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Vatican's pact with Islam
YNet ^ | 10/2/'11 | Giulio Meotti

Posted on 10/02/2011 8:22:30 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator

Benedict XVI recently visited again his native Germany, but this time with a different agenda. Five years later, the Vatican adopted a pro-Islam course and has capitulated to fundamentalists. In a recent book written by German journalist Peter Sewald, Pope Ratzinger expressed “regrets” about the Regensburg lecture. The Vatican’s Secretary of State, Tarcisio Bertone, buried the Pope's lesson about Islam as “an archaeological relic.”

“The default positions vis-à-vis militant Islam are now unhappily reminiscent of Vatican diplomacy’s default positions vis-à-vis communism during the last 25 years of the Cold War,” writes George Weigel, a leading US writer about the Vatican. The Vatican’s new agenda seeks “to reach political accommodations with Islamic states and foreswear forceful public condemnation of Islamist and jihadist ideology.”

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Islam; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: benedictxvi; catholic; compromise; islam; pope; reversal; vatican
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Before anyone demands my head, please note the following:

These two paragraphs are merely an excerpt. The main point of the article, as I understand it, is that Pope Benedict XVI was originally a great voice against islam and jihad, but that after the attacks showered down on his head after his Regensburg address he has backpedaled. So please note this is not merely a "the evil Vatican has always supported islam" article but rather one lamenting its caving to islamic pressure.

1 posted on 10/02/2011 8:22:36 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
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To: Zionist Conspirator
“The default positions vis-à-vis militant Islam are now unhappily reminiscent of Vatican diplomacy’s default positions vis-à-vis communism during the last 25 years of the Cold War,” writes George Weigel, a leading US writer about the Vatican. The Vatican’s new agenda seeks “to reach political accommodations with Islamic states and foreswear forceful public condemnation of Islamist and jihadist ideology.”

The main point of the article, as I understand it, is that Pope Benedict XVI was originally a great voice against islam and jihad, but that after the attacks showered down on his head after his Regensburg address he has backpedaled.

Ping for later

2 posted on 10/02/2011 8:30:05 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

The koolaids been mixed a little too strongly, it seems.


3 posted on 10/02/2011 8:31:58 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: the invisib1e hand

lol!


4 posted on 10/02/2011 8:45:30 AM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

It has nothing to do with a “pact”.

This is about the world caving to a politically correct approach to dealing with Islam.

They fear that any condemnation of ISLAMIC TERROR, my be perceived of a judgement on Islam.

The world must demand that ISLAM condemn terror, as a condition of membership among civilized religions.


5 posted on 10/02/2011 8:45:30 AM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Unless you call Charles Martel's rout of the moors in Spain in the 700's as one of the crusades (which, of course, you shouldn't) the muslims prevailed in every one of the crusades.

Interesting fact, Charles Martel was Charlemagne's grandfather.

6 posted on 10/02/2011 8:50:54 AM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush
The Christians won the 1st Crusade and held Jerusalem for a pretty good while.
From then on it was Muslim determination and European fecklessness--which continues in the region to this day.
7 posted on 10/02/2011 8:59:04 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("The Centurions of FR are all just and all merciful--if you get the zot you deserve the zot.")
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To: Zionist Conspirator
It’s an ethnic cleansing of monumental proportions that makes it clear why the Vatican’s submission to political Islam, along with its religious anti-Israel stance, will be remembered as one of the greatest moral failings of the 21st Century.

Excellent article !

Giulio Meotti is suggesting that the Roman
"church" is facilitating the Global Islamic
Caliphate.


8 posted on 10/02/2011 9:01:20 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
Bookmark for later. Because right now I am shocked SHOCKED that the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH is facilitating the Global Islamic Caliphate.

Watch for incoming, Uri'el. The RCCs don't like their vatican secrets being exposed, the truth is too difficult to face, you know...

