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Vatican daily criticizes BBC for 'erasing Christ from history'
cna ^ | October 4, 2011

Posted on 10/04/2011 1:33:17 PM PDT by NYer

Rome, Italy, Oct 4, 2011 / 01:56 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- The Vatican daily L’Osservatore Romano has criticized a decision by the BBC television network to drop its usage of the designations “A.D.” and “B.C.”

The network plans to adopt the terms “C.E.” (Common Era) and “BCE” (Before the Common Era) when referring to historical dates, to avoid “offending” non-believers.
 
L’Osservatore Romano called the decision “senseless historical hypocrisy.” Numerous BBC hosts, as well as politicians such as the mayor of London, Boris Johnshon, have also denounced the plan as absurd.
 
In an Oct. 5 article that will be published by the Vatican newspaper, reporter Luceta Scaraffia pointed out that numerous non-Christian spokespersons have stated that they “did not feel offended in any way by the traditional dating system.”
 
“It is clear that respect for other religions is a mere pretext, because what they want is to wipe out any trace of Christianity from western culture.”
 
Scaraffia noted that this is not the first time an attempt has been made to change the historical designations. The anti-Christian French Revolution of 1789 and the 1917 Leninist revolution in Russia both included efforts to reformulate the traditional calendar to start over again in their respective years.
 
She called those efforts “horrible precedents” and said the current proposed change is a hypocritical move on the part of those who “seem to not know why the years are counted starting from a certain date.” 

“To deny the historically revolutionary role of the coming of Christ on earth, accepted even by those who do not recognize him as the Son of God, is a complete folly. And from a historical point of view, both Jews and Muslims know it.”
 
She pointed out that with the coming of Christ, mankind learned that all human beings have the same dignity, and this truth forms the basis “for all human rights, by which nations and leaders are judged.

“Until that time no one had held this principle, and Christian tradition is based upon it.”
 
The world changed after Christ, Scaraffia continued, and knowing the God who transcends nature, “made it possible for the peoples of Europe to discover the world and for scientists to begin the experimental study of nature, which led to the birth of modern science.”
 
“Why deny, then, civilization’s cultural debt to Christianity? There is nothing more anti-historical and senseless, as Jews and Muslims have clearly understood. It’s a matter of reason, not of faith.”


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1 posted on 10/04/2011 1:33:25 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

PIng!


2 posted on 10/04/2011 1:34:02 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

I refuse to use BCE or CE.


3 posted on 10/04/2011 1:37:06 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: NYer

And we would expect no less from the secularist british.


4 posted on 10/04/2011 1:37:37 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: NYer

It’s amazing that the Church is on the frontline taking flak from both the right and the left.

We have the cretinous anti-Catholics on one side and the lefty Marxhuggers on the other.


5 posted on 10/04/2011 1:39:25 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: DesScorp
I refuse to use BCE or CE.

Same here.

6 posted on 10/04/2011 1:39:41 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: NYer

It is an attempt to HIDE Jesus’ impact, and although it succeeds as a small subterfuge, someone learning the designations “BC” and “BCE” should at some point wonder why the split occurred JUST there, of course, it occurred because of Jesus.


7 posted on 10/04/2011 1:39:54 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: NYer

It is an attempt to HIDE Jesus’ impact, and although it succeeds as a small subterfuge, someone learning the designations “BC” and “BCE” should at some point wonder why the split occurred JUST there, of course, it occurred because of Jesus.


8 posted on 10/04/2011 1:40:38 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: OpusatFR

“We have the cretinous anti-Catholics on one side and the lefty Marxhuggers on the other.”

I agree with the Catholic Church when it’s right - and disagree when it’s wrong.

They couldn’t be more right on this issue.


9 posted on 10/04/2011 1:46:47 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Sans-Culotte

Always use the term Anno Domini (A.D.; in the Year of our Lord). And never use other Leftist terms like “fetus” for an unborn human child. Never ever accept their rhetoric, because ideas have consequences. Fight them with every sentence you speak, every vote you cast, every choice you make, every day of every year.


10 posted on 10/04/2011 1:54:06 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: DesScorp
I refuse to use BCE or CE.

