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Why Young Americans Can’t Think Morally (Moral standards have been replaced by feelings)
National Review ^ | 09/20/2011 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 09/21/2011 9:20:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Last week, David Brooks of the New York Times wrote a column on an academic study concerning the nearly complete lack of a moral vocabulary among most American young people. Here are excerpts from Brooks’s summary of the study of Americans aged 18 to 23. It was led by “the eminent Notre Dame sociologist Christian Smith”:

● “Smith and company asked about the young people’s moral lives, and the results are depressing.”

● “When asked to describe a moral dilemma they had faced, two-thirds of the young people either couldn’t answer the question or described problems that are not moral at all.”

● “Moral thinking didn’t enter the picture, even when considering things like drunken driving, cheating in school or cheating on a partner.”

● “The default position, which most of them came back to again and again, is that moral choices are just a matter of individual taste.”

● “As one put it, ‘I mean, I guess what makes something right is how I feel about it. But different people feel different ways, so I couldn’t speak on behalf of anyone else as to what’s right and wrong.’”

● “Morality was once revealed, inherited and shared, but now it’s thought of as something that emerges in the privacy of your own heart.” (Emphases mine.)

Ever since I attended college I have been convinced that “studies” either confirm what common sense suggests or they are mistaken. I realized this when I was presented study after study showing that boys and girls were not inherently different from one another, and they acted differently only because of sexist upbringings.

This latest study cited by David Brooks confirms what conservatives have known for a generation: Moral standards have been replaced by feelings. Of course, those on the left only believe this when an “eminent sociologist” is cited by a writer at a major liberal newspaper.

What is disconcerting about Brooks’s piece is that nowhere in what is an important column does he mention the reason for this disturbing trend: namely, secularism.

The intellectual class and the Left still believe that secularism is an unalloyed blessing. They are wrong. Secularism is good for government. But it is terrible for society (though still preferable to bad religion) and for the individual.

One key reason is what secularism does to moral standards. If moral standards are not rooted in God, they do not objectively exist. Good and evil are no more real than “yummy” and “yucky.” They are simply a matter of personal preference. One of the foremost liberal philosophers, Richard Rorty, an atheist, acknowledged that for the secular liberal, “There is no answer to the question, ‘Why not be cruel?’”

With the death of Judeo-Christian God-based standards, people have simply substituted feelings for those standards. Millions of American young people have been raised by parents and schools with “How do you feel about it?” as the only guide to what they ought to do. The heart has replaced God and the Bible as a moral guide. And now, as Brooks points out, we see the results. A vast number of American young people do not even ask whether an action is right or wrong. The question would strike them as foreign. Why? Because the question suggests that there is a right and wrong outside of themselves. And just as there is no God higher than them, there is no morality higher than them, either.

Forty years ago, I began writing and lecturing about this problem. It was then that I began asking students if they would save their dog or a stranger first if both were drowning. The majority always voted against the stranger — because, they explained, they loved their dog and they didn’t love the stranger.

They followed their feelings.

Without God and Judeo-Christian religions, what else is there?

— Dennis Prager is a nationally syndicated radio talk-show host and columnist.


TOPICS: Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: feelings; morality; moralrelativism; morals; moralstandards; prager

1 posted on 09/21/2011 9:20:43 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“The default position, which most of them came back to again and again, is that moral choices are just a matter of individual taste.”

The truth is your moral choices have eternal consequences.


2 posted on 09/21/2011 9:26:32 AM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: SeekAndFind
What is disconcerting about Brooks’s piece is that nowhere in what is an important column does he mention the reason for this disturbing trend: namely, secularism.

Really? Prager expects the guy who is turned on by the crease in Obummers pants and works at the bastion of secular thinking to name secularism as the cause of societal decay? Good luck with that.

BTW. Did Brooks ever write an "important" column in his life? I rather doubt it.

3 posted on 09/21/2011 9:28:17 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Spot on article.

But.... It is a mistake to think that morality is not being taught to our children in our public schools.

And it is a mistake to think that Government should refrain from passing laws based on morality.

