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Christian 'Glee' Star: Acceptance of Homosexuality Not a Contradiction to Faith
Christian Post ^ | 09/09/2011 | Gina E. Ryder

Posted on 09/10/2011 7:14:38 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: little jeremiah

“You think people engaging in some of the most vile sinful behavior should not be told to “sin no more”? “

I don’t think God told me to go and tell people that, no. He told me to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, take care of the widow, comfort those in prison, and heal the sick.


101 posted on 09/11/2011 5:39:58 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: Reddy
Don’t all religions condemn alcoholism? Overeating? Cheating? Shoplifting?

Last I looked, there were no huge international agendas promoting those behaviors as good or worthy of celebration or forcing everyone else to "accept" or tolerate them. And overeating, while certainly gluttony when engaged in regularly, is wrong, it is not equivalent to homosexuality. It's weird when people drag in all kinds of wrongs and say "but telling a little white lie is wrong, just like homosexuality is!". Everything is not equivalent. Murder is much worse than slapping someone in the face, for instance.

Have I used the word sodomite on this thread? No? Then why are you trotting it out? And why do you not want people calling same sex acts sinful? What do you want it called, baskets of rose petals?

102 posted on 09/11/2011 5:40:31 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

Isn’t what he said to the mob preparing to stone the woman caught in adultery to death really the moral of that story though.

“Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone.”


103 posted on 09/11/2011 5:46:21 PM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: Reddy

No one knows what causes homosexuality, but I have learned through simple observation that some children have homosexual tendencies at a young age. Maybe they were abused? Maybe there was a chemical imbalance in the womb? At this point, no one knows for sure what the underlying cause is, but the point is that no matter what the cause we are to love the person.


Why do you think that condemning behavior or attitudes means not loving the person? Do you think when a parent disciplines a child for hurting his brother the parent doesn’t love the child? Or any other wrong behavior? In your view then Jesus didn’t love many people since he condemned plenty of behavior and attitudes. Suppose someone’s slitting their wrists, it’s not loving to tell them it’s wrong and try to stop them? Love means always telling people that it’s fine to kill themselves and others? Or walk off cliffs? Or engage in egregiously sinful behavior?

People do know what causes homosexuality. You may not, but experts do. If you want to know, you can read this thread with links:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2730140/posts

Not born this way: The facts, plus help available
Save California ^ | Various authors

Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:48:09 AM by scripter

Without any reputable evidence, the entertainment culture, uneducated media, and sexual activists have seduced today’s teenagers, in particular, to believe that people are born homosexual.

However, science has found no biological basis for homosexuality, bisexuality, or transsexuality.

Study after study has found the “LGBT” lifestyle to be unhealthy, with the highest rate of sexually-transmitted diseases, and higher cancer rates and earlier deaths.

While all people are worthy and valuable, the fact is people are not “born this way,” as a popular song insists.

On this page you will find:

1. The facts on homosexuality
2. Resources to overcome homosexual behavior and gender identity disorder
3. An important video message titled “Does God Love Gay People?”
4. Some personal stories from people who used to live a homosexual lifestyle

Homosexuality is not innate; no biological origin

(Links and much info follows)


104 posted on 09/11/2011 5:47:42 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Reddy

Every scripture and religion in the world tells us to not tolerate, celebrate or accept disgusting, unnatural, unhealthy and sinful behavior.

It’s really quite simple.


105 posted on 09/11/2011 5:51:25 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

I did not say you said, “sodomite”; other posters have used that phrase on this thread.

I did not say homosexual sex is not a sin, in fact I said it was- check the original thread. But it is not my place to walk up to someone and point out their sin.

And yes, there are other huge international agendas to promote other disorders- the UN promotes greed, Hollywood promotes adultery, the white house promotes racism. The article in this thread was discussing a Christian’s response to homosexuality, and that is what I addressed.


106 posted on 09/11/2011 5:52:02 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: KDD

So you like that part, and ignore the part where he told her to “sin no more”.

