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Romney's Religion Problem
National Review Online ^ | Oct. 4, 2011 | John Hood

Posted on 10/05/2011 8:05:15 AM PDT by Colofornian

After Rick Perry’s wobbly performance shifted some momentum back to Mitt Romney, conservatives began another round of speculation about his appeal in the early-primary states. It seems that his religious affiliation remains a serious problem for him.

USA Today reported on latest Gallup poll question:

Although three of four Americans say they would support a presidential candidate who is an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, the Gallup Poll finds that 22% say they would not.

That figure has not changed much since Gallup started measuring opinion on this subject in 1967. One difference comes by party: While 27% of Democrats say they would not support a Mormon for president, that figure is 20% for Republicans.

Those rates may not sound like much, but they could tip a close election — and are likely to be somewhat understated because some poll respondents would be reluctant to admit to anti-Mormon bias. Another recent survey by pollster Gary Lawrence, himself a Mormon, confirmed the bias, but Lawrence offered a more positive spin:

Lawrence’s poll also asked voters to what extent they would consider voting for a person of a specific religion. Five times as many voters would never consider voting for a Mormon (20%) as compared to a Catholic or a Baptist (4%). As for support, 50% would definitely consider a Catholic and 47% a Baptist, but only 30% would definitely consider a Mormon.

However, while such results have been touted as an uphill battle for Mormons running for office, other questions demonstrate these generic measures may not be that important.

“If religion played a big role in the vote decision, more people could correctly identify candidates’ religions,” Lawrence said. “While 85% of voters have heard of Mitt Romney, only 41% know he is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, aka Mormon, despite considerable publicity. Only 11% and 6% respectively know that Jon Huntsman, Jr. and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid are also Mormons.”

Similarly, the survey found that 7% of voters correctly identify Michelle Bachman’s evangelical Lutheranism, and merely 1% know Rick Perry is a Methodist. Further confusion: 17% still think Barack Obama is a Muslim.

“Those aren’t numbers that suggest passionate interest,” Lawrence said.

Perhaps, but by Election Day a significant majority of voters will know Romney is a Mormon. I don’t think that should matter one bit. But it might.


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From the article: Although three of four Americans say they would support a presidential candidate who is an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, the Gallup Poll finds that 22% say they would not. That figure has not changed much since Gallup started measuring opinion on this subject in 1967. One difference comes by party: While 27% of Democrats say they would not support a Mormon for president, that figure is 20% for Republicans. Those rates may not sound like much, but they could tip a close election — and are likely to be somewhat understated because some poll respondents would be reluctant to admit to anti-Mormon bias.

"Anti-Mormon bias" = anti-worldview discernment. (Sorry, I don't vote for self-proclaimed "gods" for POTUS; nor candidates whose open beliefs deem us Christians to be apostates who adhere to 100% creeds of "abomination"...btw, abominable apostates is the "N" word equivalent for Christians...voters voting for true-propagandized Mormons would be like a black voting for a KKK member)

From the article: Five times as many voters would never consider voting for a Mormon (20%) as compared to a Catholic or a Baptist (4%). As for support, 50% would definitely consider a Catholic and 47% a Baptist, but only 30% would definitely consider a Mormon.

Only 30% of voters would definitely consider a Mormon candidate...and the RINOs want him as their candidate? What fantasyworld do they live in?

From the article: “While 85% of voters have heard of Mitt Romney, only 41% know he is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, aka Mormon, despite considerable publicity.

Just wait until the MSM runs its campaign to ensure the other 59% of America finds out that Romney is Mormon!

1 posted on 10/05/2011 8:05:18 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

That 22% is probably most leftists who don’t like Mormons, and would never vote for a Republican anyway.


2 posted on 10/05/2011 8:07:21 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Colofornian

Has it occurred to anyone in the GOP that it might be unwise to oppose a semi-black man with a mormon, whose church taught for many years that blackness was a mark of sin?


3 posted on 10/05/2011 8:08:47 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Colofornian

We would hear 1000 times a day that Romney’s great-grandfather had 5 wives.


4 posted on 10/05/2011 8:09:02 AM PDT by petercooper (2012 - Purge more RINO's.)
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To: Colofornian

NRO Must PIMP their Romney.

