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USCCB backs Alabama bishops’ efforts to reverse immigration law [Archbishop Gomez statement]
Catholic Culture ^ | September 09, 2011

Posted on 09/11/2011 10:19:56 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

Archbishop José Gomez of Los Angeles, chairman of the Committee on Migration of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, has issued a statement supporting efforts by Alabama’s bishops to overturn a recently enacted immigration law.

“The Catholic Church provides pastoral and social services to all persons, regardless of their immigration status,” Archbishop Gomez said in his statement. “Our mandate is to provide for the pastoral and social care of all of God’s children. Government should not infringe upon that duty, as America’s founding fathers made clear in the US Constitution.”

“This new Alabama law makes it illegal for a Catholic priest to baptize, hear the confession of, celebrate the anointing of the sick with, or preach the word of God to, an undocumented immigrant,” Archbishop Thomas Rodi of Mobile said in August. “Nor can we encourage them to attend Mass or give them a ride to Mass. It is illegal to allow them to attend adult scripture study groups, or attend CCD or Sunday school classes. It is illegal for the clergy to counsel them in times of difficulty or in preparation for marriage. It is illegal for them to come to Alcoholic Anonymous meetings or other recovery groups at our churches.”

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TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: illeagals; immigration; josgomez; usccb
“The Catholic Church provides pastoral and social services to all persons, regardless of their immigration status,” Archbishop Gomez said in his statement. “Our mandate is to provide for the pastoral and social care of all of God’s children. Government should not infringe upon that duty, as America’s founding fathers made clear in the US Constitution.”

“This new Alabama law makes it illegal for a Catholic priest to baptize, hear the confession of, celebrate the anointing of the sick with, or preach the word of God to, an undocumented immigrant,” Archbishop Thomas Rodi of Mobile said in August. “Nor can we encourage them to attend Mass or give them a ride to Mass. It is illegal to allow them to attend adult scripture study groups, or attend CCD or Sunday school classes. It is illegal for the clergy to counsel them in times of difficulty or in preparation for marriage. It is illegal for them to come to Alcoholic Anonymous meetings or other recovery groups at our churches.”

1 posted on 09/11/2011 10:20:00 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: All
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2 posted on 09/11/2011 10:21:49 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed: he's hated on seven continents)
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To: Alex Murphy
“This new Alabama law makes it illegal for a Catholic priest to baptize, hear the confession of, celebrate the anointing of the sick with, or preach the word of God to, an undocumented immigrant,” Archbishop Thomas Rodi of Mobile said in August. “Nor can we encourage them to attend Mass or give them a ride to Mass. It is illegal to allow them to attend adult scripture study groups, or attend CCD or Sunday school classes. It is illegal for the clergy to counsel them in times of difficulty or in preparation for marriage. It is illegal for them to come to Alcoholic Anonymous meetings or other recovery groups at our churches.”

How did that piece of legislation make it into the law? Good grief. OK they may be illegal aliens, but we can't provide pastoral services? Sorry, but that part of the law is wrong.

3 posted on 09/11/2011 10:27:58 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Is this true or has someone purposefully miss-led the Church or Archbishop Gomez?

News from the Religion Forum....impressive!


4 posted on 09/11/2011 10:30:11 AM PDT by dila813
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To: Alex Murphy

Is this true or has someone purposefully miss-led the Church or Archbishop Gomez?

News from the Religion Forum....impressive!


5 posted on 09/11/2011 10:30:11 AM PDT by dila813
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To: Alex Murphy
Ok, found it here:

The letter focused on Section 13 of the Beason-Hammon Alabama Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act, which criminalizes concealing, harboring, and shielding illegal immigrants. It also criminalizes encouraging and inducing illegal immigrants to come to or stay in Alabama, and transporting and renting property to illegal immigrants.

http://blog.al.com/breaking/2011/09/alabama_immigration_law_may_le.html

Section 13 of the Beason-Hammon Alabama Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act -- (you can read it here)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/57540012/Alabama-House-Bill-56-2011-Illegal-Immigrants-Presence-Employment-etc
http://www.newsmax.com/JamesWalsh/NewYorkTimes-Alabama-Immigration-DOJ/2011/09/06/id/409856

Here is what the Alabama law actually does. Section 13 (a) provides that anyone knowingly concealing, harboring, or shielding an illegal alien could be charged with a crime. This wording tracks existing federal immigration law (8 USC section 1324) and is similar to state immigration laws passed by Arizona, Georgia, Indiana, and Utah.

