Posted on 09/26/2011 6:38:28 PM PDT by ReligiousLibertyTV
I have some friends who tell me that I don’t make sense when it comes to my position on separation of church and state. You see, some would call me a “fundamentalist” Christian. For example, I believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God and try to live my life by its teachings. I believe that God created the world in seven, literal, twenty-four hour days and rested on the seventh day. I believe in the virgin birth of Jesus Christ and that He is the divine Son of God. I also believe that marriage between a man and a woman is the biblical ideal and that any extra-martial sexual relationship is called sin in the Bible. Ultimately, I believe that the lifestyle that God describes in the Bible is the best and happiest way for me to live.
But here’s the rub: I also believe in keeping church and state separate. Some of my friends can’t understand why. To them, it’s a contradiction of my other beliefs. “If you believe that the Bible teaches that extra-marital sex is wrong, why don’t you believe that it should be outlawed in America?” they ask.
True, there was a time when laws of the Bible were the law of the land. In the Old Testament, the laws of God were enforced on the nation of Israel. But that was in a time when God ruled directly through kings and prophets in what we call a theocracy. By the time Jesus arrived, however, He made it clear that the theocracy was over: “My kingdom is not of this world.”, He said, “if it were, my servants would fight… but now my kingdom is not from here.” (John 18:36).
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The state needs to be kept out of religious matters, but religious people are perfectly as free as everyone else to be involved with politics.
Thou shalt not kill.......now that is just a Christian thing?
Yep, rape and murder are lifestyle choices, who are you to legislate morality??
Oh, you mean Christians have the same rights in politics and religious speech is free speech?? Can that be right??
Too late! Environmentalism is the new church of state.
Well, it looks like everybody better get a gun. Things are going to get a bit crazy if we believe this idiot.
The author’s problem is not his bible, its his lack of civic’s knowledge. We have a representative government. It is my desire as a Christian to vote for representatives that reflect Christian morals and Christians willing to stand firm on their faith.
Therefore, its important to me to vote for the person I think will follow Christ. Nothing about that will turn this nation into a theocracy. It will however, give us leaders that we can trust.
Oh I believe he has decided he will not hear any voice
contrary to his own. Come to think of it when I listen to the voices in my head I sound just like him. He has made up his mind to do what he wants. And has said not every law a
Christian ought be bound to obey ought be civil Law. What he does not say is if the State goes over the edge and decides same sex marriage ought be the Law of the land—will he then offiate at same sex unions calling them Married. Jesus—I seem to recall called such fornication ,and adultery yet unless I am mistaken under Roman law such and more was permissible so long as Caesar was worshipped.
When you separate morals and ethics from government, you are dealing with a corrupt and murderous monster. You saw it in Hitler’s Germany, Stalin’s Soviet Union and most thrid world hell holes.
Western Ethics and morals are “religion” to these idiots because these prinicipals are rooted in the wisdom of the Bible and were put into practice in our Judeo-Christian system of law and culture.
This anti-ethical libertarian mentality is so simple minded and stupid, it’s hard to imagine anyone who has lived longer than five minutes and who is not totally evil, could arrive at such conclusions.
bump!
I agree with you, Jesus was not of this world and neither are his people, we are just passing through.
Thou shalt not kill.......now that is just a Christian thing?
Well, it looks like everybody better get a gun. Things are going to get a bit crazy if we believe this idiot.
This country is run by the people of the several states although many of them are not aware of it and it does not matter if they are Christian or what their belief is, or rather that is the way it is supposed to be.
You do not have to be a Christian to not believe in killing, that is ridicules, Gods laws becomes a part of those people who believe, if the only reason you don,t kill is because it is against the law of the state then why even worry about it because you are lost to God any way.
P.S we have some stupid laws just because of some religious nuts who call them selves Christian, like the sin tax on tobacco and alcohol, junk food etc.
I know I will catch some heat for this, bit I am against school prayer.
Now hear me out:
Scenario 1:
As soon as school prayer is allowed, the teacher will lead the class in prayer. Whose prayer? Her particular church’s? Her cult’s? Do we want her having our kids on their knees facing Mecca?
Scenario 2:
There will be some prayer prescribed by the school district or the state, one that won’t offend anyone. It will be offered up to some generic deity, one who is not the God of Abraham, Issac.... And it certainly won’t include Jesus.