Folks, please understand that morality matters. The immorality that is being shoved down our throats in our schools and in our legislatures is destroying us. Our kids are being taught moral values. But whose??? And what are those values?

That it’s OK for Heather to have two mommies?


4 posted on 09/21/2011 9:29:35 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: DarthVader

“You can’t define Morals on an individual basis.” - Undeniable Truth #1


5 posted on 09/21/2011 9:30:08 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah

M/A ping


6 posted on 09/21/2011 9:30:59 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: SeekAndFind

When those who say such things said “God is dead,” they replaced Him with themselves. Since they are obviously demented, the only way to make any judgments is whether what they are doing feels good. Read any psych/philosophy history book and it comes down to feelings.

That is why they are now pushing to feminize the males. They usually use their brains and logic, but that is where their strength is, so get them to use their feelings and weaken them.

Also why there is a push to use soy products which mimics the female hormones.


7 posted on 09/21/2011 9:33:49 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: DarthVader

You are right!!

I believe the parents have to teach morals to their kids, so many don’t understand that kids learn best by watching the actions of their parents.

My son asked me why I stopped completely at every stop sign at midnight when it was obvious that no car was coming...I answered because stop is not a suggestion..but the law.

Crazy but he never forgot that.


8 posted on 09/21/2011 9:40:29 AM PDT by Dianer0839 (Without the Bread of Life..You're toast.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Sounds like exactly the sort of society you'd expect after a hundred years of the dominant Christian majority teaching their doctrine of each individual interpreting Scriptures and Truth for themselves according to whatever spirit they listen to. Of course, there wasn't a lot of resistance to that thinking from those in the counterweight who desperately wanted to be a part of the worship of self that broke out in the sixties.

Like Alfred E Newman, though, why worry? The people who espouse and preach the doctrine of the correctness of individual interpretation have won and have the society that grows out of that doctrine. So, they got what they wanted and all's well that ends well. Right?

9 posted on 09/21/2011 9:42:23 AM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is insane but kept medicated and on golf courses to hide it)
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To: SeekAndFind

I won’t deny that kids lack a moral compass and it’s probably worse than the preceding generations, but only because we’ve had about 3 generations now, starting with the Boomers, that have reached adulthood with a general lack of moral compass.

That said, most of these kids won’t tell you what they really think because they worry about retaliation. Especially now in a social media world. It was the same in my day and my dad’s day at least where I lived and grew up. People who expressed their morals were targeted and mocked by the skanky minority who wanted to live like trash and expected you to put up with it.

I see lots of good kids and quite a few vocal ones about what’s right and wrong here in the Midwest. This study might be true in areas but I’m willing to bet you’ll find a fairly wide distribution around the average.


10 posted on 09/21/2011 9:43:37 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

“Did David Brooks ever write an important column in his life?”

Yes. But it has been a long time. Probably before he got sucked in by the siren song of the New York slimes.


11 posted on 09/21/2011 9:43:51 AM PDT by barstoolblues (proud member of the sunzab itches club)
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To: SeekAndFind

**people have simply substituted feelings for those standards. ***

On display at DU 24/7.


12 posted on 09/21/2011 9:46:11 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS & PAINTINGS)
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To: SeekAndFind
my feeelings bookmark
13 posted on 09/21/2011 9:51:12 AM PDT by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways a Guero y Guay Lao << >> with a floating, shifting, ever changing)
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To: SeekAndFind

When the bulk of society will save their dog over a human strangers life, there is no ability to mount a combined effort to repeal an invading force. That society is doomed to be chewed up and spit out by someone more evil than their empty hearts.

I fear for my Nation, and hope that it can learn its lesson before it is fatal.


14 posted on 09/21/2011 10:06:46 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Cue song: "Feelings," by Morris Albert (1974

"Feelings" (youtube video)

15 posted on 09/21/2011 10:10:19 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority (Where is the middle ground on insolvency of the United States government?)
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To: DarthVader

When nothing is wrong, nothing is right, etiher.

Not only does this lead to terrible choices, but it also leads to a life of complete emptiness. How can anything have any true or lasting significance to an individual if a choice or a decision has no inherent moral element, but is just a amtter of one’s transient emotions?


