Posted on 10/04/2011 1:33:17 PM PDT by NYer
.- The Vatican daily L’Osservatore Romano has criticized a decision by the BBC television network to drop its usage of the designations “A.D.” and “B.C.”
The network plans to adopt the terms “C.E.” (Common Era) and “BCE” (Before the Common Era) when referring to historical dates, to avoid “offending” non-believers.
L’Osservatore Romano called the decision “senseless historical hypocrisy.” Numerous BBC hosts, as well as politicians such as the mayor of London, Boris Johnshon, have also denounced the plan as absurd.
In an Oct. 5 article that will be published by the Vatican newspaper, reporter Luceta Scaraffia pointed out that numerous non-Christian spokespersons have stated that they “did not feel offended in any way by the traditional dating system.”
“It is clear that respect for other religions is a mere pretext, because what they want is to wipe out any trace of Christianity from western culture.”
Scaraffia noted that this is not the first time an attempt has been made to change the historical designations. The anti-Christian French Revolution of 1789 and the 1917 Leninist revolution in Russia both included efforts to reformulate the traditional calendar to start over again in their respective years.
She called those efforts “horrible precedents” and said the current proposed change is a hypocritical move on the part of those who “seem to not know why the years are counted starting from a certain date.”
“To deny the historically revolutionary role of the coming of Christ on earth, accepted even by those who do not recognize him as the Son of God, is a complete folly. And from a historical point of view, both Jews and Muslims know it.”
She pointed out that with the coming of Christ, mankind learned that all human beings have the same dignity, and this truth forms the basis “for all human rights, by which nations and leaders are judged.
“Until that time no one had held this principle, and Christian tradition is based upon it.”
The world changed after Christ, Scaraffia continued, and knowing the God who transcends nature, “made it possible for the peoples of Europe to discover the world and for scientists to begin the experimental study of nature, which led to the birth of modern science.”
“Why deny, then, civilization’s cultural debt to Christianity? There is nothing more anti-historical and senseless, as Jews and Muslims have clearly understood. It’s a matter of reason, not of faith.”
????? I don't have a clue.
But I'm a pepper 10-2 & 4 Way too abstruse.
I get it, you’re not a Christian.
I guess B.C. and A.D. could offend non-Christians, but I think that’s a bit P.C. The West is a Christian Culture (or was) and if I were not Christian I’d understand that and live with the place and chronology nomenclature.
Uriel> I disagree with the Pantheon of gods
and goddesses in the Roman "church".
I believe Yah'shua when he quotes
Deuteronomy 6:4 by as noted by Peter
and written down by Mark:
NAU Mark 12:29 Jesus answered,
"The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL!
YHvH OUR GOD IS ONE YHvH;
OBTW I do not object to calling Yah'shua: LORD.
Another Falsehood by the claque.
I get it, you’re not a Christian.
I guess B.C. and A.D. could offend non-Christians, but I think that’s a bit P.C. The West is a Christian Culture (or was) and if I were not Christian I’d understand that and live with the place and chronology nomenclature.
I am a follower of Yah'shua the Messiah If that is different from the man-made Traditions Another falsehood repeated and again and again.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
as IT IS WRITTEN in the WORD.
of man-made religion, that is not my concern.
I think that your compass needle to Christ is pinned in another direction. Let's hear your profession of the Nicene Credd. Say it like you mean it, now...
I think that your compass needle to Christ is pinned in another direction. Let's hear your profession of the Nicene Credd. Say it like you mean it, now...
More man-made tradition of a man made religion. What does the Nicene Creed created in Nicea in 325CE,
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
lead by the Pagan Roman Pontiff, Constantine
have to do with the WORD of G-d ?
You can say you are a poor black child if you wish.
Here, in this world, when someone says they are a Christian it means something, in broad terms at a belief in the Holy Trinity and Jesus Christ is God.
If you mean something else by ‘Christian’, more is needed to differentiate: Jehovah’s Witness, LDS, Messianic Jew, etc.
Why don’t you actually learn the history of the First Ecumenical Council instead of spouting nonsensical anti-papal propaganda you picked up somewhere?
While the Emperor, St. Constantine the Great, Equal-to-the-Apostles, as we Orthodox Christians call him (the Latin church, which you absurdly assert he founded does not venerate him as a saint!) called the Council of Nicaea for the sake of the peace of the Church which was being roiled by the false teaching of Arius that the Son and Word of God was created and not coequal and coeternal with the Father, the decision of the Council was not influenced by St. Constantine, who plainly had Arian sympathies (part of his sanctity was his submission, despite holding Imperial power, to the decision of the Council in condemning Arius).
