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BIBLICAL ETHICS ~ Did God Kill Children? (Second Kings 2:23-25)
Religio-Poltical Talk (RPT) ^ | 9-12-2011 | Papa Giorgio

Posted on 09/13/2011 6:13:40 AM PDT by SeanG200

....One last point before we bullet point the complete idea behind the Holy and Rightful judgement from the Judge of all mankind. there were 42 persons killed by two bears. Obviously this would require many more than 42 people. Why? What happens when you have a group of ten people and a bear comes crashing out of the bushes in preparation to attack? Every one will immediately scatter! In the debate I pointed out that freezing 42 people and allowing the bears time to go down the line to kill each one would be even more of a miracle than this skeptic would want to allow. So the common sense position would require a large crowd and some sort of terrain to cut off escape. So the crowd would probably have been at least a few hundred.

Also, this holy man of God was coming back from a “mission,” he would have had an entourage with him, as well as having some sort of head-covering on as pictured above. So, what do these cultural and historical points cause us to rightly assume? That the crowd could not see that the prophet was bald. Which means they would have had to of gotten physical — forcefully removing the head covering. Which means also that the men with the prophet Elisha would have also been overpowered. So lets bullet point the points that undermine the skeptics viewpoint:
✔ The crowd was in their late teens to early twenties;
✔ they were antisemitic (this is known from most of the previous passages and books);
✔ they were from a violently cultic city;
✔ the crowd was large;
✔ the crowd had already turned violent.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Religion & Culture; Skeptics/Seekers; Theology
KEYWORDS: 2kings; bears; children; cowardice; disrespect; evil; god; pagans; vanity
If chance be the Father of all flesh, disaster is his rainbow in the sky, and when you hear:
• State of Emergency!
• Sniper Kills Ten!
• Troops on Rampage!
• Whites Go Looting!
• Bomb Blasts School!
It is but the sound of man worshiping his maker.
1 posted on 09/13/2011 6:13:43 AM PDT by SeanG200
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To: SeanG200

2 Samuel 12:14

2 posted on 09/13/2011 6:22:49 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Natufian
Did you apply the Aristotilian Dictum to this verse and use the science that every literary critic uses when approaching a text? Also, if you read my post you would see that the skeptic/atheist has no way to call such acts as wrong. I reference two evolutionary texts:

1) Randy Thornhill and Craig T. Palmer, A Natural History of Rape: Biological Bases of Sexual Coercion (Cambridge: MIT Press, 2000), 71, 163.
2) Dale Peterson and Richard Wrangham, Demonic Males: Apes and the Origins of Human Violence (New York, NY: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing, 1997).

I suggest reading the post and following the link to where I quote Aristotle's Poetc and also define "exegesis," hermeneutics," and "isegesis." Take note courts apply Aristotles dictum... so I am referencing secular applications, not religious.
3 posted on 09/13/2011 6:47:25 AM PDT by SeanG200 (Louisiana teacher salaries have been steadily increasing over the period from 2007 to 2009)
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To: SeanG200

From God is not Great:

“...the curse which Elisha laid upon the children” refers to the highly elevating biblical story in which Elisha, annoyed by children who teased him for his baldness, called upon god to send some she-bears to rend the children limb from limb. Which, so says the story, the bears dutifully did. Perhaps Thomas Paine was not wrong in saying that he could not believe in any religion that shocked the mind of a child.)”

4 posted on 09/13/2011 6:49:47 AM PDT by Cardhu
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To: SeanG200

Your post asks ‘Did God kill children?’.

I gave you a reply.

5 posted on 09/13/2011 6:53:18 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: SeanG200

Are you now the new God, that you should judge or question the God of all creation?

6 posted on 09/13/2011 8:43:34 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: Cardhu
So much more then to reject non-faith. not only because rape and murder is demanded of an exclusively naturalistic modal of the universe... but also that one cannot call such actions "'shocking' to the minds of children." To wit the twentieth century is an apt reminder of Nietzsche's prophecy:

Nihilism can take more than one form. There is, for instance, passive nihilism, a pessimistic acquiescence in the absence of values and in the purposelessness of existence. But there is also active nihilism which seeks to destroy that in which it no longer believes. And Nietzsche prophesies the advent of an active nihilism, showing itself in world-shaking ideological wars. “There will be wars such as there have never been on earth before. Only from my time on will there be on earth politics on the grand scale.” The advent of nihilism is in Nietzsche’s opinion inevitable. And it will mean the final overthrow of the decadent Christian civilization of Europe. At the same time it will clear the way for a new dawn, for the transvaluation of values, for the emergence of a higher type of man. For this reason “this most gruesome of all guests”, who stands at the door, is to be welcomed.”

Frederick Copleston, S.J., A History of Philosophy, Volume VII, pp. 404-405

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7 posted on 09/13/2011 10:08:30 AM PDT by SeanG200 (Louisiana teacher salaries have been steadily increasing over the period from 2007 to 2009)
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To: SeanG200

A better question would be; “Does God allow or demand the killing of children?” The answer is yes.

The problem with most Christians, and this article, is they don’t differentiate between physical death and spiritual death. We are all going to die a physical death.

God ordered the Israelites to kill all men, women and children in some battles. He included animals in some instances. He did this, in His wisdom, to keep the Israelites from adopting their ways which where an abomination to Him. He also did it to eliminate what we see far to often throughout history, including today, I am killing you because your father killed my father.

We have people read the Bible, or see children killed in a calamity of some sort, asking how can God allow innocent children to be killed. None are innocent, except Jesus the Christ, and deserve a spiritual death.

When anyone dies, their eternal destination is judged by God on only one criteria, do they admit they are a sinner and accept His Son’s sacrifice for them. He knows their heart and will judge them fairly.

May God’s Spirit lead us to His truth, BVB

8 posted on 09/13/2011 10:14:29 AM PDT by Bobsvainbabblings
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To: SeanG200

worse than this... in Revelation the WRATH of GOD will kill ALL unbelievers - man, women and children. And unless the Biblical ethics crowd does not get saved by the calling of God, they too will be under the Wrath of God one day soon. Those are God’s Words - not mine. If you don’t like it - don’t shoot the deliverer of this message, take it up with God Almighty - Possessor or heaven and earth - Amen

9 posted on 09/13/2011 2:17:02 PM PDT by bibletruth
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To: SeanG200
While I think the analysis is very sound and historic, there are places within scripture where God does indeed "kill" children. The most obvious example is the Angel of Death with the Egyptians when God killed the first borns. And let's not forget the Korah rebellion in which the scripture tells us that even Korah's "little ones" were shallowed up by the earth.

I should add that there are cases where God deemed it merciful to kill a child. Consider these verses about Jeroboam's infant son who became sick:

We tend to think in the physical realm when we should be thinking spiritually. None of us really dies spiritually and someday we will have a new physical body.
10 posted on 09/13/2011 5:55:56 PM PDT by HarleyD
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