So we are not supposed to stone people to death for adultery, but Jesus never said that we should call disgusting sinful behavior what it is.

No one is advocating picking up stones and killing others. But what the homosexual agenda is pushing is killing people and destroying lives.


107 posted on 09/11/2011 5:53:58 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

I did not say homosexuals were “born this way”. I said that no one knows.

“Do you think when a parent disciplines a child for hurting his brother the parent doesn’t love the child? Or any other wrong behavior?”

How do you propose disciplining homosexuals?


108 posted on 09/11/2011 5:54:10 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: little jeremiah

“Every scripture and religion in the world tells us to not tolerate, celebrate or accept disgusting, unnatural, unhealthy and sinful behavior.”

Please describe what that means in everyday life. What does that look like? Walking up to homosexuals and telling them that they are disgusting, unnatural and unhealthy?

Every Scripture and religion in the world tells us to love our brothers, not just the ones who don’t sin (because there aren’t any people who don’t sin!)


109 posted on 09/11/2011 5:57:41 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: Reddy

So you are condemning Christians for condmemning homosexuality.

You’re not showing love, then.

Plus you never addressed any of my other points.

Homosexual behavior involves some of the most disgusting “sex” acts ever thought up by mentally ill people. Ever heard of fisting? Rimming? Scatting? Golden showers? If you haven’t, do a search. Homosexuals are much more prone to molesting children than the general population. In fact, the original “Gay Rights” list of demands included the REMOVAL of ALL AGE OF CONSENT LAWS. As well as the number and sex of people allowed to be married.

Vile homosexual acts are taught in schools. Homosexuals are allowed to foster and adopt children, and studies are clear that children raised by homosexuals have emotional, behavioral and sexual problems at a very high rate.

You have no idea what love is. Love cannot be separated from truth. Is it love to give a heroin addict heroin? Or is it love to help them get free from the slavery of addiction?

If you want to learn what causes homosexuality, read the link I provided. Real love means helping homosexuals who want to change leave the “gay” life. Real love means telling the truth that they can change. Real love means protecting children and society from the onslaught of the “gay” agenda.


110 posted on 09/11/2011 6:02:47 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Reddy
Every Scripture and religion in the world tells us to love our brothers, not just the ones who don’t sin (because there aren’t any people who don’t sin!)

You are purposely evading my questions. Real love cannot be separated from truth. You are vociferously supporting the homosexual agenda because you are slamming anyone who says it isn't nice, normal, healthy and should be condemned. You are evading every single point or question I am asking. You apparently think churches or other houses of worship should never say that homosexual behavior is wrong. You say we should love our brothers as though I am saying we should not.

Tell me this, should we love murderers? I say yes. Should we continue to teach that killing is wrong, and tell murderers that they have done wrong, and should stop? Obviously yes. You want homosexuals never to have to hear that their behavior is wrong. If you don't like hearing it, then get off this thread, because I'm not going to shut up.

I am sick and tired of people assisting the descent into the abyss of sexual anarchy and that is exactly what you are doing.

111 posted on 09/11/2011 6:08:42 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Reddy
“Do you think when a parent disciplines a child for hurting his brother the parent doesn’t love the child? Or any other wrong behavior?”

You didn't answer my question. Now I'm asking it again. Don't evade it.

112 posted on 09/11/2011 6:09:58 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Reddy

So you think it’s terrible and unloving to say that homosexuality is wrong.

And yet you think it’s perfectly loving to tell me and others that we are wrong.

So, according to you, it’s not loving to tell homosexuals that they are wrong, but it’s good to tell me and others that we are wrong. So, the real sinful act is not homosexual acts, the real sinful act is condemning it.

Okay, just so it’s clear.


113 posted on 09/11/2011 6:19:20 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Reddy
there is very little possibility that even Church discipline will reach the level to what God has called it

Church discipline is not about pursuing infallibility - the two have nothing to do with each other.