Can't push any of his ideas
(RomneyCARE, Fees(Taxes), BIG-DIGs, proMexico, .......)
so they crawl under his skirt
where they feel at home
and plead, for the 10 trillionth time, the Mormon card.

5 posted on 10/05/2011 8:09:11 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Colofornian

the media is just holding off “educating” people about some of the tenets of mormonism until the day after Mittens is nominated

Then I suspect we will all be treated to accurate or inaccurate exposes about the sons of Cain and the planet Kolob, among other topics, and obama (and even Tom Cruise) will look mainstream by comparison


6 posted on 10/05/2011 8:10:51 AM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: All
What I would like to hear from the "his Mormonism is immaterial" crowd...
...is to explain how Romney's socio-political viability as a Mormon candidate is somehow also immaterial...

It seems to me this crowd is always ignoring the elephant in the living room. They seem to keep saying, "Well, ya know on my corner of the living room, that elephant ain't botherin' me a bit."

7 posted on 10/05/2011 8:11:07 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Diogenesis
NRO Must PIMP their Romney.

True. Lopez of NRO was the most prominent pimp in 07.

8 posted on 10/05/2011 8:14:30 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Diogenesis
IMO, this propaganda campaign to "acquaint people with the mormon religion (Mormons 'R' Us)", will prove to be self-defeating. The heresy of the sect being brought to the attention of voters will cause them to wonder..."WTH is Mitt thinking, running against a black man while clinging to the racist doctrine of mormonism?"

The media wants Romney to be the nominee..that's why they are holding fire on the racism until the nominee is chosen.

9 posted on 10/05/2011 8:17:49 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Joseph Smith, America’s first Comic Book author. He Produced the Adventures of Nephi-Mormon-Moroni)
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To: proxy_user

The 22% comes from both ends of the political spectrum, to my understanding, but for different reasons. I saw on another thread where dems are actualy less likely to vote for LDS than pubs because of the general political views they perceive the majority of LDS hold, while the majority of those who won’t vote for a LDS because of their own religious views are much more likely to be pubs.

Freegards


10 posted on 10/05/2011 8:18:40 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: petercooper
We would hear 1000 times a day that Romney’s great-grandfather had 5 wives.

The media would obsess about his magic undies, use polygamy as a target weapon against him and his church by supporting polygamists to march and stage protests getting the evangelicals upset, delve into the Mormon's history and plaster it over the air waves/news papers making the Mormon church look kookier than it already is.

The GOP has to think like the left. There's just too much to about Mormonism to use against Romney for him to be an effective president.

If the media chooses to make something a topic, it will and if it decides to ignore something, they'll do that too.

11 posted on 10/05/2011 8:22:01 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Ransomed

Didn’t we dispense with religious concerns after JFK was elected in 1960? What am I missing here?

When Joe Lieberman was the VP nominee in 2000, he became the first non-Christian candidate for either president or vice-president, of a major political party. Yet that fact was barely mentioned in the campaign, and his religion was a non-issue.

Nobody ever talks about Harry Reid being Mormon.

Is religion an issue only for Republican candidates for office???? Are good Democrats given a pass, because their liberalism overrides whatever religious doctrines they believe in????


12 posted on 10/05/2011 8:23:57 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Colofornian
Most stupid line of the day.

Perhaps, but by Election Day a significant majority of voters will know Romney is a Mormon. I don’t think that should matter one bit. But it might.

That idiot doesn't know how quickly the MSM media will crucify Mr. dummy Romney once they get him up against their savior Obambi. That is the plan of the left. And what a time they will have with the pre 1978 material in addition to the polygamy issue. I will also bet that the MMM ordeal will be pinned on him as well. Not a good time to be a Mormon candidate in my opinion.

13 posted on 10/05/2011 8:24:33 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where INVITED Freepers will meet again next summer. Jim Robinson Too)
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To: Ransomed

More likely people are not favoring mormons because of their religious views but because of the religious views of mormons.


14 posted on 10/05/2011 8:24:48 AM PDT by svcw (Those who are easily shocked... should be shocked more often. - Mae West)
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To: Colofornian

Romney’s religion problem is that nobody cares, so it can’t be used to deflect people from holding him accountable for Romneycare and his Planned Parenthood fundraising.


