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Priest barred from saying mass ["it is we Catholics who are destroying our Catholic Church"]
Telegraph-Journal ^ | September 22nd, 2011 | SHAWN BERRY

Posted on 09/27/2011 7:13:08 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

An elderly priest on the Acadian Peninsula has been barred from performing church services in the Bathurst diocese after he made remarks about homosexuals and women who have had an abortion.

Rev. Donat Gionet, 85, gave the sermon at the Roman Catholic church in Saint-Léolin while replacing the regular parish priest late last month.

He stands by the comments he made in Saint-Léolin, a village of about 730 people located about 50 kilometres east of Bathurst.

Reached in Caraquet on Wednesday, Gionet declined an interview but did provide a written statement.

In a letter written in French that he provided to the Telegraph-Journal, Gionet stated the sermon in question was about the destruction of the Church and the need to seek forgiveness for past sins:

"I said: 'Today, it is we Catholics who are destroying our Catholic Church. We need only look at the number of abortions among Catholics, look at the homosexuals, and ourselves.' (That's when I pointed at my chest - through that action I wanted to say, we the priests) and I continued saying: We are destroying our Church ourselves. And that's when I said that those were the words expressed by Pope John Paul II. At that point, in the St-Léolin church only, I added: 'We can add to that the practice of watching gay parades, we are encouraging this evil' ... What would you think of someone who seeing what was happening on (Sept.) 11, 2001, the crumbling of the towers, had begun clapping? We must not encourage evil, whatever form it takes."
Bishop Valéry Vienneau has revoked Gionet's rights to serve mass across the Diocese of Bathurst, a decision welcomed by Joseph Lanteigne, the openly gay mayor of Saint-Léolin.

"The action taken by the diocese is good and I know it isn't easy for the diocese."

Since the incident, Gionet has quit his position on the Saint-Léolin parish's pastoral committee.

Rev. Wesley Wade, vicar general of the Diocese of Bathurst, said Gionet's teachings don't meet the diocese's goal of following Christ's example of loving unconditionally.

"We have to respect people on their own journey," Wade said.

"The first message of Christ was to reveal to us a loving father and a merciful father and that we are all called to be his children and that we are all loved unconditionally by Him."

While the Church gets criticized as a judgmental institution, Wade said the reality is "it's full of compassion."

In a letter to parishioners earlier this week, Vienneau said Gionet had been pulled from active ministry.

At a meeting last week, Gionet told Vienneau that he had no plans to change or temper his comments.

Gionet also said, as a priest, he has a duty to encourage those who aren't living their lives according to Catholic teachings to mend their ways.


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Worship
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortions; canada; catholic; homonaziagenda; homonazism; homopsychoagenda; homosexualagenda; homosexualism; homotyranny; prolife; rcc; righttolife; romancatholic; romancatholicism
Rev. Donat Gionet, 85, gave the sermon at the Roman Catholic church in Saint-Léolin while replacing the regular parish priest late last month....

"I said: 'Today, it is we Catholics who are destroying our Catholic Church. We need only look at the number of abortions among Catholics, look at the homosexuals, and ourselves.' (That's when I pointed at my chest - through that action I wanted to say, we the priests) and I continued saying: We are destroying our Church ourselves. And that's when I said that those were the words expressed by Pope John Paul II. At that point, in the St-Léolin church only, I added: 'We can add to that the practice of watching gay parades, we are encouraging this evil' ... What would you think of someone who seeing what was happening on (Sept.) 11, 2001, the crumbling of the towers, had begun clapping? We must not encourage evil, whatever form it takes."

....Rev. Wesley Wade, vicar general of the Diocese of Bathurst, said Gionet's teachings don't meet the diocese's goal of following Christ's example of loving unconditionally. "We have to respect people on their own journey," Wade said. "The first message of Christ was to reveal to us a loving father and a merciful father and that we are all called to be his children and that we are all loved unconditionally by Him." While the Church gets criticized as a judgmental institution, Wade said the reality is "it's full of compassion."

1 posted on 09/27/2011 7:13:12 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy
Old news.
2 posted on 09/27/2011 7:18:11 AM PDT by conservonator
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To: Alex Murphy

With a name like “Wesley Wade”, he’s got to be a fag.


3 posted on 09/27/2011 7:18:11 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Alex Murphy

“Rev. Wesley Wade, vicar general of the Diocese of Bathurst, said Gionet’s teachings don’t meet the diocese’s goal of following Christ’s example of loving unconditionally.”

