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United Methodist Future in Jeopardy, Say 400 UMC Clergy
Christian Post ^ | 09/17/2011 | Lillian Kwon

Posted on 09/17/2011 7:09:35 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Hundreds of United Methodist clergy are expressing deep concerns over a pledge made by a large group of fellow ministers to marry same-sex couples. They argue that if the pledge is carried through, the future of the denomination is in jeopardy.

"We do not know how many, if any, marriages or 'holy unions' of same-sex couples will be performed by UM clergy in the near future," reads a letter, currently signed by more than 400 pastors, to the Council of Bishops. "But we do know the destructive effects that will result in our local churches and throughout the denomination if such services are performed by UM pastors."

The concerned clergy are referring to a pledge that some 900 ministers have endorsed in support of same-sex civil unions. By signing the pledge, they agreed to defy the denomination's ban on blessing same-sex unions.

The United Methodist Church holds the position that the practice of homosexuality is incompatible with Christian teaching and that homosexual unions "shall not be conducted by our ministers" or in UMC churches.

While the denomination has debated the issue of homosexuality for decades, the growing number of clergy willing to disobey church laws and marry gay and lesbian couples has many in the church concerned.

"For forty years we United Methodists have listened to each other, respected each other and have engaged in holy conferencing on the important issues of same-sex marriage and the practice of homosexuality," concerned clergy say in the letter.

"Though the discussions and resultant protests have not always been pleasant, there has been the assurance that we would respect the decisions of General Conference and live by the covenant that holds us together."

The United Methodist Church's General Conference meets every four years. In its most recent meeting in 2008, delegates voted to maintain the church's policy prohibiting the blessing of same-sex unions and the ordination of partnered homosexuals.

But with hundreds now signing on to a pledge to defy the decisions of the denomination's highest governing body, many clergy say this could prove destructive to the unity of the church.

"Honestly, we fear that many of our people will decide that if The United Methodist Church will not live by the covenant that holds us together, it will be time for them to find another church," they state in the letter to bishops.

"The positive ministries of transformational discipleship that we are attempting to build are threatened by this group of defiant clergy."

A website, faithfulumc.com, was launched to collect more signatures from both clergy and laity. According to the website, a total of 1,266 individuals have so far endorsed the letter of concern.

They are urging the Council of Bishops not to allow the "defiant minority" to undermine the witness and unity of their denomination.

"We must see our leaders act with integrity to uphold and support the Discipline as they promised in their ordination and consecration to ministry. We ourselves must act with courage and faithfulness to uphold our commitment to Scripture, The United Methodist Church, and the Wesleyan way."


TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
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1 posted on 09/17/2011 7:09:39 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I agree with my fellow elders, but I would find a way to throw the defiant ones out....in other words, a split.


2 posted on 09/17/2011 7:19:05 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Though the discussions and resultant protests have not always been pleasant, there has been the assurance that we would respect the decisions of General Conference and live by the covenant that holds us together."

The decisions of the "General Conference" are irrelevant spiritually. Either the Methodists decide to abide by God's Word, in which case their decisions say nothing new, or they decide to defy God's Word, in which case their vote is irrelevant to proper conduct. No conference majority can out-vote God. One can vote on peripheral issues on which the Bible is silent or unclear, but not on a central issue such as whether active homosexuality is consistent with following God.

3 posted on 09/17/2011 7:21:35 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: SeekAndFind

I left the United Methodists over this very issue some years ago. The church I belonged to lost a very fine pastor (retired) and his replacement was a woman who preached constantly about the value of homosexuals. She was also obsessed with animals and the souls of animals. She rarely mentioned Jesus and I got the distinct impression that she didn’t believe in God.


4 posted on 09/17/2011 7:21:48 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx87be_34Do


5 posted on 09/17/2011 7:28:13 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: ClearCase_guy

My family have been Methodist for over 40 years, but if this occurs we will be changing churches..