I first saw the German equavalent of CE and BCE--uZ and vuZ (unsere Zeitrechnung, vor unserer Zeitrechnung--our calendar, before our calendar) in Kleine Enyklopaedie Weltgeschichte (The Little Encyclopedia of World History) (Leipzig, East Germany, VEB, 1971), a reference book published by a Communist publishing house that I purchased in an East Berlin bookstore.

11 posted on 10/04/2011 1:58:23 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: hellbender

A-fricken’ Men.


12 posted on 10/04/2011 2:11:53 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: NYer

This is SILLY, even from an atheist point of view....


13 posted on 10/04/2011 2:16:05 PM PDT by ToxicMich (If I catch you sleeping in this space AGAIN, I'M GONNA KICK YOUR # "?/%")
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To: NYer

What the h*ll is the “Common Era” supposed to mean?


14 posted on 10/04/2011 2:29:37 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: NYer
The network plans to adopt the terms “C.E.” (Common Christian Era) and “BCE” (Before the Common Christian Era) when referring to historical dates, to avoid “offending” non-believers.

Does anyone on this thread realize how blasphemous the use of the term:

Anno Domini (A.D.; in the Year of our Lord)

The NAME of the LORD is hidden over 7000 times in scripture;
it should be YHvH and it has been replaced and hidden.

YHvH (LORD) created the universe and our space-time continuum.

It would be blasphemous to state that the LORD was created by the Roman "church"

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
15 posted on 10/04/2011 3:01:17 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Nobody on the thread knows what you are talking about.


16 posted on 10/04/2011 3:24:26 PM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Campion

I’m thinking it’s a combination of Bible Code, numerology, kaballah and assorted random kookness.


17 posted on 10/05/2011 12:14:24 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Campion
My heart is saddened by all who believe
they can create "the G-d of the universe"
in their own image by claiming that He
did not exist before the year zero of
the Christian Era(CE).

By insisting on the use of the term Anno Domini(AD)
(Year of the LORD) they are clearly stating
that the LORD did not create the universe.

Research has shown that the term was created
in the 16th century by the Roman "church"

NAsbU Isaiah 55:6
Seek YHvH while He may be found;
Call upon Him while He is near.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

18 posted on 10/05/2011 11:14:47 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012; Campion; Dilbert San Diego; HiTech RedNeck; wardaddy; freejohn; DoughtyOne; JimSEA
Uri: By insisting on the use of the term Anno Domini(AD) (Year of the LORD) they are clearly stating that the LORD did not create the universe.

Wow, another PC anti-Christian statement.

Though don't the Jehovah's Witnesses refuse to use the term BC and AD?

19 posted on 10/05/2011 12:54:29 PM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012; Campion; Dilbert San Diego; HiTech RedNeck; wardaddy; freejohn; DoughtyOne; JimSEA; ..
Uri: By insisting on the use of the term Anno Domini(AD) (Year of the LORD) they are clearly stating that the LORD did not create the universe.

Research has shown that the term was created in the 16th century by the Roman "church"

Wow, your posts continue to gleefully be utterly wrong.

The Anno Domini was created in 525 by Dionysius Exiguus. No aliens were involved unlike your posts in the past have said.

20 posted on 10/05/2011 1:07:05 PM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: Cronos

good work!


21 posted on 10/05/2011 1:12:01 PM PDT by wardaddy (I wish palin would run.....she can win no question)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012; Cronos

You lack a bit in Trinitarian theology and object to Christians calling Christ “Lord,” but AD was actually chosen because ‘After the Virgin Birth of the Incarnate Word’ was too long...


22 posted on 10/05/2011 1:12:48 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Cronos

He should open up his copy of Bede and his “History of the English People”.

Bede uses AD. Did he live in the 16th century too?


23 posted on 10/05/2011 1:14:45 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi; UriĀ’el-2012; Campion
He should open up his copy of Bede and his “History of the English People”. Bede uses AD. Did he live in the 16th century too

dunno -- Uri's posts show a lack of any knowledge not obtained from aliens

24 posted on 10/05/2011 1:35:44 PM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: Cronos

Well of course. Bede was one of the priests executed by good Queen Bess in the 16th century after he published his book in Latin instead of the Queen’s English.

