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'Jesus Appeared on My Nintendo,' Maryland Woman Claims
Christian Post ^ | September 28, 2011 | Luiza Oleszczuk

Posted on 10/03/2011 7:37:47 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

A 24-year-old woman from Maryland claims the Savior has appeared on the Nintendo set she bought on eBay.

Brittany Wampler spotted the image of Jesus Christ on top of one of the two newly purchased Nintendo sets she received from an eBbay seller, she told Kotaku, an online publication covering the gaming industry.

"We were inspecting it for cracks/damage and when we turned it just right into the light, the image showed up," she told Kotaku. "Our reaction was mainly curiousity [sic] at first. Then as we looked at it closer and ruled out what it couldn't be, we began to get excited about it."

The image, which Wampler sent to Kotaku at their request, appears to show a blurred human face with long hair and a short beard.

Wampler reportedly dismissed the possibility that the image had to do with a form of supernatural intervention. However, she specified that the design was a part of the plastic covering, not residue. She also assured the publication that she did not create the image, or Photoshop the photo. She said she wasn’t sure about the exact origin of the image.

"I was raised religious, but I haven't made up my mind really," she told Kotaku.

When pressured to answer if she believed that the image might be a form of Jesus’ apparition, she reportedly said that she believes the possibility.

Instances when an image of a divine figure seems to appear somewhere in everyday life tend to evoke a lot of excitement - both among believers and non-believers.

Such cases of "apparitions" touching the mundane life of mortals happen surprisingly often.

CP reported earlier this months that a French photographer caught an image of a “divine figure” with a halo on his camera when he was climbing in the mountains. In this case, the photographer admitted that, despite the unique, divine feel of the event, he believes the phenomenon could probably be explained scientifically.

In July, a couple from South Carolina reported seeing the face of Jesus Christ on a Walmart receipt.

Other sources have also reported cases in which Jesus’ face reportedly appeared on objects like a frying pan, tree trunk or a piece of toast.


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To: montyspython

The grace of God to save me from my sins by the finished work of Jesus Christ would be no reason to be “bothered”. It is something to be shouted. To be lost and then found, to be blind and now see the love of God toward us while we were yet sinners? Hardly something someone would be bothered by when asked the question if he/she is a Christian.


51 posted on 10/03/2011 10:33:22 AM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: smvoice

I know what it means to be Christian, you really took one simple little question and went down the “cuckoo for coco puffs” road.

Never mind.


52 posted on 10/03/2011 10:40:14 AM PDT by montyspython (This thread needs more cowbell)
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To: montyspython

I thought so..


53 posted on 10/03/2011 11:01:36 AM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: Religion Moderator; smvoice

Thanks — have you had a look at post 42? Now that is “making it personal”


54 posted on 10/03/2011 12:02:55 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: montyspython

True as one individual post, yet a consistent posting of that type isn’t...


55 posted on 10/03/2011 12:03:47 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: montyspython; smvoice
Yes, I am Christian. See how simple an answer can be?

Exactly. It's a simple question for you or me, monty as Christians to answer. However for non-Christians...

56 posted on 10/03/2011 12:10:53 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Yes, you would think an intelligent person would realize their constant stream of threads make them and FR look bad.

Is it ignorance or done intentionally? I guess it doesn’t really matter in the end.


57 posted on 10/03/2011 12:11:37 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Cronos; smvoice; Religion Moderator

You know, some people—no one here on FR, of course, but some people—might think that a distinction between (a) insulting through indirection, and (b) insulting directly, is either moronic or hypocritical. No one on FR would think such a thing, of course. Here on FR it is abundantly clear that a statement such as, “Cannibalism is part of the Catholic faith” is in *no* way insulting toward any Catholic, because no specific person is directly indicated.

Here it is obvious that a statement such as, “Do you know, a person could go mad, believing there is a conspiracy behind every corner... “They’re out to get me”...famous last words of a nut.” is in *no* way a statement that the person to whom the poster is speaking (a) is insane, (b) believes that there is a conspiracy behind (sic) every corner, (c) suffers from delusions of persecution (“They’re out to get me”), and (d) is a “nut;” which is to say, insane (again).