16 posted on 09/21/2011 10:16:55 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Please stop posting "helpful hints" in parentheses the title box. Thank you.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hence, the end of DADT. I may have to retire before 30...

Colonel, USAFR


17 posted on 09/21/2011 10:54:57 AM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

Believe it or not, it’s a pretty good tune in the original Spanish (”Dime” - not a tenth of a dollar, but “tell me” in Spn).

Colonel, USAFR


18 posted on 09/21/2011 10:58:25 AM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: SeekAndFind
The default position, which most of them came back to again and again, is that moral choices are just a matter of individual taste.”

This is the result of secular humanism world view which rejects moral absolutes and objective moral values. That leaves subjectivism, emotionalism, and relativism.

19 posted on 09/21/2011 11:30:54 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: SeekAndFind
"They followed their feelings."

It is the logical conclusion of 500 years of Protestant self interpretation and "Sola Mio" called Modernism. Many Protestants believe that they alone are fit to interpret Scripture and establish doctrine so naturally, what ever they think and feel becomes doctrine.

Pope Pius X dubbed Modernism "the synthesis of all heresies”. Modernism is not a dogmatic difference with the Church, rather it is a belief that doctrine and dogma are somehow of secondary importance to its fundamental moral teachings, more precisely, how one feels about those moral teaching.

Every hard decision we are faced with has an easier answer if we succumb to Modernism. We can absolve or diminish every grave and minor sin if we can fabricate a moral construct in which the sinner can remain “a good person” As a consequence we live in a country in which millions of unborn are killed every year, the institution of the family is being destroyed, violence and property crime are rampant, proceeds from confiscatory taxes are declared rights, and our children are faced with a future a standard of living less than ours.

20 posted on 09/21/2011 1:39:41 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: Rashputin
Sounds like exactly the sort of society you'd expect after a hundred years of the dominant Christian majority teaching their doctrine of each individual interpreting Scriptures and Truth for themselves according to whatever spirit they listen to.

Yes, it was much more moral pre-Luther, wasn't it?

::::rolls eyes::::

21 posted on 09/21/2011 1:47:29 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Psychobabble has replaced ethics


22 posted on 09/21/2011 5:59:37 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: MEGoody
There were clearly defined standards, that's the actual topic of discussion, not whether mankind was more or less sinful. And yes, things were more “moral” among average folks before Luther espoused the theory that you could sin boldly and still be right with the Lord. Luther himself said things were worse once every “plow-boy and milk maid” was interpreting Scripture for them self but I guess since Luther was there and didn't have the advantage of revisionist history ...
23 posted on 09/21/2011 9:02:08 PM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is insane but kept medicated and on golf courses to hide it)
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To: Rashputin
There were clearly defined standards, that's the actual topic of discussion

Yes, and of course, you had to bring in the Catholic church - as if God Himself didn't have moral standards long before the Catholics arrived on the scene.

Sheesh.

24 posted on 09/22/2011 6:20:19 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
Eye roll and sheesh all you like but until the Catholic Church the moral standards outside of the Jews were pagan standards, the standards this country and the Western world have returned to. You know, infanticide, abortion, situational ethics, individual definitions of right and wrong, homosexual and bisexual behavior accepted as chic, etc., etc.

Like it or not, it was the Catholic Church that built the Western World and the moral standards that were adopted by those outside the Church as Christian Morality. As soon as the Catholic Church in the US ceased to defy public opinion and hold higher standards those outside the Church began a race to see who could rationalize pagan standards first with the "mainstream" Protestant denominations leading that race from day one.

It's a real shame you don't have much understanding of history rather than a personal bias that denies reality in favor of your own personal revisionist view of reality and history that avoids the key factor in understanding both the rise, and now the fall, of Western Civilization.

have a nice (eye roll) day (sheesh)

25 posted on 09/22/2011 8:07:26 AM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is insane but kept medicated and on golf courses to hide it)
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To: Rashputin
Yeah, Pope Alexander VI, Pope John XII, Pope Benedict IX, Pope Boniface VIII, Pope Urban VI, Pope John XXII, Pope Gregory XII, Pope John XXIII - all paragons of virture, exhibiting those wonderful Catholic morals you talk about.