9 posted on 10/02/2011 9:11:51 AM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: smvoice

10 posted on 10/02/2011 9:17:52 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Maybe if more persons and institutions, including the Vatican could learn from this cat in whose video went bigtime viral this weekend on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stXxpuLuVBg

Just to say a two-lettered word called “NO!”


11 posted on 10/02/2011 9:21:20 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Yes, let’s distort and exaggerate in order to provide fodder to the anti RCC bigots.. rather than unite against Islam.


12 posted on 10/02/2011 9:25:41 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: StolarStorm

The sad reality is that it will be the ordinary folks that will have to do the standing up and fighting against Islamofacism.


13 posted on 10/02/2011 9:29:42 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
On September 12th, 2006, Joseph Ratzinger claimed that the god of the Muslims is both transcendental and unreasonable and he severely condemned jihad and the use of violence in the name of Koran. It was the only public event in which a Pope told the truth about some aspects of Islamic religion.

Sentences like the second one I am quoting make me skeptical of the rest of the article.

14 posted on 10/02/2011 9:34:49 AM PDT by WPaCon
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To: Natural Law

Think you might be interested.


15 posted on 10/02/2011 9:37:10 AM PDT by WPaCon
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To: StolarStorm
Yes, let’s distort and exaggerate in order to provide fodder to the anti RCC bigots.. rather than unite against Islam.

::Sigh:: Please go back and read my own comments.

16 posted on 10/02/2011 9:46:13 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: WPaCon
This is the most vocal pope in modern history, regarding the dangers of Islam, .... and he's being slammed. Amazing. Backpedaling? please, since there are Christians living in Islam nations... the church has to have some discretion in order to protect them.

As with anything, what is done behind the scenes in more important. No pope could make the statements he has made and be oblivious to the evil that is Islam. But like I said, the anti-RCC bigots will twist anything in order to fit their agenda.

How about we all unite to confront the death cult (Islam), defeat it, and then you all can go back to be bashing the Catholic church???
17 posted on 10/02/2011 9:50:19 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Sorry, I was targeting the obviously bigoted author of the article and a few other posters. Change the religions and names, and you could get an article like this from neo nazi web sites.


18 posted on 10/02/2011 9:53:30 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I solved the problem last week while sipping a martini in front of my computer.

It wouldn’t occur to me that this couldn’t be fixed by a good dose of nattering and maybe a visit to a local supermarket and boycotting humus for a week or so.

I even went as far as sending a donation (for $10.99) to a charity in Paki.

I say get out the swords and tell those Muzzies off. Damn the consequences! We did it before and we can do it again.
Might makes right. Full speed and don’t spare the topedos!

*and if you can’t tell that’s sarcasm....

Here are some of this years efforts by Benedict and the catholic church:

“Dialogue frozen between the Vatican & Islamic University of Al-Azhar”
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Al-Azhar-against-the-Vatican:-politics-and-pettiness-20562.html

The dialogue is frozen because of this:

“MESSAGE OF HIS HOLINESS
POPE BENEDICT XVI
FOR THE CELEBRATION OF THE
WORLD DAY OF PEACE

1 JANUARY 2011
RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, THE PATH TO PEACE

....”At present, Christians are the religious group which suffers most from persecution on account of its faith. Many Christians experience daily affronts and often live in fear because of their pursuit of truth, their faith in Jesus Christ and their heartfelt plea for respect for religious freedom. This situation is unacceptable, since it represents an insult to God and to human dignity; furthermore, it is a threat to security and peace, and an obstacle to the achievement of authentic and integral human development.[1]”...
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/messages/peace/documents/hf_ben-xvi_mes_20101208_xliv-world-day-peace_en.html

“Pakistani Muslims protested the part of Pope Benedict’s State of the World address where he says the blasphemy law ought to be repealed. Well, Pakistan’s Muslims don’t think it’s wise.”

http://communio.stblogs.org/2011/01/pakistani-muslims-protest-pope.html

“Policeman shoots 4 Christians in Egypt, shouting Allah is great
By Paul Zalonski on January 12, 2011 9:39 PM | Permalink | Comments (0)
The online magazine Catholic Culture (here below) carried this story today, which ran yesterday in the AFP, about a Muslim policeman killing Christian women when tensions are already running following the killing of Christians in a church. More sadness for humanity. It is also incredibly sad that the Egyptian Ambassador to the Holy See has stated that the view that Christians are not persecuted. Can you believe it??? The Ambassador’s head is in the sand.