15 posted on 10/05/2011 8:27:32 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Colofornian

Romney’s religion problem is that nobody cares, so it can’t be used to deflect people from holding him accountable for Romneycare and his Planned Parenthood fundraising.


16 posted on 10/05/2011 8:27:43 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: dragonblustar

So are you suggesting that the media should have a veto power over who the Republican nominee is?

I would suggest that you have a point, that the MSM will go after Romney and Mormonism. I would also suggest that the MSM will go after any Republican nominee, based on whatever criteria they decide will be the best line of attack.

The media will find something wrong with ANY GOP nominee. I think it’s a given that the MSM will be in the tank for Obama again in 2012.


17 posted on 10/05/2011 8:28:27 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Colofornian

Romney’s religion problem is that nobody cares, so it can’t be used to deflect people from holding him accountable for Romneycare and his Planned Parenthood fundraising.


18 posted on 10/05/2011 8:28:37 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Yes, it is pretty much only for pub candidates, unless there would be a dem Muslum running, in which case it would reverse, with the howls coming from the libs about intolerance.

I think there are many things to consider when voting, and there is nothing wrong with using religion to inform one’s choice, if that’s what you decide to do.

Freegards


19 posted on 10/05/2011 8:30:43 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Catholicism and Judaism are mainstream religions with an easily understood theology that most Americans are familiar with and which doesn't sound strange to them.

Although there was a concern that a Catholic President would take his ‘marching orders’ from the Pope - a long history of Catholic Monarchs and Prime Ministers showed that the Pope was unlikely to attempt it - and they were even less likely to heed it.

Mormonism, by contrast, posits that any Mormon can receiver at any time a divine “revelation” or “prophecy” - either Mitt himself or anyone above him in the Mormon hierarchy - and who knows what it will say or what credence Mitt would give it.

Also their theology is an absolute mess.

I can see the mental constructs the MSM would be creating....

A vote for Romney is a vote for Black skin being a mark of evil.

A vote for Romney is a vote for Jesus and Satan being spirit brothers.

Etc, etc, etc.

20 posted on 10/05/2011 8:32:39 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Colofornian

Romney’s problem is not religion.
It is that he is NOT a conservative and that he is basically a Washington insider type. We ain’t voting for that.....


21 posted on 10/05/2011 8:37:34 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
I would suggest that you have a point, that the MSM will go after Romney and Mormonism. I would also suggest that the MSM will go after any Republican nominee, based on whatever criteria they decide will be the best line of attack.

That's true but the Mormon history has so much that hasn't been brought up to the national attention that it would really cripple him. The GOP is living in La La Land if they don't think the left will exploit that. And because there is historical evidence, the public will fold to the left.

What's stunning and unfair is that Obama has been to Wright's church for years and the MSM ignored most of it but you know if Romney gets in, it will be nasty.

22 posted on 10/05/2011 8:38:51 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego; Ransomed
Didn’t we dispense with religious concerns after JFK was elected in 1960? What am I missing here?

So that means if a Scientologist runs for POTUS, supposed Thetans, the Planet Venus, and L. Ron Hubbard are all off-limits for discussion and weighing of that candidate?...just 'cause JFK was Roman Catholic?

Really?

See Similarities between Mormonism and Scientology

I mean, L. Ron Hubbard could have easily substituted Mormonism's Kolob for Venus in his religion.

Oh, and if you want to know what a "Thetan" is, here:

According to Scientology, when a person dies — or, in Scientology terms, when a thetan abandons its physical body — they go to a "landing station" on the planet Venus, where the thetan is re-implanted and told lies about its past life and its next life. The Venusians take the thetan, "capsule" it, and send it back to Earth to be dumped into the ocean off the coast of California. Source: Thetan (Wikipedia)

Seems to me that, per the Mormon myth narrative, when when an earthling is becoming "encapsuled" they leave from a "launching station" on the planet Kolob, where the Mormon spirit is implanted inside a human body, and once born with a Mormon family, the Mormon is told lies about its past life and its next life. The Mormon gods take the Mormon, "capsule" it in that body, and send it to Earth to be dumped at age 8 into the Mormon baptismal founts off of many international coasts.

Mormonism's equivalent to the Scientologist's "Thetan" is the so-called "pre-existence."