The existing federal law reads in part that violations include bringing in an alien without inspection; transporting or moving an alien; concealing, harboring, or shielding an alien or attempting to do so; or inducing an alien to enter or reside in the United States. This is the current U.S. immigration law of the land.

In April, a United States District Judge for the Eastern District of Virginia sentenced two persons to prison and fined them $2 million for harboring illegal immigrants and inducing the aliens to reside in this country. For more than two decades, similar convictions have occurred in U.S. District Courts throughout the nation.


Bottom line - looks like Federal Law is nearly identical to Alabama Law

Don't know what the problem is, anyone help?

6 posted on 09/11/2011 10:42:15 AM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

>>Don’t know what the problem is, anyone help?

The problem is that everyone knows that the federal government will not enforce their laws, but the state of Alabama probably will enforce theirs.

My message to the priests is that Mexico is a Catholic nation. The Mexicans can stay there and get baptized, take communion, give confessions, and everything else on the list. They aren’t coming here to flee religious persecution!


7 posted on 09/11/2011 10:50:45 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: dila813

The problem is that the Federal GOvernment will not enforce standing immigration law, despite its claims to the contrary; whereas, Alabama, among other states, WILL ENFORCE immigration law. =.=


8 posted on 09/11/2011 10:53:05 AM PDT by cranked
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To: Alex Murphy

The text of Alabama HB 56 is here:

http://latindispatch.com/2011/06/09/text-of-alabama-immigration-law-hb-56/

The archbishop might have a point, as it is illegal for anyone to conceal or transport a known illegal alien.

Generally speaking, I wish my church would use its influence and money to better conditions in Latin America, rather than to invite the population of Latin America into the US. Perhaps the Church feels powerless to fight the corruption there.


9 posted on 09/11/2011 10:59:20 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: Alex Murphy

I pulled out just Section 13

Section 13. (a) It shall be unlawful for a person to do any of the following:

(1) Conceal, harbor, or shield or attempt to conceal, harbor, or shield or conspire to conceal, harbor, or shield an alien from detection in any place in this state, including any building or any means of transportation, if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that the alien has come to, has entered, or remains in the United States in violation of federal law.

(2) Encourage or induce an alien to come to or reside in this state if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that such coming to, entering, or residing in the United States is or will be in violation of federal law.

(3) Transport, or attempt to transport, or conspire to transport in this state an alien in furtherance of the unlawful presence of the alien in the United States, knowingly, or in reckless disregard of the fact, that the alien has come to, entered, or remained in the United States in violation of federal law. Conspiracy to be so transported shall be a violation of this subdivision.

(4) Harbor an alien unlawfully present in the United States by entering into a rental agreement, as defined by Section 35-9A-141 of the Code of Alabama 1975, with an alien to provide accommodations, if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that the alien is unlawfully present in the United States.

(b) Any person violating the provisions of this section is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor for each unlawfully present alien, the illegal presence of which in the United States and the State of Alabama, he or she is facilitating or is attempting to facilitate.

(c) A person violating the provisions of this section is guilty of a Class C felony when the violation involves 10 or more aliens, the illegal presence of which in the United States and the State of Alabama, he or she is facilitating or is attempting to facilitate.

(d) Notwithstanding any other law, a law enforcement agency may securely transport an alien whom the agency has received verification from the federal government pursuant to 8 U.S.C. § 1373(c) is unlawfully present in the United States and who is in the agency’s custody to a state approved facility, to a federal facility in this state, or to any other point of transfer into federal custody that is outside the jurisdiction of the law enforcement agency. A law enforcement agency shall obtain judicial or executive authorization from the Governor before securely transporting an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States to a point of transfer that is outside this state.

(e) Notwithstanding any other law, any person acting in his or her official capacity as a first responder or protective services provider may harbor, shelter, move, or transport an alien unlawfully present in the United States pursuant to state law.

(f) Any conveyance, including any vessel, vehicle, or aircraft, that has been or is being used in the commission of a violation of this section, and the gross proceeds of such a violation, shall be subject to civil forfeiture under the procedures of Section 20-2-93 of the Code of Alabama 1975.

(g) In the enforcement of this section, an alien’s immigration status shall be determined by verification of the alien’s immigration status with the federal government pursuant to 8 U.S.C. § 1373(c). A law enforcement officer shall not attempt to independently make a final determination of whether an alien is lawfully present in the United States.