In my opinion, it was actually the rejection of the Catholic Church as THE face of Christianity that has done the most to bring it's leadership around to a more moral stance. You should be thanking non-Catholic Christians for helping to keep your church in check.

26 posted on 09/22/2011 8:39:46 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
"... the rejection of the Catholic Church as THE face of " Christianity..."

Alas, that opinion and the attendant heresy of there being no way to avoid sin and therefore you should sin boldly is one of the best lies Satan ever planted as "opinion" in those those who frolic along the wide and easily navigated highway to their own eternal damnation with. Enjoy the ride because you're not going to like the destination.

Sheesh, eye roll, and even a belly laugh at the absurd notion that avoiding Christ and refusing to take up your cross makes you a "non-Catholic Christian".

have a nice day

27 posted on 09/22/2011 9:08:08 AM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is insane but kept medicated and on golf courses to hide it)
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To: Rashputin
I see. So the "morals" of those Popes I mentioned previously was just fine with you. After all, they were the leaders of the church you claim was the arbiter of morality prior to Luther.

No thanks.

28 posted on 09/22/2011 12:21:09 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
That's OK. You're free to deny Christ but still call yourself a Christian, that's been the Protestant way since Luther.

have a nice day

29 posted on 09/22/2011 12:33:54 PM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is insane but kept medicated and on golf courses to hide it)
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To: Rashputin
That's OK. You're free to deny Christ but still call yourself a Christian

Please site the post where I ever denied Christ. Oh, that's right, you can't.

Gee, I thought at least the modern Catholic Church morality called for adherence to "thou shalt not bear false witness". Based on your behavior, apparently that's gone by the wayside.

30 posted on 09/22/2011 1:01:14 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
You're Protestant, therefore, you deny what Christ taught and substitute what you yourself want to believe. Simple.

Really, you can put the straw man stuff up and knock it down all you like. I understand. It's how you convince yourself you're still a Christian in spite of denying what Christ taught. It's no problem, I only mention it to you so you can no longer plead ignorance. Of course, when push comes to shove as it most surely will for you, you'll still be claiming to have been right all along but that's the way it'll be for hordes of people. Just enjoy your heresy, shake your little head, roll your eyes, and keep on beating the straw man.

What you thought about the Catholic Church is obviously total BS across the board so citing a single Christian tenant you like after a lot of picking and choosing based on your own inclinations is laughable. You've been spoon fed anti-Catholic BS for your entire life or that you chose to believe such BS so you can continue to delude yourself. So, what you thought or what you think of me and what I've said is just hot air. As for false witness you're just seeing your faults in others that's all. You are Protestant, therefore, you deny at least a portion of what Christ taught. Nothing false in that.

Roll on down the highway and have a really nice day.

31 posted on 09/22/2011 1:44:47 PM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is insane but kept medicated and on golf courses to hide it)
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To: Rashputin

LOL You and those like you are among the huge reasons I could never be Catholic.


32 posted on 09/23/2011 6:48:40 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
I completely understand. You and those like you cannot give up putting your self and your understanding ahead of your own salvation. It's sad but true and it's why this country has followed the Protestant precedent of each individual interpreting everything for themselves into the wonderful mess we're now in. People who are sure they can each individually interpret the Word of God aren't going to bat an eye and interpreting laws and moral standards of societies for themselves, usually, interpreting them to apply to others but not them. Hence, the very Protestant world of revisionist history and each individual having their own definition of right and wrong.

I hate to see another one of you folks sliding into Hell, but you just can't get past that whole self issue that Eve was the first to fall for. To do so you have to deny the deity of Christ while claiming to follow Him. It's not "people like you" who are keeping you from being Christian, it's your own selfishness. So, party on, Dude.

Have a nice day

33 posted on 09/23/2011 10:21:43 PM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is insane but kept medicated and on golf courses to hide it)
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To: Rashputin

The Catholic Church does not save - Jesus does. Sadly, you’ve put your denomination ahead of Him.