Which clause of the Nicene Creed do you have a problem? All of them are solidly supported by the canonical Scriptures, as the Catechetical Homilies of St. Cyril of Jerusalem plainly show.
you are 100% correct of course, the ignorance of history is astounding.
That’s a very plausible and even lovely thought.
LOL. You guys and your gematria!
Well done - and I learned a new word!
Wow, you wearing your reading glasses?
I said The Anno Domini was created in 525 by Dionysius Exiguus.
The year of Our Lord is simply the notation since Our Lord Jesus Christ was born.
Of course WE Christians believe Jesus Christ is Lord, God and Savior -- if your group doesn't, that's your group's problem. Jehovah's Witnesses in any case only have until next year when their world ending prediction kicks in.
Aha, so now it comes out -- a group who rejects the Trinity as a "pantheon of gods"
did the aliens tell you that? If your cult follows alien doctrines then it is paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
yes, we know that -- even in your previous incarnation as XeniaST
Wow -- talk about ego-surfing. your cult's scriptures say you will become a follower of Yah?
What does the Nicene Creed created in Nicea in 325CE, lead by the Pagan Roman Pontiff, Constantine have to do with the WORD of G-d ?
The Nicene Council (first Ecumenical Council in Church history) was not lead (sic) by Constantine. Constantine pleaded with the Church to settle the Arian affair (of which you guys lost) and offered to host the event since it was tearing the secular Empire (based in Turkey, not in Italy, as you keep erroneously claiming) apart. The Church, for the first time, defined Christianity. I realize that to the free spirits and the self worshippers, this appears to be a supreme affront. Tough.
Christianity is what the Church says it is, not what you say it is.
You prate of the repulsion of man-made religion. Yet your posts stink of it. Your own personal revelation and your own personal doctrine do not define Christianity.
Thanks! :-)
A book everyone should have the “The Joy of Yiddish.” Rosten is a very funny guy with an encyclopedic knowledge of corny jokes and a great interest in language. A theologian he’s not, but if you want to appreciate one of the world’s great creole languages and get a sense of Jewish culture this book is a very pleasant way to do so.
I thought that was a reference to "the whole company of heaven," the saints 'n stuff. Part of rejecting analogy as way of trying to understand God is that one ends up using crude and overly materialistic ideas where they do not belong. I think this accounts for the mechanistic soteriology of some, where having a particular sort of experience is like hitting the jackpot at the divine slots, the payout that never stops. One is either a recipient or not, while the idea of being caught up in the great stream of giving, a torrent like the watercourses of the Negev (Ps 126:4) which suddenly appear and sweep all before them, is utterly overlooked. And here the concept of God is reduced to a Euclidean point -- 'that which has no part.' It is good to think as hard as we can about what""oneness", "unity", "simplicity",etc. mean.
But then we have to remember that we never encounter it in the "real world". Everything we see has parts. You have to go to a lab to find the a-tom, the thing which cannot be cut. And there we find the contradictory "sub-atomic particle."
Or you have to go to the mind which looks at things which appear to be simple (but aren't) and discovers a concept of simplicity. And then, as it were, strutting of, it thinks it understands -- WE think WE understand what oneness is.
But God is not what we think, and his thoughts are not our thoughts. And the Doctrine of the Most Holy Trinity is, if nothing else, the Church saying that God is not what you think, "Oneness" is not what you think.
And as some in their pride deceive themselves into thinking they understand the Threeness, others with like pride think they understand the Oneness.
I know a nice guy, a convert to Islam, who converted on solely philosophical grounds: He worships the Oneness. But he errs because he thinks oneness is what he thinks it is and cannot make his mind bow before the mystery. In attempting to preserve reason, he loses it in an idea of god which negates all reason whatsoever.
(I do not fear too much for his soul because I think that one day he will think about what actually happened to the great Muslim philosophers Avicenna and Averroes and will see that the god of Mohamed demands the lives of the children begotten of mind. And he will repent.)
So, to me, part of the wonder of the Nicene symbol is that it is an expression of intellectual humility, and acknowledgment that the mind, without Divine protection, cannot approach God without flaming and crumbling into ash.
Evidently others mileage may vary.
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