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I am a humble follower of Jesus Christ. (vanity)
Self ^ | 10/03/11 | 47 Samurai

Posted on 10/03/2011 10:07:33 AM PDT by 47samurai

I am a humble follower of Jesus Christ. The Word. The Creator of Heaven and earth. The Babe, born to the Virgin , Mary over 2000 years ago.


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I am a humble follower of Jesus Christ. The Word. The Creator of Heaven and earth. The Babe, born to the Virgin, Mary, over 2000 years ago. I have faith in him as the Son of God. I believe he is the only begotten of the Father, and was sent to mankind to live as a man and to show us the path back to our Father in Heaven. I believe he suffered for our sins, paying the ultimate price, and, by His Grace, we can be saved. I believe that all men sin and fall short of the glory of God, and it is through Jesus, and none other that we can partake of the glories of His Heaven. I am not perfect but I am a humble Christian, and that is enough.

I suppose in the eyes of the worlds religions that would make me a Christian, but in the eyes of some of my more dogmatic brethren, I am a heretic and only worthy of scorn, because I believe that Jesus Christ has visited man in these days and continues to guide and direct his affairs in the modern era. I believe that I can converse with God as can all of us. We are all children of God, according to the bible. I believe that God loves each and every one who reads this message, and, no matter what your system of belief is, you are loved and treasured by your Father.

I also believe we can all work together to overcome the evil in this world. PLEASE, can we all stop the bickering and fighting, and commence to work together for all of God's children.

I believe in Jesus Christ, I have accepted him as my Savior .... and I'm a Mormon. (the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints)

1 posted on 10/03/2011 10:07:39 AM PDT by 47samurai
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To: 47samurai

” humble follower of Jesus Christ. (vanity)”

Irony is pretty much lost on you, isn’t it??


2 posted on 10/03/2011 10:12:03 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: 47samurai

I’m reading the rest of it now, but regarding the first line, the word “humble” should never be used by a person unless to describe someone other than themself.


3 posted on 10/03/2011 10:12:05 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Uncle Ike

—I have faith in him as the Son of God. —

What does that mean, exactly?


4 posted on 10/03/2011 10:13:01 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf
the word “humble” should never be used by a person unless to describe someone other than themself.

Hmmm. Interesting.

5 posted on 10/03/2011 10:14:02 AM PDT by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: 47samurai

—I suppose in the eyes of the worlds religions that would make me a Christian, but in the eyes of some of my more dogmatic brethren, I am a heretic...—

Just to be clear here, I hate Mormonism but consider mormons its biggest victims, not the object of my hate, which is the belief system itself.

That said, the remarks you made prior to that statement do line up with Christian belief to a point. That point is that some of the wording is vague enough to have meanings that are definitely NOT Christian. IOW, I’d need more detail about what you mean.

And the Devil is in the details. Literally.


6 posted on 10/03/2011 10:16:07 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: 47samurai
was sent to mankind to live as a man and to show us the path back to our Father in Heaven.

I believe in a Jesus Christ who IS the path back to the Father:

"Jesus told him, 'I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." --John 14:6

7 posted on 10/03/2011 10:17:38 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: 47samurai

Well that’s great. I think it’s wonderful that you profess your Christianity....

But this is “News/Activism” how?


8 posted on 10/03/2011 10:20:02 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: 47samurai

—no matter what your system of belief is, you are loved and treasured by your Father. —

I agree with that. I’ll even add to it. If one actually accepts the blood of Jesus as savior for the remission of their sins and confesses Him as Lord of their life, they will enjoy an eternity in heaven with their Creator. Without His love and sacrifice, that offer would not be made. And we all get to make that choice personally.


9 posted on 10/03/2011 10:20:19 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: 47samurai

—because I believe that Jesus Christ has visited man in these days —

I’d disagree with you on that one. Unless you can convince me the second coming happened and I missed it.


10 posted on 10/03/2011 10:21:12 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: 47samurai

You had me until, mormon.


11 posted on 10/03/2011 10:21:43 AM PDT by freedomson (Tagline comment removed by moderator)
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To: 47samurai

John 3:16


12 posted on 10/03/2011 10:24:19 AM PDT by timetostand (Ya say ya wanna revolution -- OK!)
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To: Uncle Ike

“...Irony is pretty much lost on you, isn’t it??”

Heh heh ...


13 posted on 10/03/2011 10:24:23 AM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: Uncle Ike

Ha! Thumbs up.


14 posted on 10/03/2011 10:24:55 AM PDT by WVRockDJ (Mountaineer by birth; USMC by choice; Christian by Grace.)
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To: cuban leaf

Yes my humility does not allow me to call attention to just how humble I am


15 posted on 10/03/2011 10:25:17 AM PDT by woofie
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To: 47samurai
The Bible teaches that there is only one God in all existence. Therefore, there can be no other god or goddess as Mormonism teaches.

Isaiah 44:6: "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." 


Isaiah 44:8 "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any." 


