Posted on 09/30/2011 7:59:14 AM PDT by marshmallow
incredible...they continue to squabble amongst themselves, as ‘equals’, thus accomplishing nothing of note.....
I will stick with the historicity of papal supremacy, i.e. not revisionist ‘first among equals’ crap.....
Reconciliation between Catholicism and Orthodoxy depends on resolving the definition of papal primacy to everyone’s satisfaction. The Orthodox will never swim the Tiber.
Do you think they will swim, if the primacy issue gets resolved to their satisfaction?
So here we go, you aren't a very educated Roman Catholic are you. Question for you. When is the feast of St. Peter? Another one. Where is your icon of the Church? When you figure out those answers you can have an intelligent discussion with the Orthodox.
Looking only at the structural differences, both have advantages and disadvantages. I don't think there is such a thing a 'perfect' in this matter.
The way I read this is that the Orthodox would need some type of more hierarchical structure in order to speak with one voice about reconciliation with the West.
I believe, and pray, a way will be found.
We don't view or define "church" in the same way, so there's a communications problem here.
For us, Church is the Body of Christ, the pillar and foundation of all Truth, established by Our Saviour, and through which His Sacraments are given. The head of the Church is Christ's representative on earth. Being in communion is very important to us. It is being One in Christ by living a Sacramental Life.
Non-Catholics see church much differently. I'm posting this not to argue the differences, but to explain them.
YOU:
So here we go, you aren’t a very educated Roman Catholic are you. Question for you. When is the feast of St. Peter? Another one. Where is your icon of the Church? When you figure out those answers you can have an intelligent discussion with the Orthodox.
ME: so here we go, you arent a very educated orthodox are
you? Question for you. Where was the orthodox church and their patriarchs during the first few centuries, while Rome had the papacy? When squabbles and heresies broke out, who straightened them out, the patriarchs or the successor’s of Peter in rome? when you figure out those answers you can have an intelligent discussion with the roman catholics
JMO but how far apart could the two be on issues? ...perhaps three marriages issue is the bugger? As an RC I think that is more appropriate as the Jews have the same deal. So why doesn’t the RC just agree to everything the Orthodox espouse and they then have one church. The Pope can always change things slowly over the next century or so until things are as they are in the RC church today. Again JMO
They won’t “swim” if swimming needs to be on Rome’s terms entirely (conversion). That is, going to Rome. They need to believe they are meeting Rome halfway.
Who is the "neck" that connects the head to the body, in your church?
Yes that is correct for us as well. As we view Church, Christ is the head, the Church, more specifically the Communion of Saints, is the Mystical Body of Christ. The head of the Church is Christ’s representative on earth.
Concerning the neck question, I’ve seen other analogies discussed; however, for this purpose, concerning Church, the neck is part of the Body.
There are no official church teachings on the matter of who is the “neck”?
Not to my knowledge, although I recall some using it in an analogy.
Christ as Head, the Church, the Communion of Saints, the Body of Christ are the big and important teachings.
Catholics and Orthodox agree on far more despite their schism than Lutheran and Baptists do.
There is only one Peter.
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