Everyone else in the known universe would take such a statement in exactly that way, but here on FR we know differently; we know that there is a clear distinction between insulting a person indirectly like that and directly insulting them, for instance by using the words, “you are (such and such).” The first type of insult is perfectly acceptable, while the second constitutes “making it personal.” Some people—no one here on FR, of course, but some people—might say something stupid like, “Since the person is equally insulted in either case, what’s the difference?” We know better, of course. We know that the indirect insult is perfectly civil.

Further, despite the fact that prefacing a statement with words such as “you know,” or “do you know,” is not an inquiry regarding the listener’s knowledge, but is rather shorthand for, “Are you aware of the fact(s) that…”, at least in the English language as spoken on planet Earth, here on FR those words indicate that whatever follows is a question—even when it is in the form of a statement. Of course, no one on FR would dream of pointing those things out, because to do so might give rise to the totally mistaken impression that the speaker is implying that the moderators are either biased or stupid, or both, and we all know that can’t be true.

Yes, it is a great comfort to know that, here on FR, anyone can say anything they like about us so long as they have their copy of “Quotes of Oscar Wilde” ready to hand, and so long as they are able to couch their insults as indirections that *seem* to be directed at no specific person (wink wink, nudge nudge). It is a great comfort to know that however obvious it may be that those indirections are in fact insults directed at a specific poster, the mask will remain in place, and no sanctions will be levied.

Some people—no one here on FR, of course—might go so far as to think, mistakenly and maliciously, that the level of the posts and the intelligence of the posters have declined markedly over the past ten years (What kind of loon would think that, eh?), and might—astounding as it may be, and remember that no one here on FR would think such a thing—think that the completely hypothetical and fictional style of moderating not described above was a major factor in that completely imaginary flight of those who make the totally unreasonable request of intellectual honesty in moderation.

Some people, eh?


58 posted on 10/03/2011 1:36:15 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I’m confused. In Sunday School we sang a song that stated “Zaccheus was a wii little man and a wii little man was he”


59 posted on 10/03/2011 1:38:42 PM PDT by will of the people
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To: dsc; Cronos; Religion Moderator
And are you aware that some people-no one here on FR, of course, but some people-purposely try to begin a flaim bait war by (a)insulting directly by calling someone a "troll" and "a DU member", and (b)insulting through indirection. And then running to the Religion Moderator to register a complaint when that person answers their nonsense? Can you believe that? It seems a daily game to some. Go onto a post,pull a plug on an insult grenade, throw it, and run to someone in charge, complaining that the post is full of grenades. Amazing, I know, that some would be so juvenile. But it may be all they have in life. No debate to speak of, just throwing grenades.

Some people, eh?

60 posted on 10/03/2011 2:09:18 PM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: dsc; Religion Moderator

Thank you dcs. That’s one of the best posts I’ve ever seen on the Religion Forum. Its sums up the silliness so well, I’ve copied and pasted it to my profile page for posterity.


61 posted on 10/03/2011 3:04:00 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM ("Verbal engineering always precedes social engineering.")
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To: dsc

Thank you, dsc.

Very good and thoughtful post.


62 posted on 10/03/2011 3:23:33 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Alex Murphy
Now, back to the SUBJECT of your thread, Alex.

"In July, a couple from South Carolina reported seeing the face of Jesus Christ on a Walmart receipt."

I just love a good "miracles, signs, wonders, and visions" story. Have you ever been to the People of Walmart website? I think that's what it's called. Full of potential "visions of Jesus on my chicken biscuit" people.

63 posted on 10/03/2011 3:32:36 PM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: dsc

Nailed it, DSC...


64 posted on 10/03/2011 5:04:10 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: dsc
Some people—no one here on FR, of course—might go so far as to think, mistakenly and maliciously, that the level of the posts and the intelligence of the posters have declined markedly over the past ten years (What kind of loon would think that, eh?), and might—astounding as it may be, and remember that no one here on FR would think such a thing—think that the completely hypothetical and fictional style of moderating not described above was a major factor in that completely imaginary flight of those who make the totally unreasonable request of intellectual honesty in moderation.

And don't let the imaginary door hit them on their hypothetical way out.

65 posted on 10/03/2011 5:34:34 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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To: Alex Murphy

Dueling tag lines...


66 posted on 10/03/2011 6:16:42 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: dsc

Thanks, FRiend!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58


67 posted on 10/03/2011 9:34:48 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: montyspython

btw, a Mormon would answer as post 51. Remember that to them there was no Resurrection.