Of course, all fall short of the glory of God. If Church discipline is being confused with infallibility we should be studying a lot more doctrine to gain knowledge of the various doctrines of Scripture.

Church discipline is only called for in cases of grave, open sin from which there has been no repentence; it's not for personality differences, disputes, etc.

I was in a Church where a couple got divorced and the husband was allowed to remain on the worship team, even though he treated his wife horribly.

I don't want to know the details, but "treated horribly" is vague. Divorce is Biblically sanctioned only in a few cases. Of course, congregation members should seek pastoral guidance with the actual problems they are experiencing prior to getting a divorce. Many congregations today are more like clubs than the Church. Pastoral guidance is what should handle 99% of the difficulties congregation members have and both pastors and members should very much keep in close touch and avail themselves of the benefits of such guidance.

Proper Church discipline is not simply taking sides in a divorce. Notwithstanding the particulars of that case, today people have completely distorted views of Christian household roles and responsibilities and discontent is the chief reason for divorce, which is not Biblical, of course. In cases of marital discontent, the real source of the problem must be identified, since Biblically a wife must submit to her husband's authority, and he must cherish his wife. If one or the other or both is walking contrary to Scripture while married - that's the sin that requires pastoral correction and as a last resort, Church discipline. There are many things that some wives today consider harsh which are not: constraining spending, skipping a vacation, refraining from gossip, refraining from provoking or controlling a husband, etc. There are many things that some husbands today consider harsh that are not: honoring the Lord's day, acting mature, leading daily family prayer, wisely choosing friends, etc. That's why a Biblically-based courtship and marriage are such a blessing and should be encouraged as much as possible.

How Church discipline is handled by a congregation really depends on whether it's members mostly have seriously studied the Bible and live it in their daily lives or they mostly look to simply feel good by going to Church and that somehow they are "doing the right thing", but come Monday morning one could not distinguish them from non-Christians in the way they live their lives. There always is a chance that the Elders are in error, but properly performed, the Church discipline process involves a detailed and documented process that quite specifically gets to the heart of the matter with the person or persons accused. And if at the end the result is excommunication, the person is actually committed to the care of the Lord; if they are truly saved, they will most assuredly find a congregation (some allow return) after seeing the error of their ways and truly repenting.

Blessings.
114 posted on 09/11/2011 6:40:32 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We need to fix things ourselves)
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To: little jeremiah

It’s a psychiatric and or a psychological problem imo.

I believe it can be treated medically.

There are some aberrations in nature which defy natural precepts. I am not the arbiter of creation though...and it seems to me that the rain falls on the Just and the Unjust equally. I hesitate to condemn what may be Gods will.


115 posted on 09/11/2011 6:57:25 PM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: SeekAndFind; All

“Chenoweth replied, “I would ask, ‘What would Jesus do?’ It sounds so cliché and Pollyanna-ish, but I have a feeling if he were on the earth today, he wouldn’t be walking around saying, ‘You’re going to hell’ and ‘You’re wrong, you’re wrong, you’re wrong.’ I think he’d be accepting and loving.”

Ma’am you need to read the Bible before you aks what would Jesus do? Jesus was ONLY accepting of those that were repentant (turned from sin). To the woman caught in adultury...he didn’t say...I’m Ok your are OK....HE said “Go and SIN NO MORE.” Jesus (God) is always ready to forgive, but it is conditioned upon turnig from sin. That go for ALL of us...whatever our sin(s) may be. Can a person with homosexual inclinations be a Christian. Yes, if they actively seek to forsake and shun those “inclinations” and the sin. The same as most hetereosexuals must shun and forsake sexual impluses outside the proper confines of marraige.....just as GOD (Jesus) prescribed.

Does Jesus love sinners? Yes, he does and is ready to welcome them as his sheep when they acknowledge their sin and sinful nature and turn to Him in faith as the payment for that sin. Repentance/Faith/followed by obedience. Will a Christian never sin? NO, we require constant repentance and clesning. IF a person with homosexual tendencies or the adulterer (keep the list going) will turn to Jesus and forsake the lifestyle of sin....he is faithful to forgive and save.