Hubby and I have been talking of a move for about a year now and we more than likely will make that move..

right now we have a pastor who is a native South Korean, and he seems very Conservative and does not support liberal ideas. He has a Doctorate Degree and we look for him to move soon...young people in the rural areas just don’t seem to be interested in attending church services..so sad............


6 posted on 09/17/2011 7:33:45 PM PDT by haircutter
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To: haircutter

I grew up UMC in Texas. My mom still goes to that church.

I live in California now, and there is not a Methodist church that I would go to out here.

I go to a non-denominational church that is conservative in it’s beliefs, but modern in the way they teach those beliefs (rock music, videos, facebook, etc). I miss the more traditional service, but my kids love our church and want to go, and that’s more important to me.

Sad, sad, sad.


7 posted on 09/17/2011 7:53:41 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: SeekAndFind
We welcome them to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church just as we welcomed these other (formerly Methodist) converts.

The Journey Home - 4/25/11 - Joshua Johnson - Former United Methodist minister
EWTN Journey Home - Feb. 28 - Jeffry Hendrix - Former United Methodist pastor
EWTN - The Journey Home - Oct. 26, 2009 - David Twellman, former United Methodist
Faith Journey Leads United Methodist from Pastorate to Catholic Priesthood
Faith Journey Leads United Methodist from Pastorate to Catholic Priesthood
Allen Hunt, Methodist Minister ...Journeys Home (Catholic, Re: Real Presence)/a>
Searching For Authority (A Methodist minister finds himself surprised by Truth!)

8 posted on 09/17/2011 7:53:56 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SeekAndFind

Too bad St. Paul didn’t know all the scientific facts we know now. He’d have written Romans differently.

Not


9 posted on 09/17/2011 7:54:42 PM PDT by Bertha Fanation
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To: SeekAndFind

When a moderate or conservative denomination moves “liberal”, they lose members. Conservatives hold to conservative churches as a bastion and rock against a liberalized culture, thus leave churches moving left. Those on the left rarely go to left-leaning churches, since being non-theist is freer.


10 posted on 09/17/2011 7:54:42 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: SeekAndFind

My family left the United Methodist church back in the late 1980’s because of increasingly liberal leanings of the pastor and the church body. Even then, there was a distinct sense of approval and acceptance for homosexual behavior that, to me, indicated a tacit rejection of God’s Word. When an assistant pastor (semi-retired, not a young man) openly stated (at a dinner in a private home) that he saw nothing wrong with same-sex ‘marriage’, that did it. Although I held a ‘lay leader’ position, we were gone within a month. (With apologies to Yogi Berra) it appears to be Déjà vu all over again in the United Methodist church.


11 posted on 09/17/2011 7:59:39 PM PDT by Jim Scott ( "Game On!" - Sarah Palin)
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To: Salvation
Of course, there is the other side of the equation :

The hidden exodus: Catholics becoming Protestants

As Mexico's Catholics look elsewhere, evangelicals gain

Evangelical Gains in Latin America
12 posted on 09/17/2011 8:05:55 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: luckystarmom
daughter and son-in-law attend a ‘Stanley’ church in Georgia, I've visited several times..rock music and all..it is very different than what I've always known but I'm just thankful that they ‘attend’ a service..our two kids were in all church functions while growing up and enjoyed the events and friends they made...once they were adults on their own, the life styles change but the core belief and teaching, I believe is still there...

I believe prayer is powerful and I use it all the time..the Master and I are on first name basis...I know he listens and HE knows I believe.

13 posted on 09/17/2011 8:11:34 PM PDT by haircutter
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To: Salvation

Allen Hunt had a local radio show here. From what i recall he retired from the ministry to go back to school (Emory Univ - a very liberal methodist college) and the female prof he had was so off the wall he says that helped him convert to catholicism. Of course Allen Hunt has a high opinion opf Jerimiah Wright so go figure.