68 posted on 10/03/2011 10:41:03 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: dsc; Cronos; smvoice; Religion Moderator

FWIW I view the problem differently. One purpose of rules is, so to speak, to keep bloodshed down to a minimum.

Rules cannot always inculcate or ensure virtue any more than the rules of football can make people gentle and ensure a pain-free game.

And it is part of our fallenness that when we see rules we tend to test their limits. How many of us, seeing a “55 MPH” sign, think it means, “Keep it under 60 MPH.”

So the rules of the forum will not be used as encouragements to charity and gentleness but as outer limits to permissible verbal cruelty. If we don’t like the way our antagonists express themselves, even when they comply with the rules, we can appeal to them and to our Lord. But I don’t see how we can expect of anyone who says “simul justus et peccator” that he stop being a sinner.

We Catholics have a burden not shared by Protestants, to bear all things,to endure all things, and when we see gross injustice from our antagonists to remember that we also are unjust.

This is not some treacly piety and I make absolutely no claim whatsoever to any success in following my own opinion.

Yeah, they’re sinners. So are we. Yeah, they sometimes seem to set out to cause pain. Even if one day with a straight face I could claim to be innocent of that sin, I still hope I would remember the pains of St. Francis and the pains of our Lord and TRY to accept this as part of the gentle yoke which I pretend to shoulder willingly.

So, yeah, it’s irritating. Were we ever told that it would be otherwise?


69 posted on 10/04/2011 4:26:45 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: dsc

Thanks dsc...well said.


70 posted on 10/04/2011 4:35:17 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I guess I don’t get the issue. Why shouldn’t Jesus appear on a Nintendo? He appeared as a human. After that could anything be more humiliating, unworthy, or inappropriate of the Son of God?

As to recognizing such an apparition or vision, as to Peter at Caesaria Philippi so also to us: to recognize the Lord is an operation of the Holy Spirit.

And if this event, whatever it is, leads this person to increased piety and devotion, then what’s the problem?

Just as no one is required to believe that this is meaningful so also no one is required to scoff. I certainly am not going to tell my Lord to whom and how he may appear.


71 posted on 10/04/2011 4:40:33 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: Mad Dawg
I guess I don’t get the issue. Why shouldn’t Jesus appear on a Nintendo?....Just as no one is required to believe that this is meaningful so also no one is required to scoff. I certainly am not going to tell my Lord to whom and how he may appear.

Who said there was an issue? Who made it a requirement to react one way or another? Not I. Maybe Catholics should be posting these apparitions as "Devotional" threads, if they're so concerned about them being disrespected.

72 posted on 10/04/2011 5:47:58 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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To: Mad Dawg

Sometimes the problem isn’t “the rules,” its their erratic pattern of application. Hypothetically speaking, of course.


73 posted on 10/04/2011 5:54:53 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: Alex Murphy
Who said there was an issue? Who made it a requirement to react one way or another? Not I.

LOL!

74 posted on 10/04/2011 6:08:46 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: dsc; Religion Moderator; Amityschild; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Lera; marbren; navygal; ...


THANKS THANKS THANKS.

When RC folks post things that are absolutely contrarian nonsense, 180 degrees from the truth, spirit and heart of a matter . . .

it helps us Proddys understand better how Roman Catholics can become so addicted to the Maryolatry stuff.

The current Rel Mod brought sanity and massively greater civility and plain WORKABLENESS to the Rel Forum with his categories, policies and definitions of what was kosher and what was not.

PRAISE GOD FOR SUCH ANOINTED WISDOM--IT WAS LONG NEEDED.

Of course we realize that such ANOINTED WISDOM on the part of the Rel Mod

does NOT prevent some RC's from their !!!CONTROL!!! freak full court press efforts to !FORCE! FR into becoming an arm of the Vatican directly controlled from a cubicle in the Pope's offices--strictly complying with all their petty sensibilities and thin-skinned preferences. Perhaps it's long overdue for the lot of them to stay off the open threads.

It does, however, make such efforts a bit more absurd and laughable.

However, if some RC is now proclaiming himself/herself to be the new Solomon for the planet--or perhaps merely bucking for the Rel Mod position--by all means, let JimRob know. Perhaps he'll be impressed enough to bow and scrape before such loftiness.

/sarc
75 posted on 10/04/2011 7:25:37 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Cronos; smvoice

Have you seen any black helicopters lately?