It’s a sad story.


25 posted on 10/05/2011 1:45:12 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi; UriĀ’el-2012
Well of course. Bede was one of the priests executed by good Queen Bess in the 16th century after he published his book in Latin instead of the Queen’s English.

Yes, after all as Uri's group believes -- as English was good enough for Jesus to speak in, why change it to anything else?

But no worries -- as you may notice by the 2012, that group believes that next year is bye-bye time.

26 posted on 10/05/2011 1:48:54 PM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: Cronos

The year of “our Lord” refers of course to an era that began with what Christians identify as the incarnation of God the Son as Jesus Christ. If one denies a Trinity or the Incarnation, anything one claims about Christian theology is going to be equally mixed up.


27 posted on 10/05/2011 2:13:29 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Cronos; Campion; Dilbert San Diego; HiTech RedNeck; wardaddy; freejohn; DoughtyOne; JimSEA
The Anno Domini was created in 525 by Dionysius Exiguus. No aliens were involved unlike your posts in the past have said.

So you are saying that Dionysius Exiguus
was the first to blaspheme the creator of the universe.

And OBTW no one in the Roman "church" objected to the
Blasphemy during the ensuing 1486 years?

WOW !!

Seek YHvH in His WORD.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
28 posted on 10/05/2011 2:34:15 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: hellbender

Absolutely, totally perfect. Very, very well said. We refuse to use BCE or CE, have baby showers, et cetera. We see no reason to allow those who hate life, Our Lord, freedom, or anything other than themselves to define our language.


29 posted on 10/05/2011 2:34:53 PM PDT by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: D-fendr
You lack a bit in Trinitarian theology and object to Christians calling Christ “Lord,” but AD was actually chosen because ‘After the Virgin Birth of the Incarnate Word’ was too long...

I disagree with the Pantheon of gods
and goddesses in the Roman "church".

I believe Yah'shua when he quotes
Deuteronomy 6:4 by as noted by Peter
and written down by Mark:

NAU Mark 12:29 Jesus answered,
"The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL!
YHvH OUR GOD IS ONE YHvH;
OBTW I do not object to calling Yah'shua: LORD.

Another Falsehood by the claque.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
30 posted on 10/05/2011 2:50:46 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Cronos
Uri's posts show a lack of any knowledge not obtained from aliens

You would be wise to consider the existence
of demons in the form of aliens.

Paul speaks of it in

1Ti 4:1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times
some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to
deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
31 posted on 10/05/2011 3:01:31 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

You’re quite a twister.

The “of [our] Lord” in this context is a shorthand for “since the incarnation of our Lord.” If you do not agree with Christian theology, at least refrain from blaspheming yourself.


32 posted on 10/05/2011 3:09:09 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The “of [our] Lord” in this context is a shorthand for “since the incarnation of our Lord.” If you do not agree with Christian theology, at least refrain from blaspheming yourself.

You need to get to a priest for:
untruth, falsehood, fib, fabrication, deception, invention, fiction, piece of fiction, falsification; (little) white lie, half-truth, exaggeration; informal tall tale, whopper, taradiddle.

I follow Yah'shua the Christ,
not some pagan religion
started at Nicea in 325 CE
by the Roman Pontiff, Constantine.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
33 posted on 10/05/2011 3:17:12 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

I don’t go to fargin’ “priests” you whopper slinger.


34 posted on 10/05/2011 3:20:53 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I guess you are not a RC as you have data on your homepage.

35 posted on 10/05/2011 3:43:16 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Cronos

This guy’s a hoot - in the past he refuses to state what year he actually believes it is. Takes all kinds, I guess...


36 posted on 10/05/2011 3:45:49 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

No gotcha here. What do you understand to be the correct interpretation of the declaration, “Jesus is Lord.”

Thank you.


37 posted on 10/05/2011 3:45:49 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

God bless - that level of ignorance makes for a great chuckle after a long day!