Less than two weeks after a church bombing in Alexandria left 21 Coptic Christians dead, an off-duty policeman shot four Christians on a train, killing a 71-year-old man. A fifth person was also wounded.
“This lunatic went up and down the coach looking for Christians,” said Coptic Orthodox Bishop Morcos of Shobra El-Kheima, who had spoken with witnesses to the shooting. “Seeing a group of girls and women who were not wearing the [Islamic’ veil, he took them for Christians and fired, shouting Allahu Akbar [Allah is great].”

The new attack on Christians came just after the Egyptian government announced that it was recalling its ambassador from the Holy See, in a protest against the Pope’s statement that the country must do more to protect Christians. Before returning to Cairo the ambassador, Lamia Aly Hamada Mekhemar, met with Archbishop Dominique Mamberti, the Vatican’s Secretary for Relations with States.

A Vatican statement after the meeting said that the Egyptian envoy “described the concerns of her government at this present difficult time.” The statement indicated that Archbishop Mamberti “gave assurances that the it also fully shares the Egyptian government’s concern to avoid the escalation of religiously motivated conflict and tensions, and appreciates the efforts being made to that end.”

http://communio.stblogs.org/2011/01/policeman-shoots-4-christians.html#more

Why don’t you armchair missionaries go to the Muslim world and just tell them to make nice and convert.

Besides, reading what ONE journalist believes and interprets instead of actually reading what is news and information is just worthy of DU and every liberal outlet.

But that would not stand in the way of good bashing where the authority of the church is not recognized by any of you anyway.

Dealing with Islam is not in any way simple.

It is only simpletons who think it is.


19 posted on 10/02/2011 9:54:41 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: StolarStorm
How about we all unite to confront the death cult (Islam), defeat it, and then you all can go back to be bashing the Catholic church???

If you were to read YHvH's WORD,
you would see the rise of the Evil One's
religion in the end of days.

The good news is that the followers
of YHvH win and rule and reign forever.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
20 posted on 10/02/2011 9:57:59 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

This is NOT an excellent article. Rather, it is coupled with half-truths. BXVI continues to pound the theme of faith and reason. Islam does not allow for intellectual inquiry into the foundations of its belief. He hammers home the theme that violence in the name of God is heresy. The Church must be careful to not say things that poor and defenseless Catholics and Christians living in fear in Islamic states from Indonesia to Pakistan to Egypt will be murdered by a barbaric religion.


21 posted on 10/02/2011 10:06:54 AM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
When the Pope criticizes Islam, Muslims murder Catholics in Muslim countries.

The Pope has now realized that a serious discussion means not debate, but blood - and like most people, he does not want to provide maniacs an excuse to murder the innocent.

22 posted on 10/02/2011 10:08:59 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Steelfish
See #20

23 posted on 10/02/2011 10:15:18 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Well, it looks like this Pope isn’t going to call for a new crusade any time soon. I wonder how many more “infidels” have to be slaughtered by the “musselmen” before the west grows a pair.

I am a fallen Catholic and I fall further every day.The church and my government have morphed into something to be reviled rather than revered and I’ve turned my face from them.


24 posted on 10/02/2011 10:18:39 AM PDT by WePledge (Ich werde fur immer ein Hollenhund werden. Semper Fidelis)
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To: wideawake
Yes, that is exactly what "Pope" Peter would have done. When he was met with opposition of the cruelest kind, I remember him saying "what we need here is a serious discussion so the innocent are not murdered. Perhaps I should not arouse the anger of the offenders lest I provoke them. I'll just remain silent and hope for a resolution."