14 posted on 09/17/2011 8:11:43 PM PDT by fkabuckeyesrule
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To: Pollster1
No conference majority can out-vote God.

True, but they keep trying. Remember the conference majority in Sodom which had only six dissenting votes (Lot, his wife, two daughters and the two visiting holy men)? How did that turn out?

15 posted on 09/17/2011 8:16:16 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

We had a woman pastor in our Methodist church a few years ago and she was just as goofy. I think they wound up taking away her credentials and she sued the church for sex discrimination. I was dismayed she was ordained to begin with; she was clearly unfit.

As for the issue here if these ministers want to leave and start their gay church I say go ahead. It’s addition by subtraction and the best thing that could happen. However if the Methodist church permits gay marriages, I’m outta there.


16 posted on 09/17/2011 8:19:08 PM PDT by henkster (Socialists and liberals all want jobs; they just don't want to work.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Methodist Church started to swing left in the late 50s or early 60s. When I found out they were a sponsoring founder of Handgun Control Inc. and trying to raise funds for a VC field hospital I walked out the door.


17 posted on 09/17/2011 8:30:00 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SeekAndFind

My daughter was a gospel singer for awhile in a group that traveled all over the US. They sang in all sorts of churches and venue’s and were able to observe the different traditions of each denomination. In one Methodist church we were invited to communion with them after the singing. They brought out a loaf of French bread and broke pieces off for each member. I couldn’t believe they didn’t know the significance of “leavened” bread. They seemed to have no clue. There were a half dozen other things I observed that didn’t make sense, but it just seemed they went to church because you were supposed to on Sunday. Many didn’t believe in answered prayer and some didn’t believe Jesus was the only way to Heaven. It was scary to think of this as a “major” denomination. Error was all around. Most churches have luke warm pew sitters, but other than a Unitarian, Methodists are right up there.


18 posted on 09/17/2011 8:32:03 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: Jim Scott

I know of several Bishops on the Council who are openly supportive of ordaining queers. The Council of Bishops is not a body I would expect to be sympathetic to traditional Biblical values.


19 posted on 09/17/2011 8:38:28 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (O assumes the trappings of the presidency, not its mantle. He is not presidential.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Methodists, as a denomination, lost their way upon becoming “united” and leaving the tradition set by the Wesley brothers. My dad’s family was Methodist to the core but when my oldest uncle passed away, he left nothing to the local congregation because he was so disgusted with the state of the denomination.


20 posted on 09/17/2011 9:02:34 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Mike Adams write a good editorial a few years back about this very topic:

http://townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/2007/01/31/open_hearts,_open_minds,_and_open_legs/page/full/


21 posted on 09/17/2011 9:12:24 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

The local church I was raised in seemed pretty conservative for a time, but the headquarters ran off the rails early on with support for leftist movements around the world. The Methodists have not swallowed the poison pill(gay acceptance) but it sounds like they are moving quickly in that direction. If they do, they will become much smaller rather quickly. Gays destroy churches.


22 posted on 09/17/2011 9:56:17 PM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: SeekAndFind

I am Methodist born and raised. I love the Wesleyan doctrine and adhere to its principles of reason and faith. That being said, the liberal Social Princples are very Marxist and I certainly don’t agree with them.


23 posted on 09/17/2011 10:33:48 PM PDT by lone star annie
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To: ClearCase_guy
" Replacement was a woman who preached constantly about the value of homosexuals. She was also obsessed with animals and the souls of animals. She rarely mentioned Jesus and I got the distinct impression that she didn’t believe in God."

Another one of those Jezebels that the feminist have trained, indoctrinated and were told to go into all institutions to " Subvert " and " Take over " .
This is not a isolated case, this is happening all over our culture.
24 posted on 09/17/2011 11:01:36 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: lone star annie

Principles of reason and faith - no longer the issue for the headline grabbers, its all about the homosexuals behaviour now, in all denominations, unfortunately.