(h) Any record that relates to the immigration status of a person is admissible in any court of this state without further foundation or testimony from a custodian of records if the record is certified as authentic by the federal government agency that is responsible for maintaining the record. A verification of an alien’s immigration status received from the federal government pursuant to 8 U.S.C. § 1373(c) shall constitute proof of that alien’s status. A court of this state shall consider only the federal government’s verification in determining whether an alien is lawfully present in the United States.


10 posted on 09/11/2011 10:59:20 AM PDT by dila813
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To: heartwood

That is what Federal Law already says though.


11 posted on 09/11/2011 11:00:16 AM PDT by dila813
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To: Bryanw92

They law doesn’t say anything regarding Church Services, it looks to me that someone is purposefully trying to deceive the church and use them as a political weapon.


12 posted on 09/11/2011 11:01:34 AM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

I agree. You would have to interpret it very broadly and no law enforcement officer or judge would consider purely religious functions as something prohibited by this law. Transporting illegals in a church bus to place where they can be employed or to obtain government services they shouldn’t receive is covered and that’s what has liberal priests so upset.


13 posted on 09/11/2011 11:12:24 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: Alex Murphy
8 USC section 1324

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/usc_sec_08_00001324----000-.html

Really long, but .... right at the top

(a) Criminal penalties
(1)
(A) Any person who—
(i) knowing that a person is an alien, brings to or attempts to bring to the United States in any manner whatsoever such person at a place other than a designated port of entry or place other than as designated by the Commissioner, regardless of whether such alien has received prior official authorization to come to, enter, or reside in the United States and regardless of any future official action which may be taken with respect to such alien;
(ii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law;


So it is true, the law is identical to Federal Law. Looks like the state just copied it.
14 posted on 09/11/2011 11:12:40 AM PDT by dila813
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To: Bryanw92

I verified it, looks like no change in law at all.

Fake firestorm.


15 posted on 09/11/2011 11:14:10 AM PDT by dila813
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To: Alex Murphy

The Catholic Church has a right to voice their opinion in favor of illegal immigration if they wish. They will find me — and many other principled Conservatives — to be just as much a mortal enemy on that issue as I am a steadfast ally on the issues of abortion and euthanasia.

The borders, national security and immigration laws of our nation ARE NOT NEGOTIATION.


16 posted on 09/11/2011 11:33:27 AM PDT by patriot preacher
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To: Alex Murphy

Thanks for the post. Will look into it this week.


17 posted on 09/11/2011 11:39:57 AM PDT by Shark24
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To: Alex Murphy

The Bishops should listen to their members who are legal and will begin to stop supporting a church who does this!


18 posted on 09/11/2011 12:40:08 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: COBOL2Java

I believe they are twisting what the law says into this.Yes it is illegal to give them rides but I don’t believe the rest of this is part of the law.The left likes to twist things into those that evoke emotion and they do a very good job of it don’t they?


19 posted on 09/11/2011 12:41:44 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: dila813

Anybody who holds loyalty to Rome (as opposed to loyalty tp God) above loyalty to the USA would be stripped of citizenship and deported in an ideal world.


20 posted on 09/11/2011 12:42:52 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Alex Murphy

How convient...you can not comment unless you donate


21 posted on 09/11/2011 12:48:00 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Clemenza

No Catholic holds loyalty to Rome above G-d? Where do you get such ideas?


22 posted on 09/11/2011 12:49:14 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: dila813

Perhaps the bishop is misinformed but I’d be skeptical of that given he chairs the counsel on migration. If he knows better, shame on him for pandering to his Reconquista Angelino congregants. Such political deception has no place in the Church.


23 posted on 09/11/2011 12:50:25 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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To: Alex Murphy

Our mandate is to provide for the pastoral and social care of all of God’s children.. Well the Church never comes out and protest crimes by illegals driving drunk causing fatal accidents, ripping American families apart.I never see the Church give Americans the same time & attention and help it gives illegals. Any time any illegal has something happen.Churches drop everything and provide needed support, in forms of protests, rallies, human right’s .They speak of how illeagls are God’s children. The Church is fully aware that illegals are using fake or stolen documents.illegals are filling out I-9 tax forms with false information. The church never says anything about illegals who must use deception to remain working in this country.The Churches do not say anything about illeagls who are driving on our roads without drivers licenses and insurance and blame unjust laws as why illeagls must do what they must do. The Church has lost it’s way and have created their own bible and have made their own set of rules of why breaking the law can be justified.Churches are becoming like cults


24 posted on 09/11/2011 1:27:44 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: Alex Murphy

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof


25 posted on 09/11/2011 2:06:18 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: All

Does not God love all people? Does not Christ love all people, even the foreigners?