In Apostle John’s first letter (episcle) he wrote in Chapter 1 verst 9. “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from unrighteousness.” In the Greek the word for “confess” is Homologeo....which literally means to “say the same thing.” The implication is that IF whe AGREE (say the same thing) with God/Jesus about what he thins about a sin (any sin), then He will forgive us. But that “confession” is not just a mental agreement, it is a deep seated belief that God/Jesus is right and I am wrong, and I see it His way.

For a homosexual, adulturer, liar, thief, etc. turn from their ways as a lifestyle...see that sin the same way God/Jesus see it...with abhorence....they will be forgiven.

But remember, the Lord Jesus said the “neither to I condemn you, go and sin no more.”

So, Jesus will forgive...where there is a forsaking of sin...but not before.


116 posted on 09/11/2011 7:49:56 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: jacknhoo; All

“Jesus doesn’t want any of us to be telling others that they’re going to hell, because that is not our job nor is it something we know.”

You are somewhat wrong. Jesus would have us “warn” others of the consequences of their sin. However, He would also explain that forsaking and turning to Him/God in faith and repentance WILL bring forgiveness.


117 posted on 09/11/2011 7:54:40 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: KDD

The causes of homosexuality are known. If you want to read about the causes, here is a link with information and many links with more information. It is never God’s will that anyone be a homosexual, a pedophile, a liar, a murderer, an adulterer, a thief, etc. Everyone has their own particular temptations to sin, due to many factors. But homosexuality is due to environment, which very often includes being molested at a young age by an older homosexual.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2730140/posts

Not born this way: The facts, plus help available
Save California ^ | Various authors

Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:48:09 AM by scripter

Without any reputable evidence, the entertainment culture, uneducated media, and sexual activists have seduced today’s teenagers, in particular, to believe that people are born homosexual.

However, science has found no biological basis for homosexuality, bisexuality, or transsexuality.

Study after study has found the “LGBT” lifestyle to be unhealthy, with the highest rate of sexually-transmitted diseases, and higher cancer rates and earlier deaths.

While all people are worthy and valuable, the fact is people are not “born this way,” as a popular song insists.

On this page you will find:

1. The facts on homosexuality
2. Resources to overcome homosexual behavior and gender identity disorder
3. An important video message titled “Does God Love Gay People?”
4. Some personal stories from people who used to live a homosexual lifestyle

Homosexuality is not innate; no biological origin


118 posted on 09/11/2011 11:27:33 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: SeekAndFind

There is nothing too disgusting for queers and pedophiles to propose.


121 posted on 09/12/2011 6:54:34 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: General Ripper

You’re asking for it.

You’ll get it.

Be back later today.


122 posted on 09/12/2011 7:23:23 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

Yes, I will tell anyone that calling someone a name or wagging your finger at them and telling them to repent and go and sin nor more ALL IN THE NAME OF CHRISTIANITY is wrong.

That’s what this article was about- a Christian response to homosexuality.

“So, the real sinful act is not homosexual acts, the real sinful act is condemning it.”
Strawman argument much?


123 posted on 09/12/2011 8:33:48 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: little jeremiah

I answered your question. You are equating disciplining a child with disciplining a homosexual.

It is not your job (nor mine) to discipline a homosexual.


124 posted on 09/12/2011 8:35:12 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: little jeremiah

“You want homosexuals never to have to hear that their behavior is wrong. “

I did not say that.

“I am sick and tired of people assisting the descent into the abyss of sexual anarchy and that is exactly what you are doing.”

If by treating someone who has a disorder with love promotes the descent into the abyss of sexual anarchy, then I guess I am doing that. PS, your hyperbole is outrageous!

In case you haven’t notice, the descent into the abyss of sexual anarchy is happening at a rapid pace, without my involvement. The ONLY way to change this course is by changing the hearts of men.... and you aren’t going to change many hearts with hyperbole.