Isaiah 43:10 "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me."

16 posted on 10/03/2011 10:27:25 AM PDT by Liberal Bob (looneyleft.com)
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To: woofie
Yes my humility does not allow me to call attention to just how humble I am

There can be only one.

17 posted on 10/03/2011 10:29:37 AM PDT by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: 47samurai

Frankly, I could give a rat’s behind what your religious beliefs are; I come to FR to read about POLITICAL news, NOT anyone’s religious views. Over the years, this constant barrage of religious postings are becoming more and more frustrating, and to those who scream, “Then why click on the post????” I answer; because scrolling through the news feed, I am accosted by so many of these threads, today seems to be my breaking point where I no longer care if I hurt your feelings by posting my thoughts!
Can’t those of you who feel the need to constantly (and oh so ‘humbly’)fight amongst yourselves over your religious views do it somewhere else? I come here less and less because of this annoyance, and I am sure I am not alone!


18 posted on 10/03/2011 10:32:42 AM PDT by Rutabega
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To: humblegunner

Its obvious you dont have enough humility to not call yourself humble


19 posted on 10/03/2011 10:32:55 AM PDT by woofie
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To: woofie

My only flaw is my humility. If I were not so humble I would be perfect.*

*Yeah, I know. You’ve heard it before. But still...


20 posted on 10/03/2011 10:33:57 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Rutabega

You can not subscribe to the Religious posts...I steer clear of em for the most part


21 posted on 10/03/2011 10:34:50 AM PDT by woofie
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To: cuban leaf

Its still good


22 posted on 10/03/2011 10:36:30 AM PDT by woofie
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23 posted on 10/03/2011 10:45:10 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: cuban leaf
Unless you can convince me the second coming happened and I missed it.

Maybe you (we) did. Maybe this is the tribulation. It sure feels like it. Just read the news.

All our money goes to our enemies. Our Leaders are all perverts.

24 posted on 10/03/2011 10:49:51 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Rutabega
Over the years, this constant barrage of religious postings are becoming more and more frustrating,

Hmmmm.... Guess you won't like heaven very much.

25 posted on 10/03/2011 10:52:23 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

Don’t worry. It will be unmistakable. It really is one of those “You’ll know it when you see it” events.


26 posted on 10/03/2011 10:56:38 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Thane_Banquo

Your post points out why the seemingly intentionally ambiguous descriptions of his faith. One can infer something he is not really saying, as in the example you give.


27 posted on 10/03/2011 11:01:38 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Uncle Ike

“Oh Lord, it’s hard to be humble...”


28 posted on 10/03/2011 11:02:02 AM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... where are you now?" signed, a little "r" republican!)
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To: 47samurai
If you are nicely going down the wrong road that has no more a bridge to cross to the other side. It would not be polite for me not to tell you but that there is another only way.

One God! True God to true God only! Seek and you will find!

John3:

3:16 For God so loved the world, as to give his Only begotten Son: that whosoever believeth in him may not perish, but may have life everlasting.

3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world, to judge the world: but that the world may be saved by him.

3:18 He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

1 John 4

4:1 Dearly beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits if they be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 4:2 By this is the spirit of God known. Every spirit which confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 4:3 And every spirit that dissolveth Jesus is not of God. And this is Antichrist, of whom you have heard that he cometh: and he is now already in the world.

29 posted on 10/03/2011 11:02:27 AM PDT by johngrace (1 John 4!- which is also declared at every sunday mass.)
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To: humblegunner

I’m humble.

Ask me.


30 posted on 10/03/2011 11:07:54 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: Rutabega
This thread has been moved to the Religion Forum where most religious articles are posted.

If you do not wish to see RF posts, do NOT use the "everything" option on the browse. Instead, browse by "News/Activism." When you log back in, the browse will reset to "everything" - so be sure to set it back to "News/Activism."

31 posted on 10/03/2011 11:10:00 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: 47samurai
I have faith in him as the Son of God.

Consubstantialis Patri? (Consubstantial with the Father?) That is a rather important point.

but in the eyes of some of my more dogmatic brethren

The LDS church doesn't have dogma? There's nothing wrong with dogma; I don't know why so many believers go along with the secular world's successful efforts to make it a perjorative word. I don't see the point of confessing a religion if there is no dogma. Otherwise you end up with the Church Of Nice Socialism.

I am a heretic

You're only a heretic if you were baptized in or professed belief in one of the traditional branches of Christianity and then rejected those beliefs. So if you grew up LDS you don't qualify. :-)

Strictly speaking, you're more likely to termed a "pagan" (if that makes you feel any better :-)) since most Christian religions do not recognize LDS baptism as valid since it is not done according to the Trinitarian formula.

32 posted on 10/03/2011 11:12:20 AM PDT by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: 47samurai
As a Mormon, you should know they teach that God the Father is a man and impregnated the virgin Mary.

You should know that they consider the Bible corrupt and untrustworthy and that the book of Mormon as the only trustworthy scriptures.