Their apostasy is not right in nature, nor in the spiritual world.


25 posted on 09/17/2011 11:05:29 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: SeekAndFind

The path to Hell seems lined with Clergy....
Would Jesus want sin and perversion promoted in His Name?
Jesus taught love but not for sin........


26 posted on 09/18/2011 4:36:12 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Love the sinner. Hate the sin.


27 posted on 09/18/2011 4:40:01 AM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: xzins

I suspect that is going to be the end result x


28 posted on 09/18/2011 9:49:11 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: SeekAndFind

***Hundreds of United Methodist clergy are expressing deep concerns over a pledge made by a large group of fellow ministers to marry same-sex couples.****

If John and Charles Wesley could see what the church they began has devolved into!

If they preached their old sermons again they would be cast out!


29 posted on 09/18/2011 1:56:24 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS & PAINTINGS)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I left in the 80s when I came of age after the pastor spent the sermon trying to take guns away from everyone. That was the final straw for me. A friend in the Border Patrol left long ago when his pastor spent the sermon trying to let illegals into the country.


30 posted on 09/18/2011 2:18:56 PM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: haircutter

The further away from Gospel truth this church goes, the more it will wither and die.

We cannot be voting on ‘what is our truth this year’ because Truth does not change.


31 posted on 09/18/2011 5:06:01 PM PDT by magdalen
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To: eartrumpet

“I left in the 80s when I came of age after the pastor spent the sermon trying to take guns away from everyone. That was the final straw for me.”

Exactly what was his scriptural reasoning for this?

This is a good article:

“What Does the Bible Say About Gun Control?” by Larry Pratt

http://gunowners.org/fs9902.htm


32 posted on 09/18/2011 6:51:05 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: xzins

I don’t envy you your position. May God bless you and keep you on his path, difficult though it may be, and may he give you the strength to carry on in His ways.


33 posted on 09/19/2011 1:35:58 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

To be fair, Wesley did not preach a separate denomination from the Anglican Church.


34 posted on 09/19/2011 1:39:07 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Cronos; Ruy Dias de Bivar

Thank you for your prayers, Cronos. You are correct. The Wesleys never left the Anglican Church themselves, and did not intend for the American Methodists to do so either. Methodism was a movement within Anglicanism rather than a separate church. We would view it something like the charismatic movement within different denominations today.

The Revolutionary War, however, became a great divide between England and the American colonies, and that led to Methodism viewing itself as a new church due to a lack of contact with the Anglicans.


35 posted on 09/19/2011 6:12:00 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins

Though I’m retarded (retired!) I fully agree. I came to the UMC over 35 years ago from another denomination. One of the reasons I made the change was the openness; however, if they ever reach the point they are so “open minded they act like their brains have fallen out, I will be gone - split or another denomination...


36 posted on 09/19/2011 6:38:32 AM PDT by Vernon
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To: Vernon

Hi Vern. How’s wife and fishing buddy?


37 posted on 09/19/2011 7:01:44 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins
All is well...still saying "Yes, ma'am!" Image Hosted by ImageShack.us
38 posted on 09/19/2011 12:24:51 PM PDT by Vernon
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To: tbw2

Could someone tell me more on the UM liberal leanings?
What is their stance on abortion?


39 posted on 11/09/2011 4:35:18 PM PST by YankeeMagic
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To: YankeeMagic
Could someone tell me more on the UM liberal leanings? What is their stance on abortion?

http://archives.umc.org/interior.asp?mid=1732 says that:

Our belief in the sanctity of unborn human life makes us reluctant to approve abortion. But we are equally bound to respect the sacredness of the life and well-being of the mother, for whom devastating damage may result from an unacceptable pregnancy. In continuity with past Christian teaching, we recognize tragic conflicts of life with life that may justify abortion, and in such cases we support the legal option of abortion under proper medical procedures.

40 posted on 11/09/2011 5:37:30 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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