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Ummmm, yes they do. at the essence of what the Church’s judgmentalism means. “Loving undonditionally” does not mean failing to recognize and condemn sin.

Fr. Wade needs to re-read his catechism.


4 posted on 09/27/2011 7:18:20 AM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: Alex Murphy

Unreal. Is someone looking into the guy who made the decision? This stinks to high heaven.


5 posted on 09/27/2011 7:19:13 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Alex Murphy

What interesting times we live in, where a congregation can get a priest banned because they don’t like his sermons. What need is there for priests if the congregation knows better?


6 posted on 09/27/2011 7:26:15 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Alex Murphy

Rev Gionet is right on target.
THE PEOPLE responsible for the recent losses in the Catholic Church are primarily the Hierarchy who act as apoligists and enablers for the creatins (priests) acting as Homosexuals abusing children.
That such widespread abuse continues to happen within the church is because the Hierarchs refuse to condemn such parverted activity and remove the perpetrators from the priesthood of church..
We have not maintained Christ as the central theme of the church and we have not been true to his teachings.
We have essentially lost our way.
The Gionet case proves the point.


7 posted on 09/27/2011 7:33:20 AM PDT by chatham
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To: conservonator
Nancy Pelosi is still allowed to take Communion. Says it all.
8 posted on 09/27/2011 7:34:16 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: EyeGuy

Christ didn’t “love unconditionally”. Ask the Pharissees and money changers.


9 posted on 09/27/2011 7:35:09 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: conservonator

I hadn’t seen it.


10 posted on 09/27/2011 7:39:29 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Alex Murphy
Priest barred from saying mass ["it is we Catholics CINOs who are destroying our Catholic Church"]

There, fixed it!

11 posted on 09/27/2011 7:43:39 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: achilles2000

I don’t know, I think he loves unconditionally, but he clearly doesn’t and didn’t see encouraging people in sin as a loving act. Our Lord is inclusive and tolerant too. He welcomes and calls all of us to repent and come to Him even though he allows us to persist in our rejection of him. Of course none of these examples of real love, tolerance and inclusion bear any similarity to how people today want to use these words.


12 posted on 09/27/2011 7:44:04 AM PDT by cothrige
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To: Alex Murphy

bkmk


13 posted on 09/27/2011 7:56:01 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: pepsi_junkie

2 Timothy 4:3 A time will come when people will not listen to accurate teachings. Instead, they will follow their own desires and surround themselves with teachers who tell them what they want to hear.


14 posted on 09/27/2011 8:01:38 AM PDT by gwel57
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To: Huskrrrr
Nancy Pelosi is still allowed to take Communion. Says it all.

Yes, it does. "Unconditional" acceptance is heresy of the highest order. And Nancy isn't the only heretic allowed to desecrate the "sacred" place. It's virtually universally rampant, with impunity.

15 posted on 09/27/2011 8:05:40 AM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: cothrige

If Christ loves unconditionally, no one would go to hell. But we are told in no uncertain terms that the vast majority of humanity will be assigned there.


16 posted on 09/27/2011 8:07:46 AM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: conservonator
Old news.

Truth never gets old

17 posted on 09/27/2011 8:11:47 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Alex Murphy

So what’s your point? Are you attacking the Church again or defending the gay community? Would you care to post the Canadian laws governing speech against homosexuality (hint - the First Amendment doesn’t apply there) and what the penalties are?


18 posted on 09/27/2011 8:16:04 AM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: Alex Murphy

“Go and sin no more...”


19 posted on 09/27/2011 8:32:45 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Salvation

Amen!


20 posted on 09/27/2011 8:55:20 AM PDT by johngrace (1 John 4!- which is also declared at every sunday mass.)
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To: Huskrrrr
Nancy Pelosi is still allowed to take Communion. Says it all.

How is fancy Nancy related to this story?

21 posted on 09/27/2011 11:22:52 AM PDT by conservonator
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To: traderrob6
I hadn’t seen it.

My guess is that could be said for a number of stories, should we recycle them too?

22 posted on 09/27/2011 11:23:54 AM PDT by conservonator
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To: RnMomof7
Truth never gets old

No it doesn't, but recycled stories do.