You should know that Mormon doctrine teaches that Jesus died only for the sins of Adam ("Original Sin") and for the rest he only shows the "Way of Salvation". You should know that Mormon doctrine is that in order to be saved you must believe upon Joseph Smith and Jesus. Not upon the Lord Jesus Christ alone.

Women should know that they will be Eternally Pregnant under Mormon doctrine and that their husbands have to call them to heaven or they will not be saved.

Just so you will know the Gospel is different; here is a quote from the Mormon "Journal of Discourses":

"Now, we will take the case of an individual who has broken all the laws of God and perhaps all the laws of man, and finally has shed the blood of a fellow-creature, and is condemned by the laws of man to die... A minister will come a preach to him, and tell him that all he has to do is to cast his soul on Jesus; that he has just to believe that Christ died for him ..so that he will have the fruits of righteousness and peace. ...the man [the criminal] believes this, he confesses Christ with his lips and acknowledges him with his tongue, and straightway is strung up between the heavens and the earth, and choked to death; his spirit is forced out of his body, and ushered into the presence of the eternal Father to stand before his spotless throne, and is deemed fit to dwell in the society of the pure and holy ones on high. That is according to the modern Gospel [the Bible], but not according to the ancient Gospel of Jesus Christ [Mormonism]..." LDS Prophet and President Charles W. Penrose, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 21, p. 84, 1880.

33 posted on 10/03/2011 11:13:05 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: 47samurai

It may be better for everyone if we define our salvation as something between us and God and not what others think. It is usually best to not even give the self-proclaimed judges of who is or isn’t a Christian a second thought. It usually reflects more of themselves as it does who you are.


34 posted on 10/03/2011 11:13:11 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Rutabega

Take it up with Mr Robinson. His site, and part of its purpose is religious discussion.


35 posted on 10/03/2011 11:14:16 AM PDT by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: humblegunner

Case and point, eh?


36 posted on 10/03/2011 11:15:23 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: 47samurai

I post this ONLY for 1 reason....We MUST stop this sniping and fighting and realize we have far more in common that what separates us and we MUST work together to accomplish what we ALL want to do....and if you are saying, “I will never vote for so-and-so because I don’t believe in their religious doctrines,” means we will lose in 2012. Lets pull together.


37 posted on 10/03/2011 11:15:39 AM PDT by 47samurai (The last real conservative)
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To: 47samurai

I have just one question. Is Jesus the one true and only God who created the world or is He a brother of Lucifer? It makes a difference on who your Jesus is.


38 posted on 10/03/2011 11:20:17 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Religion Moderator

Can do, thanks for the heads up. I just always click “latest posts” because it is convenient.


39 posted on 10/03/2011 11:20:53 AM PDT by Rutabega
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To: Rutabega
I stay off the religious sub forum except for rare occasions. Figure they'll all kill each other off some day and then the rest of us can get back to focusing on politics again.
40 posted on 10/03/2011 11:21:08 AM PDT by McGruff (Vetting - The process of examination and evaluation of a candidate's record.)
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To: 47samurai

41 posted on 10/03/2011 11:23:48 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: 47samurai

All Righty Then....


42 posted on 10/03/2011 11:27:40 AM PDT by b4its2late ("Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8")
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To: FourPeas

I think you mean “Case IN point’. ;->


43 posted on 10/03/2011 11:34:55 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: mnehring
It is usually best to not even give the self-proclaimed judges of who is or isn’t a Christian a second thought.

Have you read what I wrote in 33 above. Did you read LDS Prophet and President Charles W. Penrose, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 21, p. 84, 1880??

44 posted on 10/03/2011 11:37:21 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: humblegunner

—Hmmm. Interesting.—

Thank you. BTW, just to be clear for the lurker, by putting the word in quotes, I was not “using” the word. Rather, the subject of my post was the use of the word. :-P


45 posted on 10/03/2011 11:37:36 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: mnehring

Well, yeah, except when someone stands up and tries to do something like, for example, defend the KKK as a Christian organization, I feel compelled to point out that it is, in fact, not, and use scripture vs their mission statement to back it up.


46 posted on 10/03/2011 11:39:36 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

Eeek. Yep. Time for me to write “Preview is my friend” several hundred times.


47 posted on 10/03/2011 11:45:35 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: sr4402
You should know that Mormon doctrine teaches that Jesus died only for the sins of Adam ("Original Sin") and for the rest he only shows the "Way of Salvation".

I asked you in an earlier thread for a reference on that. I ask again. What is your reference that this is taught as Mormon doctrine?

48 posted on 10/03/2011 11:50:15 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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What is your reference that this is taught as Mormon doctrine?

LDS Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 10, pp. 114 - 115, 1863.

49 posted on 10/03/2011 11:55:29 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: FourPeas

—Time for me to write “Preview is my friend” several hundred times.—

Naw, just write it once and then post it a hundred times. That’s what I do.


50 posted on 10/03/2011 11:58:41 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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