34 posted on 09/26/2011 7:12:55 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Rashputin

By the way, even your Pope does not claim that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church - yet you do. Interesting.


35 posted on 09/26/2011 7:13:53 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
Actually, I claim that people who have to interject themselves into a conversation to roll their eyes over a fact that is clearly in evidence in history are also incapable of interpreting Scripture sufficiently to be saved no matter where they stand in relation to the Church.

Now come on, what's really “interesting” is why you couldn't just let someone state an opinion without granting yourself the pleasure of mocking the Catholic Church and the role it played in history. Of course, your eye rolling and rote repetition of lies along with your inability to understand simple sentences is laughable. Outside the Catholic Church? Well, yes. Outside of Christ based on your own personal interpretation when it's clear you can't read well? Not a chance?

have a lovely day

36 posted on 09/26/2011 9:40:38 AM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is insane but kept medicated and on golf courses to hide it)
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To: Rashputin
I see, so because I rolled my eyes at your silly comment, you claim I can't be saved. Got it.

What a model Catholic you are. LOL

37 posted on 09/26/2011 11:06:29 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
You deny Christ, that's the problem. Not your poor taste, lack of reading comprehension, and a miserable lack of knowledge about Western history. You're a model Sola Yourselfa idol maker.

Eye roll, snicker, chuckle, yuck, yuck. LOL, har, har. Wow, you're such a perfect example of a Self Worshiper. LOL. Har, Har.

Party on,. Dude.

38 posted on 09/26/2011 11:59:00 AM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is insane but kept medicated and on golf courses to hide it)
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To: Rashputin
You deny Christ, that's the problem.

That is the second time you've made that claim. The first time you posted that, I asked you to copy/paste where I ever did such a thing. Of course, you didn't do that because you couldn't. You still can't, because it never happened.

Because of your repeated lies, I can only presume that lying is part of the morality taught by the Catholic Church. Or are you simply being a hypocrit?

39 posted on 09/26/2011 12:09:34 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
You're Protestant, right? So, by definition you deny that Christ is one with the Father. How else can he admit anyone or anything into heaven when they're impure by simply hiding them in his diplomatic pouch so the Father won't “see” the sin and unrighteousness in them? Without that little joke Protestants have to admit a lot of things they'd rather not admit. So, there you have it, the denial of Christ.

Now, just to stay on the same plane as someone who has to jump in and make with snark, .... Har Harr, Bwaaaaaa Hahaha, LOL, Liar, Liar, Harr, Harr, hypocrite, LOL, LOL

Party on and enjoy the road you're on because you won't enjoy the destination.

40 posted on 09/26/2011 12:15:53 PM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is insane but kept medicated and on golf courses to hide it)
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To: Responsibility2nd
But.... It is a mistake to think that morality is not being taught to our children in our public schools.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

ALL education is profoundly religious, cultural, and political and **never** neutral!!!

It is impossible to have a neutral government school! ALL government schools have profoundly non-neutral religious, cultural, and political content and consequences.

If children attend godless government schools they **will** learn to think and reason godlessly. They **must** merely to cooperate with the classroom.

If children attend socialist government schools they will learn to be comfortable both with socialism simply by accepting tuition-free schooling, as well as the socialist indoctrination from their socialist-paid liberal/Marxist teachers. Well?...Why not rally the voting mob to get lots of other free things using government force?

Our government K-12 schools are a First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination. We must eliminate them. Our colleges and universities are a disgrace as well!

41 posted on 09/26/2011 12:27:55 PM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: Rashputin
So, by definition you deny that Christ is one with the Father.

This is what you think? No wonder your saying such nonsensical things. You haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about.

I do notice you haven't denied lying. . .or being a hypocrite.

Have a nice day. Come back when you grow up a bit. You are dismissed.

42 posted on 09/26/2011 12:32:24 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Rashputin
What we face a deadly philosophy of godless Marxism here, **right now**, embedded in every one of our cultural institutions. Islam stands on the sidelines.

Benjamine Franklin said, “We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.”

I have a variation of that: We Christians ( Catholics and Protestants) and Jews march together or we will absolutely be marched to the cattle cars together.