FEH. We are told in God's Word that we would suffer for Christ. Anyone who is saved knows this and knows this is what can and will happen. It is a price we are willing to pay for Him and His finished work for us. To live is Christ and to die is gain.

This is a spiritual battle. And calls for those, ESPECIALLY IN POWER, to STAND and fight the good fight. NOT tiptoe away and hope for the best.

25 posted on 10/02/2011 10:28:20 AM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: smvoice

You and the rest of the armchair crusaders should feel free to go to Paki and live your words.


26 posted on 10/02/2011 10:30:21 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: smvoice

“FEH. We are told in God’s Word that we would suffer for Christ. Anyone who is saved knows this...”

And are you standing in Cairo in front of the Church and Christian community that was burned Friday?

Are you taking up arms defending them?

Where are in the Muslim world that you speak so authoritatively on dying for Christ?


27 posted on 10/02/2011 10:30:38 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: OpusatFR; StolarStorm

Some “enduring to the end” tribulation saints you appear to be! Folding like a cheap umbrella. Under the guise of “peace, peace”. It’s fear, not “peace” that compels some. And it shows.


28 posted on 10/02/2011 10:35:12 AM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: smvoice

No, you have no clue about how to engage the enemy so you win. You strike when and where you can win. For now, behind the scenes efforts are worth more than overt statements. But please, feel free to make empty gestures that will do nothing.... go to Pakistan and CRUSADE. Do it. Your sacrifice will do NOTHING to defeat the enemy, but since you seem to think pointless gestures are worthwhile, YOU go ahead.


29 posted on 10/02/2011 10:37:55 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: smvoice

And are you standing in Cairo in front of the Church and Christian community that was burned Friday?

Are you taking up arms defending them?

Where are in the Muslim world that you speak so authoritatively on dying for Christ?

SMVOICE: “FEH. We are told in God’s Word that we would suffer for Christ. Anyone who is saved knows this and knows this is what can and will happen. It is a price we are willing to pay for Him and His finished work for us. To live is Christ and to die is gain.”

Gosh, being lectured by an comfychair missionary is like being lectured by Michelle Obama in Target.


30 posted on 10/02/2011 10:42:16 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: StolarStorm
I only skimmed the rest of the article, because it lost all credibility when it said It was the only public event in which a Pope told the truth about some aspects of Islamic religion.

Because, you know, all those medieval popes just loved Islam, especially Urban II.

31 posted on 10/02/2011 10:42:53 AM PDT by WPaCon
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To: StolarStorm

Hey, I’ve got news for you. You’re going to face them at SOME point anyway. Cower in fear or stand and fight the good fight. I know what God’s Word says.


32 posted on 10/02/2011 10:43:11 AM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: OpusatFR

You either trust God’s Word or you don’t. Or you put your trust in an institution that tells you what to trust. And feel REAL arm-chair religion comfy.


33 posted on 10/02/2011 10:47:21 AM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: smvoice

Then, by all means, join up with your fellows and act on your words. Set an example for me and others. Please report back once you get to the middle east. Heck, you don’t even have to take up arms. Transport some bibles to Saudi and try to win souls for Christ. (oh wait, the Catholic church does DO THAT behind the scenes... so you can join those brave folks).


34 posted on 10/02/2011 10:47:34 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: WPaCon
"Think you might be interested."

Not enough to engage in the discussion. The accusations are so profoundly false that they represent the occasion of sin. The posters involved are so totally lacking in credibility that permitting them to spew reinforces our case.

In spite of many, many, many refutations those whose minds and souls are bent continue to lie and will continue to do so in spite of anything you or I post. In other words, when you see something like this on the sidewalk it is best to not step in it.

35 posted on 10/02/2011 10:52:38 AM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: smvoice

“And feel REAL arm-chair religion comfy.”