125 posted on 09/12/2011 8:40:49 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: little jeremiah

“You have no idea what love is. Love cannot be separated from truth. Is it love to give a heroin addict heroin? Or is it love to help them get free from the slavery of addiction?”

I know exactly what love is. God is love. God loves people who have disorders. I wouldn’t give a heroin addict heroin, but I would be there to LOVINGLY help an addict through treatment.


126 posted on 09/12/2011 8:44:48 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: Reddy

Not for nothing but your entire argument here comes off as being a covert attempt to support the left’s homosexual agenda.

In the title of this thread is “Acceptance of homosexuality” and it seems you are trying to find any thin line to argue and make the claim that acceptance of homosexuality is in line with Christian faith.

I personally have love for all human beings but never would I argue to accept homosexuality in anyway being that it is a harmful and dangerous corruption of the human spirit.

The same would go for heroin addiction. While I would still love the personn suffering, I certainly would not accept it in anyway at all. Especially not to say that accepting heroin addiction is not a contradiction of faith.

It is obvious that this Glee star is trying to claim that homosexuality is compatible with Christian faith when it is not. Nor is heroin addiction. In both cases this should be made clear. If a heroin addict was coming to a church making the claim that heroin addiction was compatible with Christian faith then that person’s statements should be condemned. Not the person but the actions. There should be no place for someone to use the love of God in order to promote such corrupt behavior.


127 posted on 09/12/2011 10:28:25 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: Reddy

I don’t understand your thought on this. Because we sin, Jesus died for those sins. We are all sinners. You seem to be twisting my words.


128 posted on 09/13/2011 7:09:34 AM PDT by Catsrus
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To: TheBigIf

I think we are talking past each other, which is a by-product of discussion on a forum instead of real life.

I do not in any way , support endorse or encourage homosexuality. I believe homosexuality is a disorder, words for which I would be executed in liberal enclaves. And since it is a disorder, we should work to love the PEOPLE (not the disorder) that are affected.

What you find is that, in the name of Christianity, homosexuals are shunned, ridiculed, berated, etc. That is wrong. The tired cliche fits here... love the sinner, hate the sin.


129 posted on 09/13/2011 12:47:59 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: Reddy

The tired cliche fits here... love the sinner, hate the sin.


No it doesn’t. Find that in the Bible for me. It doesn sound nice though, doesn’t it.

If you love someone you will tell them the truth and that they can CHANGE. Love is not this nice feeling.

For many homosexuals that is what they are. You reject the sin, you reject them.


130 posted on 09/13/2011 12:58:12 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( getting closer to the truth.................)
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To: Reddy

The tired cliche fits here... love the sinner, hate the sin.


No it doesn’t. Find that in the Bible for me. It doesn sound nice though, doesn’t it.

If you love someone you will tell them the truth and that they can CHANGE. Love is not this nice feeling.

For many homosexuals that is what they are. You reject the sin, you reject them.


131 posted on 09/13/2011 12:58:22 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( getting closer to the truth.................)
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To: SeekAndFind

Did they ask any of the other cast members if they were Christians?


132 posted on 09/13/2011 1:00:33 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: PeterPrinciple

I didn’t say it was in the Bible, did I? I said it was a tired cliche.

“If you love someone you will tell them the truth and that they can CHANGE.”

Obviously, you have no idea what a disorder is. Do you tell someone who is sick to CHANGE and they suddenly get better? Sheesh.


133 posted on 09/13/2011 1:30:46 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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Obviously, you have no idea what a disorder is. Do you tell someone who is sick to CHANGE and they suddenly get better? Sheesh.

Homosexuality is a behavior it is NOT a sickness.. It is identified by the act or self identification.

Yes to change behaviors, you tell them it is wrong behavior , and that they can change. Yes I do understand disorders. Didn't say it was easy, in fact it is dammed hard to change behavior, but you don't pat them on the head and say "your poor thing."

134 posted on 09/14/2011 2:04:16 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( getting closer to the truth.................)
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