38 posted on 10/05/2011 3:48:05 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Mad Dawg
No gotcha here. What do you understand to be the correct interpretation of the declaration, “Jesus is Lord.” Thank you

YHVH's Shekinah Glory
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
39 posted on 10/05/2011 3:50:31 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Are you a Choc-ola (tm)?


40 posted on 10/05/2011 3:55:58 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Are you a Choc-ola (tm)?

????? I don't have a clue.

41 posted on 10/05/2011 3:59:35 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Are you a Choc-ola (tm)?

Way too abstruse.

But I'm a pepper 10-2 & 4


42 posted on 10/05/2011 4:10:39 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

I get it, you’re not a Christian.

I guess B.C. and A.D. could offend non-Christians, but I think that’s a bit P.C. The West is a Christian Culture (or was) and if I were not Christian I’d understand that and live with the place and chronology nomenclature.


43 posted on 10/05/2011 5:20:08 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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You lack a bit in Trinitarian theology and object to Christians calling Christ “Lord,” but AD was actually chosen because ‘After the Virgin Birth of the Incarnate Word’ was too long...

Uriel> I disagree with the Pantheon of gods
and goddesses in the Roman "church".
I believe Yah'shua when he quotes
Deuteronomy 6:4 by as noted by Peter
and written down by Mark:

NAU Mark 12:29 Jesus answered,
"The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL!
YHvH OUR GOD IS ONE YHvH;

OBTW I do not object to calling Yah'shua: LORD.
Another Falsehood by the claque.

I get it, you’re not a Christian.

I guess B.C. and A.D. could offend non-Christians, but I think that’s a bit P.C. The West is a Christian Culture (or was) and if I were not Christian I’d understand that and live with the place and chronology nomenclature.

Another falsehood repeated and again and again.

I am a follower of Yah'shua the Messiah
as IT IS WRITTEN in the WORD.

If that is different from the man-made Traditions
of man-made religion, that is not my concern.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
44 posted on 10/05/2011 6:04:30 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
I am a follower of Yah'shua the Messiah as IT IS WRITTEN in the WORD.

I think that your compass needle to Christ is pinned in another direction. Let's hear your profession of the Nicene Credd. Say it like you mean it, now...

45 posted on 10/05/2011 6:15:22 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Uriel>I am a follower of Yah'shua the Messiah as IT IS WRITTEN in the WORD.

I think that your compass needle to Christ is pinned in another direction. Let's hear your profession of the Nicene Credd. Say it like you mean it, now...

What does the Nicene Creed created in Nicea in 325CE,
lead by the Pagan Roman Pontiff, Constantine
have to do with the WORD of G-d ?

More man-made tradition of a man made religion.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
46 posted on 10/05/2011 6:22:30 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

You can say you are a poor black child if you wish.

Here, in this world, when someone says they are a Christian it means something, in broad terms at a belief in the Holy Trinity and Jesus Christ is God.

If you mean something else by ‘Christian’, more is needed to differentiate: Jehovah’s Witness, LDS, Messianic Jew, etc.


47 posted on 10/05/2011 6:27:51 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Why don’t you actually learn the history of the First Ecumenical Council instead of spouting nonsensical anti-papal propaganda you picked up somewhere?

While the Emperor, St. Constantine the Great, Equal-to-the-Apostles, as we Orthodox Christians call him (the Latin church, which you absurdly assert he founded does not venerate him as a saint!) called the Council of Nicaea for the sake of the peace of the Church which was being roiled by the false teaching of Arius that the Son and Word of God was created and not coequal and coeternal with the Father, the decision of the Council was not influenced by St. Constantine, who plainly had Arian sympathies (part of his sanctity was his submission, despite holding Imperial power, to the decision of the Council in condemning Arius).

Which clause of the Nicene Creed do you have a problem? All of them are solidly supported by the canonical Scriptures, as the Catechetical Homilies of St. Cyril of Jerusalem plainly show.


48 posted on 10/05/2011 7:36:00 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: The_Reader_David; Cronos

you are 100% correct of course, the ignorance of history is astounding.


49 posted on 10/05/2011 8:07:24 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

That’s a very plausible and even lovely thought.


50 posted on 10/05/2011 9:23:39 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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