The Democrat party that your mother adhered to, is NOT the Democrat party of today. Most grew up believing the DEMS were for the working people. (unions drummed this into their heads).
If a person continues to live their life as a homosexual, they are already judged and on their way to hell. Hell is the destination of all who don’t repent of their sins. It isn’t being judgmental - just factual. Jesus had no problem calling people liars to their faces, or telling them they were taking people to hell with them.
So, while your mother was a saintly, loving person, if she didn’t warn others of their destiny, she didn’t really love them. Love is wanting others to escape the fiery depths of hell prepared for the devil and his angels. Not sitting by condoning everything others do in the name of love and acceptance. This is another heretical myth being perpetuated by today’s church.
What would you consider appropriate legislation/penalties for engaging in homosexuality?
I know shacking up has gone on for a long time. I agree about the bad consequences of no-fault divorce.
But homosexual marriage, sanctioned by government, celebrated by the media, makes things much worse. Homosexual marriage tells the young that society has no more religious scruples about our most important institution — marriage. Anyone can do anything without fear of God. The guilt is gone.
Says the MTV generation, if gays are heroes, and can have 20 partners a night, what’s wrong with me living with my girlfriend?
You are sadly confused.
Tax the Church..
There are many sects of Christianity.
None are uniform in their beliefs.
I will not be ruled by Kings or Priests.
“It may not be easy, in every possible case, to trace the line of separation between the rights of religion and the Civil authority with such distinctness as to avoid collisions and doubts on unessential points. The tendency to unsurpastion on one side or the other, or to a corrupting coalition or alliance between them, will be best guarded agst. by an entire abstinence of the Gov’t from interfence in any way whatsoever, beyond the necessity of preserving public order, and protecting each sect agst. trespasses on its legal rights by others.”
“James Madison on Religious Liberty”
“What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not.” Madison- “A Memorial and Remonstrance”, 1785
“The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.” Madison -1803 letter objecting use of gov. land for churches
John Adams The second president of the United States was John Adams, lawyer and diplomat. Adams’ public career lasted more than 35 years. He was second only to George Washington in making a place for the young United States among the nations of the world. In his devotion to the country he was second to none. He laid his thoughts out clearly...
“The priesthood have, in all ancient nations, nearly monopolized learning. And ever since the Reformation, when or where has existed a Protestant or dissenting sect who would tolerate A FREE INQUIRY? The blackest billingsgate, the most ungentlemanly insolence, the most yahooish brutality, is patiently endured, countenanced, propagated, and applauded. But touch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your eyes and hand, and fly into your face and eyes.”
- letter to John Taylor
“The question before the human race is, whether the God of Nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?”
Adams
You see TBI...I am a deist. It is an insult to those of of of a different religion then you for you to claim that your creed only is superior.
“. . . Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind.” Adams
and
“This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.”...Jefferson
and
“The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”
And George Washington?
“Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society.”
- letter to Edward Newenham, 1792
Many, perhaps most of the Founders of this country were Deists. Your dominionist views are at odds with what this country was built on.
“Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear. Jefferson - letter to Peter Carr, Aug. 10, 1787
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It is you who are sadly confused being that you had to assume that my views were dominionist when I am not even Christian nor a part of any religion at all.
I simply support equal representation for all world views in government in making legislation within their communities and for all worldviews to have the equal right to be freely expressed in the public square.
Your view though in the post I responded to was much more aligned with a dominionist point of view being it is you who seek to deny rights to representation to people being that you deem their desire to live in communities with laws that reflect thier morality to be ‘tyrannical’ as you put it. Thus you find them immoral and want to impose this moral viewpoint of yours.
“Celebrities - is there ANYTHING they don’t know?”
I dont know of any exact legislation or penalties that might be the most appropiate. There have during more days of a more moral society though been such laws on the books that should be reconsidered as to their worth.
My point though is that there should be legislation that starts to deter the corruption of homosexuality in society. It is not harmless being that it is known to increase the spread of disease and to damage lives and also to spread further corrupt behaviors along with it.
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