So...Please take your anti-Prostestant drivel and go stuff it! Please stand aside and let the grown-ups take charge.

43 posted on 09/26/2011 12:38:31 PM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: Natural Law; SeekAndFind
The following is for you, too, Natural Law:

What we face a deadly philosophy of godless Marxism here, **right now**, embedded in every one of our cultural institutions. Islam stands on the sidelines.
Benjamin Franklin said, “We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.”

I have a variation of that: We Christians ( Catholics and Protestants) and Jews march together or we will absolutely be marched to the cattle cars together.

So...Please take your anti-Prostestant drivel and go stuff it! Please stand aside and let the grown-ups take charge.

44 posted on 09/26/2011 12:44:23 PM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: wintertime
"We Christians ( Catholics and Protestants) and Jews march together or we will absolutely be marched to the cattle cars together."

You really don't want to go there. I have no problem with most of Protestantism and have dear friends and family members who are Protestant. I do accept that there are doctrinal issues and that there have been excesses by bad apples within the Church over time.

My problem is with those who masquerade as Christians and exist here in cyberspace only to vilify the Church. Those need to be identified and countered with the truth. When fellow Protestants begin to call them out and address the excessive statements, the flame bait and outright lies I will begin to believe this Kumbya thing.

And for the record it was the primarily the members of the Protestant Reichkirche loading Catholics and Jews into the cattle cars. It is estimated that as many as 8 million Catholics were killed in the Holocaust. In Poland alone there were 3 million Catholics and a significant percentage of their clergy killed by the Nazi's. As bad as that seems it pales in comparison the the numbers of Catholics killed within Britain and Ireland in the last 500 years for Catholic.

45 posted on 09/26/2011 1:38:41 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: Natural Law
As I said, “Go stuff it!”
46 posted on 09/26/2011 2:33:10 PM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: MEGoody
LOL. Dismissed. The usual retort someone yells over their shoulder when they run away from truth. Just rock on down that big, broad, roll your own religion, highway you're on, big guy. You now know you're deep into heresy and can no longer plead invincible ignorance. If you don't agree that Christ will simply "hide" your sin rather than purify you through justification then you disagree with Wycliff, Luther, Zwingli, and Calvin, to name just the earliest of the heretics, not to mention the thousands since then who have made their own little church, school, university, or whatever else they could talk people into giving money for while all along preaching whatever kept the money coming, not His Word.

I realize there are a few Protestants who are earnestly seeking to follow Christ rather than to just whip up their own religion and whistle past the graveyard but for the most part those are folks who know that they're not Protestant to begin with. The thousands of Evangelical, Pentecostal, Mega Church, "Sola Yourselfa", churches are all just keeping one another comfortable while they roll down the highway to hell. They're also just the current manifestation of the very "religious thought" that is the root and primary cause a society wherein everyone defines their own truth and their own right and wrong.

Unlike your average, "eye rolling dolt", though, such folks have studied enough to realize that beating on the Catholic Church is a big mistake now and breaking away from it rather than working within the One True Church was a huge mistake that has done more to aid the cause of Humanism and anti-Christian forces in society than it has to spread the Word to those who are lost. It's spread a word but only by redefining The Word to suit whatever trend the non-Catholic crowd wants to justify at the moment. Like abortion, queers preaching, queers being married, women preachers, etc., etc., starting with doing a 180 degree turn on contraception when preaching against it hurt the receipts and threatened the pastors salary. So, like Luther said, it was "sin boldly", especially when not sinning gets between you and a buck.

Lying? OH, you were lying. I knew that but it's good you finally admit it. Me lie? Nah, so why would deny something I haven't done? Roll those little peepers, now. How cute that is, the peeper roller grins and bats it's little eyes. Is that a blush? OH, how sweet..

You have a nice day now, ya' hear?

OH, in keeping with your approach, LOL, Har, Har, Bwaa Ha Ha, rolling eyes, sheesh, geez, and Party On, Dude.

47 posted on 09/26/2011 4:39:37 PM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is insane but kept medicated and on golf courses to hide it)
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