76 posted on 10/04/2011 7:28:16 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Mad Dawg
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

!ABSOLUTELY INDEED!

PRAISE GOD!

A wonderfully Biblical,
ACCURATE,
and anointed
Roman Catholic response!
THANKS, BRO.

77 posted on 10/04/2011 7:35:04 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Mad Dawg; smvoice
We Catholics have a burden not shared by Protestants, to bear all things,to endure all things, and when we see gross injustice from our antagonists to remember that we also are unjust.

And you're sure of this how?

That's quite an assumption to make about others. Your basis for it is....______________?

78 posted on 10/04/2011 7:36:28 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

INDEED.

LOL.


79 posted on 10/04/2011 7:41:19 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: smvoice

Absolutely INDEED.

Very well put.


80 posted on 10/04/2011 7:42:38 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Yawn.


81 posted on 10/04/2011 8:02:07 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: Mad Dawg

“One purpose of rules is, so to speak, to keep bloodshed down to a minimum. And it is part of our fallenness that when we see rules we tend to test their limits. How many of us, seeing a “55 MPH” sign, think it means, “Keep it under 60 MPH.”

The point that I was absolutely not trying to make was that Catholics never go above 5 mph in this 55 mph zone and are still ticketed and jailed, while Protestants are allowed to go 190 mph with impunity. It is of course not true that some Protestants and the moderator (but I repeat myself) then turn around and lie truth out of Texas in denying this bias, and certainly no one on FR would ever say such a thing.


82 posted on 10/04/2011 8:14:09 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: metmom
I was basing what I said on what so many who argue against us say about works, about Col 1:24 and Phil 2:12b.

Sometimes I fear your side won't take yes for an answer. You say we are hag-ridden by our thought that works are involved with salvation. So I appeal to my brethren reminding them that we are to do the work of earnestly desiring the higher gifts (I Cor 12 -- and earlier I was referring to 1 Cor 13), and I get smacked?

I guess this is part of the "all things" I am urged to bear and endure.

83 posted on 10/04/2011 8:14:47 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: Mad Dawg; Quix

Thank you both for your support.


84 posted on 10/04/2011 8:55:50 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: dsc
The point that I was absolutely not trying to make was that Catholics never go above 5 mph in this 55 mph zone and are still ticketed and jailed, while Protestants are allowed to go 190 mph with impunity. It is of course not true that some Protestants and the moderator (but I repeat myself) then turn around and lie truth out of Texas in denying this bias, and certainly no one on FR would ever say such a thing.

Thirsty?

Success Is Sweet!

85 posted on 10/04/2011 9:02:12 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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To: Mad Dawg; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ..
Nobody is arguing against a Christian doing works.

Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

God has prepared good works in advance for us to do. One pastor went as far as to say that those works can be so specific that if I don't do what God prepared for me to do, then they aren't going to get done, as nobody else can or will do them.

That is a weighty responsibility.

Our contention is that works don't save anyone, but rather that they are the evidence to the world that saving faith has been exercised and they are used to witness to the power of God to change a life, and bring others into the kingdom as we minister to them.

They simply do not count towards procuring our salvation because works do not make one holy or sinless, nor do they pay off the sin we commit. The only way sin can be appropriately dealt with is by forgiveness, not counting it against us.

86 posted on 10/04/2011 9:04:49 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Religion Moderator

“Thank you both for your support.”

Support against what? By your standard, no one has said anything unfavorable about you.


87 posted on 10/04/2011 9:18:28 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Religion Moderator

You’re quite welcome.

It’s well earned.

Besides, I’m just calling a spade a spade, as usual.


88 posted on 10/04/2011 10:08:21 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Alex Murphy

There’s a great deal of insanity in the world.


89 posted on 10/04/2011 11:01:35 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Cronos; Alex Murphy; Natural Law; MarkBsnr
Some more jokes to make fun of Christians, eh?

Depends how one defines Christian

Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect.

90 posted on 10/04/2011 11:29:18 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Cronos; Alex Murphy; Natural Law; MarkBsnr
Some more jokes to make fun of Christians, eh?

Depends how one defines Christian

Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect.

91 posted on 10/04/2011 11:29:33 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: montyspython; smvoice
Why is it an odd question? I asked you a simple question, so why so snarky?
Yes, I am Christian. See how simple an answer can be?