Two Gospels about that — The Good Samaritan and the other one is the story of the Syncho-Phoneican woman.

“Catholic social ministry begins and ends with Jesus Christ,” he said. “If it doesn’t, it isn’t Catholic.”


26 posted on 09/11/2011 2:34:47 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: chris_bdba

If you put loyalty to the Pope above the nation, which some Catholics who post on this site do, you are worse than a dual loyalist.


27 posted on 09/11/2011 3:17:41 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Clemenza

Yeah, they’re Christians.


28 posted on 09/11/2011 4:50:23 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: chris_bdba; Clemenza

Anti-Catholics get those ideas from their bigotted minds which are out of touch with reality.

I love America. America, however, has never, and will never save a single soul. It wasn’t sent by God the Father to die for our sins or to take the gospel to the ends of the earth. It’s an amazing country, and may last for centuries and centuries, but it will come and go as all nations do.

My Church was founded by God. My country wasn’t. My Church was commissioned by God. My country wasn’t. My Church preaches the gospel. My country doesn’t.


29 posted on 09/11/2011 4:58:10 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: newzjunkey

Archbishop Gomez became a U. S. citizen the right way, through study, taking a test, taking an oath, etc.

He is not in favor of illegal immigration since he did it the right way. I think he just wants people to be treated humanely WHILE they follow the rules.


30 posted on 09/11/2011 5:33:25 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: newzjunkey
The truth about Archbishop Gomez:

Illegal immigrants are first 'mothers and fathers, sons and daughters,' says Archbishop Gomez
First Mass of the Most Reverend Archbishop Gomez LIVE on EWTN
Off to the Thunderdome (Gomez leaving SAT)
Cardinal Roger Mahony's Religious and Political Agenda
Suspended Gay Calif. Priest Laments: Abp. Gomez a 'Sharp Thrust to the Right' for LA Diocese
More Bogus Charges Against Archbishop Gomez
SEX ABUSE LAWSUIT NAMES SAN ANTONIO ARCHDIOCESE
Latino Immigrants Proud That L.A.'s Next Archbishop Is 'One of Us' [Can We Get Rid of Ethnic Pride?]
In Defense of Archbishop Gomez's Handling of Abuse Scandals
Archbishop Gomez: Who is He?

Why Archbishop Gomez is like other Bishops Appointed by Pope Benedict
An Interview with Archbishop José H. Gomez
Gomez vows to be an advocate for L.A.'s immigrants...(misleading title alert!)
San Antonio's Archbishop José Gomez named by Pope to be successor to Cardinal Roger Mahony. ...
Precious words from the archbishop... [Jose Gomez]
New Coadjutor of Los Angeles One of 22 Opus Dei Bishops
Opus Dei Seeks to Make Everyday Life Holier
Archbishop Gomez 'deeply grateful' for Los Angeles appointment
Cardinal Mahony grateful LA will have Hispanic archbishop
Vatican: Archbishop Gomez appointed to Archdiocese of LA

Pope's 'Revenge' As LA Gets Opus Dei Bishop [Pope's "Revenge" on Hollywood Sodomites!]
Gomez Holds Both Conservative And Progressive Views [Denounced College for Pro-Abortion HRC Invite]
Pope Names Latino Leader For L.A. Archdiocese [Member of Conservative Opus Dei Movement]/a>
Historic Appointment to LA Archdiocese
Report: Gomez is going to L.A.
It's Official: New Archbishop [Gomez} for Los Angeles
El Tiempo Ha Venido -- Reports: (Archbishop) Gomez Up to LA (Catholic Caucus)
[To replace Cardinal Mahony] Vatican rumor: an American prelate in play?
Los Angeles Getting a New Archbishop (Part 1)
Los Angeles Getting a New Archbishop (Part 2)

31 posted on 09/11/2011 5:34:30 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: newzjunkey

I would never dare accuse the Bishop of that.

Bishops I met in the past seem to have a wall up against the secular world.

The Church is more their world than any other. Their concerns of the secular world only seem to be where it hampers the church in some way or in the case of human misery ... disasters and such.


32 posted on 09/11/2011 7:20:30 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Salvation; All
Archbishop Gomez became a U. S. citizen the right way, through study, taking a test, taking an oath, etc. He is not in favor of illegal immigration since he did it the right way.