23 posted on 09/27/2011 11:26:43 AM PDT by conservonator
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To: PetroniusMaximus; Chode
With a name like “Wesley Wade”, he’s got to be a fag.
24 posted on 09/27/2011 12:09:26 PM PDT by Morgana ("Since using your shampoo my hair has come alive!" ----Medusa)
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To: Alex Murphy

“Rev. Wesley Wade, vicar general of the Diocese of Bathurst, said Gionet’s teachings don’t meet the diocese’s goal of following Christ’s example of loving unconditionally.”

Poppycock. The Bishop should be replaced and the priest reinstated. Unconditional love does not mean unconditional acceptance of acts and practices. It means unconditional acceptance of people despite them.

Perhaps the Bishop has been mau-maued into forgetting the bit about loving the sinner while hating the sin. I know it’s mocked in trendy circles, even among churchmen.

If the law prohibits the priest’s freedom to speak his mind from the pulpit, then he can choose to be jailed for what he believes, and challenge the law by his example. Since he, unlike the Bishop, strikes me as a brave man, he might choose to live out his final days in glorious defiance of political correctness.


25 posted on 09/27/2011 12:20:56 PM PDT by Sick of Lefties
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To: conservonator

A priest is punished for upholding the tenets of Catichism and Pelosi is not for violating one of the main tenets.


26 posted on 09/27/2011 1:13:30 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Morgana
delenda est...
27 posted on 09/27/2011 2:52:07 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Huskrrrr
"Nancy Pelosi is still allowed to take Communion."

To paraphrase Harry Truman; "Give me a one handed Protestant"!

On one hand we hear endlessly from the Protestant posters about what an abomination and blemish on Christianity the Inquisitions were and then on the other hand we hear them clamor endlessly about the need to institute an new Inquisition to determine the appropriate level of Catholicness of sinners.

28 posted on 09/27/2011 5:25:29 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: conservonator

Old news? Posted 5 days ago is “old”? Often multiple articles are posted about the same incident, they often give more background, details, etc.

Five days is old??


29 posted on 09/27/2011 5:33:38 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: conservonator

“My guess is that could be said for a number of stories, should we recycle them too?”

Wake up pal, it happens here all the time.

It’s beginning to appear that your problem is more with the story than the fact it’s a repeat.


30 posted on 09/28/2011 4:40:22 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: little jeremiah
So you're ok with multiple postings of the same story? Is it cool with you if posters repeat the same story every few days, 'just in case' someone hasn't had a chance to see it? Search is not your friend?

I'll keep that in mind.

31 posted on 09/28/2011 6:03:21 AM PDT by conservonator
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To: traderrob6
The problem is that it's not an accident that the story was repeated, it's getting pretty old actually and so are FReepers who can't see that fact plain.

As far as the story goes, the existence and knowledge of bad Bishops is a wee bit older than you, me and even the interweb.

32 posted on 09/28/2011 6:07:02 AM PDT by conservonator
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To: conservonator

A. I didn’t post the story, so I didn’t have to worry about doing a search.

B. The story was not the exact same article; therefore search wouldn’t have done any good.

C. Every day, FR has articles about the same event/topic, from varied sources, some shedding more light with more details, background etc.

D. What are you really upset about?


33 posted on 09/28/2011 7:33:00 AM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: achilles2000

Christ loved them enough to tell them openly and clearly that they were doing wrong.


34 posted on 09/28/2011 10:05:19 AM PDT by Flying Circus
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To: little jeremiah

Ping for tomorrow.


35 posted on 09/28/2011 8:41:42 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: fwdude
If Christ loves unconditionally, no one would go to hell. But we are told in no uncertain terms that the vast majority of humanity will be assigned there.

I don't see how our rejection of God's love is evidence that he actually doesn't love us. Hell, in my opinion, proves that it is our love that is conditional, not God's.

36 posted on 09/29/2011 5:01:33 AM PDT by cothrige
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To: little jeremiah
A. I didn’t post the story, so I didn’t have to worry about doing a search.

Never impied that you were the poster, not sure what your point is by making a false claim.

B. The story was not the exact same article; therefore search wouldn’t have done any good.

Wrong

C. Every day, FR has articles about the same event/topic, from varied sources, some shedding more light with more details, background etc.

See "B"

D. What are you really upset about?

Nothingt, just pointing out the obvious.

37 posted on 09/29/2011 7:06:22 AM PDT by conservonator
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To: cothrige

Ping tomorrow then!


38 posted on 09/29/2011 9:16:09 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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