YOU are the one on this board proclaiming dying for Christ while you sit in your missionary comfychair, boss of Coke and the football games enjoying your nice comfy indoor heat and plumbing.

Not me.


36 posted on 10/02/2011 10:52:56 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: OpusatFR
...I know not you...your leader is doing all the "standing and fighting" for Christ. Not willing to compromise God's Word for a little peace and safety. Standing firm in the Word, as Christ's "vicar" on earth. Knowing that God is faithful and knowing that we have not been given the spirit of fear, but one of power and might.

Yes, your leader exhibits all that long line of uninterrupted apostolic successors exhibited, with the exception of Peter: the ability to work silently behind the scenes to create the Catholic Kingdom of God on earth. Blessings to you. smvoice

37 posted on 10/02/2011 11:01:29 AM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: Natural Law

Agreed.


38 posted on 10/02/2011 11:03:36 AM PDT by WPaCon
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To: WPaCon

Agreed.


39 posted on 10/02/2011 11:05:04 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: OpusatFR
Why don’t you armchair missionaries go to the Muslim world and just tell them to make nice and convert. Besides, reading what ONE journalist believes and interprets instead of actually reading what is news and information is just worthy of DU and every liberal outlet.

But that would not stand in the way of good bashing where the authority of the church is not recognized by any of you anyway.

Dealing with Islam is not in any way simple.

It is only simpletons who think it is.

Bless you ,my friend! Well said and you did an excellent job posting the links to back it up!

40 posted on 10/02/2011 12:15:57 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: wideawake

But NOW is the time to STAND UP and TELL THE TRUTH what needs to be said. The SAD REALITY is that Muslims WILL KILL CHRISTIANS at the drop of a hot. We are not dealing with a very reasonable religion but rather a violent cult.


41 posted on 10/02/2011 12:23:22 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: smvoice

AMEN to that.


42 posted on 10/02/2011 12:25:05 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: smvoice
I find it ironic that Non-Roman "church"
members have to PROVE and provide CITATIONS.

But members of the Roman "church" merely
have to assert something with out proof.and
all the minions fall in line in Blind belief.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

43 posted on 10/02/2011 12:50:16 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: StolarStorm; smvoice

When did God tell you what His call for smvoice is? Maybe more correctly it should be asked, when did you usurp God’s authority and presume to tell smvoice what he should be doing?


44 posted on 10/02/2011 1:28:59 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
Strange but true, Uri’el. And it's not a rare occurrence. It IS the way of the Roman “church”. Or so it seems around here.
45 posted on 10/02/2011 1:30:50 PM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012; smvoice
>> all the minions fall in line in Blind belief.<<

They have been indoctrinated and trained from infancy to follow an earthly organization. They have the “other Christ” whom they follow without question. No Bereans they.

46 posted on 10/02/2011 1:34:27 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

LOL. Didn’t you read where he was telling US what to do? Never mind. It’s pointless to discuss anything with bigots. Your (and the other’s) hatred and bigotry blinds you.


47 posted on 10/02/2011 1:37:13 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: Zionist Conspirator

FYI, the bigots you provided fodder to with this thread probably hate Jews too. Doubt they will admit it.


48 posted on 10/02/2011 1:38:43 PM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: CynicalBear
I especially like the way they always can be counted on to change the subject. From WHAT THEIR "FEARLESS LEADER" is doing, or NOT doing, to what WE are doing.

UriA'el, this post is for you, too, I just can't get your name to register on my post-to screen. Sorry!

49 posted on 10/02/2011 1:47:41 PM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: smvoice
We are told in God's Word that we would suffer for Christ.

And we are not told that we should put others through suffering - which is the entire point of this discussion.

The Pope is not afraid of being martyred - he is afraid that his words will occasion the murder of innocents.

And lighten up on the heretical buzzwords.

I'm Catholic, so no sale.

50 posted on 10/02/2011 1:58:39 PM PDT by wideawake
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