Catholic Archbishop Jose Gomez, often heralded by Catholic FReepers as being a "conservative" Catholic, is a vocal supporter of illegal immigrants. Here are two examples, both hosted on the Archdiocese of Denver's website:

Anti-immigrant prejudice poses threat to American way of life
Refusing college aid to immigrants keeps them from assimilating into mainstream
Week of March 17, 2004

America is a nation built by immigrants, and illegal immigrants — Irish, Italian, German, Polish and others — have always been part of the mix. But throughout U.S. history, Catholics have carried the burden of anti-immigrant prejudice in a unique way, so we have a special duty to speak up when we see it happening again.

I remembered this last week as I thought about two separate but related events.

The first was the copy of Foreign Policy magazine I received in the mail. In its March/April issue, Samuel Huntington argues that Hispanic immigrants, because of their differences from the American mainstream in language and culture and their resistance to assimilation, pose a serious threat to the American way of life. Huntington is a world-class intellectual writing in a prestigious national journal. In effect, he gives a credible-sounding vocabulary to the worst kind of nativism.

The second event was last week's struggle in the Colorado Legislature over House Bill 1187, designed to deny in-state resident tuition to the children of undocumented immigrants.

In her comments on the bill, State Senator Paula Sandoval said it best when she observed that, "All of these children (of undocumented workers) want to achieve the American dream. In some ways, what we're really saying is it's OK for people to come to this country to clean the university, to plow the fields, to harvest the crops and to work in our restaurants. But when it comes to enjoying the fruits of those labors, what we're doing ... is saying you're not invited to sit at the table for dinner."

I saw Senator Sandoval's comments the same day I read this passage from Samuel Huntington's Foreign Policy article: "The education of people of Mexican origin in the United States lags well behind the U.S. norm. In 2000, 86.6 percent of native-born Americans had graduated from high school. The rates for foreign-born population in the United States varied from 94.9 percent for Africans, 83.8 percent for Asians, 49.6 percent for Latin Americans overall, and down to 33.8 percent for Mexicans, who ranked lowest."

Most Americans, native-born or not, know what the expression "Catch 22" means. We've got a great example of it here.

For Huntington, Mexican immigrants have an alarmingly low education rate. That depresses their earning power, which prevents their upward mobility, which reduces their assimilation into the American mainstream. So what are Coloradans urged to do? We're urged to make it more expensive — in other words, harder — for the children of undocumented workers to get a college education. As a result, they'll earn less, contribute less to the public square and assimilate even more slowly. The one thing they won't do is go away.

Good people can disagree strongly and legitimately about immigration and its related legal issues. But in making U.S. immigration policies more coherent and just, we need to at least avoid punishing the young.

In hurting them, we're only hurting ourselves. And we're making absolutely sure that Huntington's nightmare will come true.

Defeated driver's license bill deserved to be law
February 27 , 2002
:
Most Reverend José H. Gomez
Auxiliary Bishop of Denver

Colorado Senate Bill 67 died on Valentine's Day in the Senate's Government, Veterans and Military Relations Committee. Its defeat will hurt many good people in our state, and concerned citizens need to hope, pray and work earnestly to ensure that next year, the legislative result will be different.

SB 67 would have allowed undocumented immigrants to apply for driver's licenses. The main arguments in favor of such legislation are well known. They're worth restating one more time, though, so they remain fresh in people's minds. SB 67 may be dead for this year, but the underlying need for it is very much alive.

First, SB 67-style legislation would serve our public safety.

Colorado has a legitimate health and safety interest in licensing those who use its roads. More than 50,000 undocumented immigrants now drive on state roads unlicensed. If a job is at stake — a job that requires driving — a worker who cannot apply for a license will almost certainly drive anyway. And of course, unlicensed drivers are uninsured drivers, which makes them far more likely to flee the scene of an accident.

Second, SB 67-style legislation would aid law enforcement. A driver's license makes it easier to track outstanding warrants, repeat offenders and child support delinquents. It expands the database of fingerprints for crime investigation. It increases the willingness of immigrant witnesses and victims to aid crime investigations. It allows police to deal with traffic violators without becoming embroiled in policy issues. It also relieves police from issuing tickets for which there is no possible resolution. (Immigrants are rarely deported for driving and usually return — unlicensed — to Colorado roads.)

Third, it would not violate federal immigration law. Immigration law places no requirement on states regarding the licensing of drivers. The Immigration and Naturalization Service is not significantly interested in unlicensed drivers; rather, INS priorities focus on serious foreign criminals, terrorists and immigrant smugglers.

Moreover, state driver's licenses are irrelevant to work eligibility, government programs and benefits.