My Children can pray anytime they want, they don’t need a teacher’s permission or spiritual guidance.
Back to the original premise, the Apostles were real excited about Jesus restoring the Kingdom, and he told them that is not his mission. Why do we long for something that He denied the Apostles?
I know I will catch some heat for this, bit I am against school prayer.
Now hear me out:
Scenario 1:
As soon as school prayer is allowed, the teacher will lead the class in prayer. Whose prayer? Her particular church’s? Her cult’s? Do we want her having our kids on their knees facing Mecca?
Scenario 2:
There will be some prayer prescribed by the school district or the state, one that won’t offend anyone. It will be offered up to some generic deity, one who is not the God of Abraham, Issac.... And it certainly won’t include Jesus.
My Children can pray anytime they want, they don’t need a teacher’s permission or spiritual guidance.
Back to the original premise, the Apostles were real excited about Jesus restoring the Kingdom, and he told them that is not his mission. Why do we long for something that He denied the Apostles?
When you separate morals and ethics from government, you are dealing with a corrupt and murderous monster. You saw it in Hitler’s Germany, Stalin’s Soviet Union and most thrid world hell holes.
Western Ethics and morals are “religion” to these idiots because these prinicipals are rooted in the wisdom of the Bible and were put into practice in our Judeo-Christian system of law and culture.
This anti-ethical libertarian mentality is so simple minded and stupid, it’s hard to imagine anyone who has lived longer than five minutes and who is not totally evil, could arrive at such conclusions.
The author was exactly right, Christs kingdom is not of this world and when Christians start trying to run it it will turn out just like the the last time they were running it, would any one want to be told just what the scripture meant?
Can any one show me where Jesus said we were supposed to rule the world?
I will vote for what i think Jesus would say is right, but i do not want some one dictating to me and i have no right to dictate to some one else, and i believe that is what the author is saying, also i hate queerdom and every thing that it stands for but it is really animosity toward God, what better way could any one show their hate toward God, I will vote against same sex marriage but will that solve the real problem? i don,t think so, it will just make me feel better.
If one could understand Rev it sure would be nice i think, but at any rate Jesus said i go and prepare a place for you so that where i am you will be also. so we need to understand that good things are not going to happen here on this planet if they were why would he go and prepare a place?
Paul said that if our hope is in this life only, we are most miserable of all men, the unbelievers know that they are going to die, so we knowing that there is another life that we look forward to but still put all our hope in this life we will be more disappointed than they, and if we spend so much time worrying about what is happening in satans world then we could miss the one that is to come.
What you misunderstand is that morality is legislated everyday by law-making bodies. They cram whatever morality they have the votes for. There is no question that governments drift toward craziness over time. At some point it will be OK to kill certain people (who don’t have the votes)(example: euthanasia). Governments get like that and do it all the time. You can surely cite numerous murderous governments. We have been protected here by the Judeo-Christian ethical standard, but it is cracking.
I don't know where that might be, maybe parts of Utah.
In my case, the overwhelming number of folks are Roman Catholic, with quite a few Jewish folks. We Reformed are the distinct minority. Not that we aren't the minority anywhere in the US.
What you misunderstand is that morality is legislated everyday by law-making bodies. They cram whatever morality they have the votes for. There is no question that governments drift toward craziness over time. At some point it will be OK to kill certain people (who don’t have the votes)(example: euthanasia). Governments get like that and do it all the time. You can surely cite numerous murderous governments. We have been protected here by the Judeo-Christian ethical standard, but it is cracking.
Also if he is wrong about what the Bible says, what is it? sure looks word for word to me. seems to me the people who disagree with him are just reading between the lines and getting something out of it that he did not say and maybe did not even think.
We who think of our selves as Christians can debate all day about what laws we should have on the books, but we need to realize that this world is ruled by Satan and Satan is the one who has to use the law to get his way until his end has come.
but l kind of doubt if the teacher should lead it to the class unless every one is of the same mind,
I don’t know where that might be, maybe parts of Utah.
In my case, the overwhelming number of folks are Roman Catholic, with quite a few Jewish folks. We Reformed are the distinct minority. Not that we aren’t the minority anywhere in the US.
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