Just like many TV shows & movies, which use retread ideas like Hawaii 5-0, etc., the demons often only had to switch vocab words while using many similar themes in new religion creation.

23 posted on 10/05/2011 8:39:03 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: MrEdd

According to the article at least 20% of the population cares, so you stating “nobody cares” is not correct.


24 posted on 10/05/2011 8:39:38 AM PDT by Turtlepower
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To: proxy_user

Romney’s problem is not a religion problem!!!! This is B.S.!!! His problem is he is a RINO,he’s an establishment Republican, he sold out on American ideals for health care in Massachusetts, and he looks plastic!!!!


25 posted on 10/05/2011 8:44:24 AM PDT by browniexyz
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To: SECURE AMERICA
Romney’s problem is not religion.

Really? Did you read the article? Do you ignore the polling data?

From a socio-political perspective, when only...
...1.5 of 5 voters will seriously consider you as a candidate
-- and that only 2 in 5 right now even know that you're a Mormon...
...and the other 3 in 5 will find out in a 2012 MSM blitz...
...then may I respectfully ask you "his religion is not a problem" posters to begin removing your blinders?

Just because it's not a problem for you doesn't mean you represent the "out-there" undecided voter.

Candidate viability must be raised as an issue or the RINOs will permanently ruin the GOP!

26 posted on 10/05/2011 8:44:24 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: petercooper

...and Milts own father Jorge was born in Mexico so his grandpa could have his harem in peace in Mexico.


27 posted on 10/05/2011 8:48:35 AM PDT by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: Colofornian

The article is just an attempt to steer objections to Romney into the religion corner. He has even cultivated “Evangelicals for Mitt” in an attempt to address those issues. But conservative Americans who look for smaller government and common sense solutions reject Romney’s politics and policies. He also has that “entitled” attitude which particularly now is a real turn-off.


28 posted on 10/05/2011 8:48:45 AM PDT by browniexyz
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To: proxy_user

Hmmm. Tough call on this one. While taking no position on particular beliefs, I do think that IF he is nominated and WHEN some of those beliefs are brought to the fore that it is going to turn a sizable number of “fence sitters” off from voting for him.

Me? I won’t vote for him for many a non-religion reason. I’ll vote Third Party.


29 posted on 10/05/2011 8:54:50 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Dilbert San Diego: "Nobody ever talks about Harry Reid being Mormon."

And THERE you have it FReepers.
Harry Reid talks about having grown up in a whore house.
Who KNEW he was a Mormon.

Does Reid use his religion or the brothel for excuses?
I think not.

Does Milt? Every chance he can
though usually through his paid intermediates
hiding under his skirt.

30 posted on 10/05/2011 8:57:18 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Colofornian

Mitt Mormony is Romin??


31 posted on 10/05/2011 9:01:24 AM PDT by Keli Kilohana (Editor, ZARR CHASM CHRONICAL [sic], Sore, WV)
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To: Colofornian

I think there is something to the argument that yeah, a candidate might be the best thing ever, exept he believes the Earth isn’t round, it’s burrito shaped (bloom county reference).

I don’t think LDS rises to that level yet for me, but what if there are two candidates, both equally conservative, one LDS? I can see it becoming a factor I reckon. What else are you supposed to do, flip a coin?

Freegards


32 posted on 10/05/2011 9:06:32 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: petercooper
We would hear 1000 times a day that Romney’s great-grandfather had 5 wives.

You're right.

As a point of history, Romney has two polygamist great-grandfathers.

Miles Park Romney had five wives. He married the fifth, Emily Henrietta Eyring, after the 1890 manifesto. Polygamy was illegal in Mexico, by the way.

Another of Romney's great-grandfathers, Helaman Pratt, had three wives.

Romney's didn't get to choose either of those great-grandfathers. However, I've never heard him disavow polygamy, when both great-fathers practiced polygamy illegally in Mexico after the 1890 Manifesto, and one of them took an additional wife after 1890.

33 posted on 10/05/2011 9:13:33 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: browniexyz; Diogenesis
The article is just an attempt to steer objections to Romney into the religion corner.

Tell us. Why would NRO want to do that? As Diogenesis stated in post #5, NRO has long been in the Romney camp. One of their writers, Lopez, frequently pimped Romney in '07.