Fourth, it would arguably assist the fight against terrorism. Colorado licenses provide a database of identities including photographs and fingerprints. Excluding large numbers of people from this database could actually work against police efforts

Fifth and finally, it's the right thing to do. No one is a "criminal" for merely being an undocumented immigrant; it's a status with no criminal penalty. In fact, Colorado is host to thousands of working undocumented immigrants — and depends economically on their labor. A driver's license simply allows these people to drive safely and with insurance in Colorado while the U.S. Congress debates future policy on immigration.

Shortly before the recent debate on SB 67, Archbishop Charles Chaput wrote to key members of the State Senate noting that, "SB 67 acknowledges the reality that thousands of good but undocumented immigrant workers live in our state, contribute productively to our economy and deserve the ability to travel safely and with insurance while here. I'm convinced that SB 67 will help improve security on our roads for the whole community, and it will add a very worthwhile element of stability to the lives of immigrant workers and their families."

SB 67 was a bill that urgently deserved to be a law. Both justice and common sense support it. We need to remember that for next year. This is an issue Coloradans can't afford to forget.


33 posted on 09/11/2011 7:54:15 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed: he's hated on seven continents)
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To: Salvation
He is not in favor of illegal immigration since he did it the right way.

You don't know much about Gomez.

34 posted on 09/11/2011 8:27:04 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: patriot preacher
The Catholic Church has a right to voice their opinion in favor of illegal immigration if they wish.

You mistakenly confuse prudential statements made by bishops with the actual teaching of the Church.

I bet, if you're consistent, that you think Barry Soetoro accurately describes what the Constitution states as well.

35 posted on 09/11/2011 8:31:23 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Alex Murphy

I have seen firsthand that it is diocesan lawyers who call the shots in the chancery offices these days. Because bishops are more fearful of being sued than proclaiming truth, they side with the lawyers. This case in Alabama is a good example of an over-reaction. If anyone thinks that the diocese’s giving a sandwich to an illegal alien is going to make them subject to civil penalty, they’re nuts. But this is what runs our Church today.


36 posted on 09/12/2011 8:23:41 AM PDT by veritas2002
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To: A.A. Cunningham

You mistakenly confuse prudential statements made by bishops with the actual teaching of the Church.

I bet, if you’re consistent, that you think Barry Soetoro accurately describes what the Constitution states as well.


And you would be DEAD wrong.

If I mistated myself, or the position of the Catholic Church as a whole, my apologies. Perhaps I should have been more specific in saying that the US Catholic Bishops have aright to voice their support of illegals if they like....

I would note, however, that the Catholic Church as a whole has made statements in the past indicating they favored a “humanitarian” and “open” policy toward “immigrants” who came to “wealthy nations” looking for a “better life.” All well and good — as long as they do so legally.

And no — your analogy regarding how Obama reads and interprets the Constitution is a poor one. It relates in NO WAY to my meaning — either about the Catholic Church OR the Teleprompter-in-Chief.


37 posted on 09/12/2011 9:34:15 PM PDT by patriot preacher
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To: A.A. Cunningham

You mistakenly confuse prudential statements made by bishops with the actual teaching of the Church.

I bet, if you’re consistent, that you think Barry Soetoro accurately describes what the Constitution states as well.


And you would be DEAD wrong.

If I mistated myself, or the position of the Catholic Church as a whole, my apologies. Perhaps I should have been more specific in saying that the US Catholic Bishops have aright to voice their support of illegals if they like....

I would note, however, that the Catholic Church as a whole has made statements in the past indicating they favored a “humanitarian” and “open” policy toward “immigrants” who came to “wealthy nations” looking for a “better life.” All well and good — as long as they do so legally.

And no — your analogy regarding how Obama reads and interprets the Constitution is a poor one. It relates in NO WAY to my meaning — either about the Catholic Church OR the Teleprompter-in-Chief.


38 posted on 09/12/2011 9:34:15 PM PDT by patriot preacher
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To: Bryanw92; livius
My message to the priests is that Mexico is a Catholic nation.

That is an interesting message, since under the 1917 constitution of Mexico priests were outlawed. Anticlericalism is very Mexican in the past century.

39 posted on 09/12/2011 9:48:13 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: aposiopetic

Well, the 80% of Mexicans who are Catholic do pretty well for a nation with no priests!


40 posted on 09/13/2011 12:54:43 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: Bryanw92

Just to be a priest in Mexico at that time was inherently dangerous. It may be that way again now, due to the drug wars.


41 posted on 09/13/2011 6:08:23 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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