Sleeping in a garage does not make one a car... there are all manner of people that have a false Christ and a false salvation ...calling oneself a "christian" does not mean that one is a Christian

92 posted on 10/04/2011 11:33:37 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: montyspython; smvoice
Why is it an odd question? I asked you a simple question, so why so snarky?
Yes, I am Christian. See how simple an answer can be?

Sleeping in a garage does not make one a car... there are all manner of people that have a false Christ and a false salvation ...calling oneself a "christian" does not mean that one is a Christian

93 posted on 10/04/2011 11:33:50 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: count-your-change; smvoice; RnMomof7
There’s a great deal of insanity in the world.

IMO there's a great deal of humor in the world, and some of it is disguised to look like insanity. IMO the problem is that Christians are afraid to laugh, for fear of insulting God! IMO "getting Christians to laugh" must be the second-to-the-last thing that Christ will accomplish [i.e. right before "putting His enemies under his feet" (Psalm 110)] before the Second Coming. Me? I laugh a lot. God makes great jokes. And if God makes a joke, I expect that it's good manners for us to bust out laughing!

In Ecclesiastes 2:2, the author complains that laughter is "madness", asking "what does it accomplish?"

Psalm 2:4 tells us that God, in heaven, laughs and scoffs at the kings of this earth "in derision".

Psalm 37:13 says the Lord laughs at the wicked, for "their day is coming".

But for the faithful, Genesis 21:6 tells us that laughter is an appropriate response to God's blessings, Job 8:21 promises laughter for those afflicted by Satan, and Psalm 126:2 says laughter is a sign to unbelieving nations that God has done great things for us.

As Christians, we should learn to laugh more.

94 posted on 10/04/2011 11:39:31 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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To: Religion Moderator; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; ...

I’m not certain about the kosher qualifications of this source.

I’m convinced they are essentially correct on their major points . . . I’m just not sure of their reputation etc. Does anyone else have any input on such?

http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/nwotavistockbestkeptsecret.shtml

Interestingly, several of my PhD professors TRAINED the staff trainers at Tavistock repeatedly—both USA headquarters and the UK’s IIRC. Certainly they were liberal idiots. However, they were also top flight organizational consultants in terms of helping organizations achieve the organization’s goals better.

I hadn’t realized that Tavistock had so many evil fingers in so many evil deeds.


95 posted on 10/04/2011 1:05:35 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: metmom

I think I have a different way of looking at it.

The works ARE the salvation. They don’t cause or earn salvation.

Try this, not immediately relevant:
Suppose you knew a mother who did not weep when her child suffered. I’d tend to think there was a serious problem there. AND I’d think that for her to enter the right way would mean, among other things, tears.


96 posted on 10/04/2011 7:50:30 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!


97 posted on 10/04/2011 8:47:09 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: metmom

Not really — do you have a lot of delusions?


98 posted on 10/05/2011 12:21:31 AM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: RnMomof7; Alex Murphy; Natural Law; MarkBsnr
Depends how one defines Christian

And pretty definitely your OPC cult along with Mormons isn't Christian

Mark did an excellent analysis showing why your cult isn't Christian:

Mark, do you mind if I copy and paste your response here, it would be good for Rn's edification

Let us take the Nicene Creed and compare with the OPC's beliefs:

We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all that is, seen and unseen.

So far, the OPC is on track.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father.

Well, not really; they think of Jesus as a lesser God than the Father. The OPC says that:

Jesus is God's doorway through the wall. God appointed his Son to be the substitute for those whom he would save. Jesus loved the Father with every fiber of his being. He obeyed the Father's holy will completely. He died on Calvary's cross as the atoning sacrifice, bearing all the sins of his people. He rose again from the dead and was exalted to the place of glory at the Father's side.

For the OPC, Jesus is a lesser or messenger god to God the Father, much like Mercury was the messenger of Jupiter in the Roman Pantheon of gods. This is not Christian.

As well, The OPC says that:

Christ is, in reality, the one true worshiper.[5] Our worship is a participation in his. Further, our worship in Christ is by the Holy Spirit.

Here, the OPC says that Christ worships God the Father, and the Holy Spirit worships Christ. Not Trinitarian, but polytheist.

Through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation, he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary,

Here, they more or less agree with Christianity.

and became man.

Here, they depart from Christianity inasmuch as Christianity believes that Jesus is fully God and fully man at the same time.

The OPC says:

"The Son of Man"

Jesus affirms that he is "the Son of Man." This was his favorite self-designation. The Gospels mention his calling himself the Son of Man some eighty times. William White, Jr., explains that this title reflects Daniel 7:13, where the "Son of Man" is one to whom is given universal and eternal authority, glory, and sovereign dominion. He is one from among men to whom is given divine prerogatives. Since only God can receive such prerogatives, the Son of Man is a God-man (Daniel 10:16). Thus, the Son of Man, Jesus, descended from heaven (John 3:13) and was dependent on God, as He had nowhere to lay His head (Matt. 8:20). He exercises an authoritative and redemptive mission (John 3:14). He is the universal Lord (Matt. 28:18; cf. Dan. 7:13-14) and has total responsibility and authority for judging the world (Matt. 13:41-42; 19:28). (Theological and Grammatical Phrasebook of the Bible, p. 102 [Moody Press, 1984]. Cf. Geerhardus Vos, The Self-Disclosure of Jesus [Eerdmans, 1954].)

So when Jesus calls himself the Son of Man, he does much more than identify himself as having a human nature. He reveals himself as God incarnated as the Last Adam, the true Man, the Man of God's right hand, the Messiah, the King, the Savior, Lord, and Judge! Compare Daniel 7:9-14 and Revelation 1:12-18. It's an amazing claim.

It sure is. It affirms that the OPC believes that Jesus is a lesser God - is totally dependent upon God and therefore is not the God of Christianity, but a messenger or harbinger, much like John the Baptist was for Jesus.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

Okay in this section.

He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,

Here we come to a major parting of the ways between the OPC and Christianity. The OPC says that:

The resurrection of the dead in general, therefore, is primarily a judicial act of God."[13] Stated simply, the resurrection is not the penultimate event prior to the final judgment; the resurrection is the final judgment.

This little piece of paganism is the source for so many of the nonChristian pronouncements of OPC adherents. Can you imagine a greater departure from the Gospel message of Jesus? Resurrection is a replacement for Judgement and if you are resurrected, you will not go to hell!!!! Now, what about those going to hell? More on that later...

and his kingdom will have no end.

They do agree that Jesus will reign forever.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son.

See above. The OPC believes that Jesus worships God the Father and the Holy Spirit worships Jesus.

He has spoken through the Prophets.

The OPC really likes its Prophets - if it weren't for Paul, their theology would consist of Isaiah with a splash of Jeremiah.

We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.

Absolutely not. "Catholic" is redefined as Calvinist, and the Apostles are irrelevant since they are all long dead.

We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

The OPC touches on it in several articles on their site, blathering on, and talking around the point, rather than to it, but the final conclusion is that they do not believe that baptism is in any way connected with the forgiveness of sins.

We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

There are several articles on the OPC website which affirm the resurrection of the dead, and then speak as if it weren't there or it didn't matter. Of course, it might just be the writers' confusion over just who is going to be resurrected (prejudged to salvation) and who isn't (see above). After all if the Calvinists believe that the act of resurrection is a substitute for the Judgement of God, then nobody in hell gets Judged in the Calvinist universe, right? And nowhere in Christianity does it state anything about the resurrection of those Judged to Heaven versus the non resurrection of those Judged to hell. In Calvinism, those prejudged to hell do not get resurrected at all. Cronos, my friend, you are absolutely spot on in that the OPC on its own website brags about its nonChristian beliefs. And its followers would have us believe that it is Christian. Based on what?


99 posted on 10/05/2011 12:31:22 AM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: RnMomof7; Natural Law; MarkBsnr
Furthermore, RN, why would you give up Christianity for the absurdity of the OPC?

Just pointing out another absurdity of a Calvinist POV: God’s not satisfied with damning a person before the beginning of creation, but after the person is dead, he’d have to resurrect him and tell him, “I’m going to punish you in hell forever because you perfectly—though you had no choice—followed the plan I set out for you since before the beginning of the world, all for my good pleasure and greater glory.” That’s just perverse piling on. And again we have to ask, “Glory before whom?” If all is created by God and determined by God, then there is no other “who” before whom glory, to whatever degree, is to be manifest and no context within which glory would even have any meaning. The whole thing is nothing more than an audience of one, the sound of that one’s hands clapping. Even Zen makes more sense than that.

100 posted on 10/05/2011 12:32:16 AM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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