34 posted on 10/05/2011 9:25:06 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

It seems to me that it’s not really his problem, as much as it is those that can’t accept his beliefs.


35 posted on 10/05/2011 9:28:30 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: Colofornian

What would be said in your corner of the room, if a leading candidate had the same socio-political beliefs as you?...and the other corner was saying what you are, now?


36 posted on 10/05/2011 9:31:45 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: Colofornian

I’m totally indifferent to Romney’s alleged faith. Having known many Mormons who would be vastly better than Bush, Clinton, Romney, Obama, McCain, Gore, Kerry, or any of our other choices since Ronald Reagan, I would be thrilled to have the right Mormon in the White House. My problem with Romney is his values. He’s so dishonest and inconsistent about what he believes that it’s hard to be sure if he’s borderline socialist or a full-fledged socialist, but either way he’s not someone I can support. Mormonism? Not even on the radar screen.


37 posted on 10/05/2011 9:31:53 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: petercooper

In a contest against Barack Obama, Romney is somewhat inoculated against ancestral polygamy issues by the fact that there is some evidence that Obama’s own father was a polygamist. The Mormon policy of denying priesthood to black men pre-1978 is a likely bigger problem, especially against a black opponent. Still, it’s probably not a knockout punch, because it’s hard for the democrats to claim the moral high ground on this when so recently they stood by in silence for several years conveniently ignoring the racist (KKK) past of Senator Robert Byrd.


38 posted on 10/05/2011 9:40:34 AM PDT by Texan Tory (Herman Cain for president. Because sometimes it does take a rocket scientist.)
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To: stuartcr

Maybe he would be smart enough to go back to the drawing board and find a candidate that gets his base excited instead of has 22% to sit at home on their collective behinds because the party heads are too stupid to learn from history what wins presidential elections in landslides for them.


39 posted on 10/05/2011 9:41:18 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: Lady Heron

Maybe


40 posted on 10/05/2011 9:53:18 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: Colofornian

I will never vote for Mittens for both reasons - He’s a RINO and he’s Mormon.

I know way too much about Mormonism to ever trust on in political office. I would never vote for a member of the LDS chruch because I know what they think, what they believe, and how hey feel about non-Mormons.

Add to that Mittens thinks he is fulfilling a prophecy of Joseph Smith and working towards godhood - no thanks.


41 posted on 10/05/2011 10:06:41 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: stuartcr
It seems to me that it’s not really his problem, as much as it is those that can’t accept his beliefs.

Just listen to yourself. And then apply those same words to other aspects of what a candidate may push as his campaign promises.

"It seems to me that it's not really his problem [re: his beliefs about the economy], as much as it is those that can’t accept his beliefs."

"It seems to me that it's not really his problem [re: his beliefs about healthcare], as much as it is those that can’t accept his beliefs."

"It seems to me that it's not really his problem [re: his beliefs about social issues embraced by conservatives], as much as it is those that can’t accept his beliefs."

"It seems to me that it's not really his problem [re: his beliefs about border security and illegal aliens], as much as it is those that can’t accept his beliefs."

"It seems to me that it's not really his problem [re: his beliefs about fill-in-the-blank], as much as it is those that can’t accept his beliefs."

42 posted on 10/05/2011 10:40:03 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Scoutmaster
Another of Romney's great-grandfathers, Helaman Pratt, had three wives.

Joseph Smith, who slept with at least 11 women who were already married to other men and claimed them as his spiritual wives, tried to do the same thing with Romney's great-great grandmother, Sarah Pratt, wife of Lds "apostle" Orson Pratt:

From the article, Would you share your spouse with the Prophet?:

Orson Pratt's Wife, Sarah
"Sometime in late 1840 or early 1841, Joseph Smith confided to his friend that he was smitten by the "amiable and accomplished" Sarah Pratt and wanted her for "one of his spiritual wives, for the Lord had given her to him as a special favor for his faithfulness" (emphasis in original). Shortly afterward, the two men took some of Bennett's sewing to Sarah's house. During the visit, as Bennett describes it, Joseph said, "Sister Pratt, the Lord has given you to me as one of my spiritual wives. I have the blessings of Jacob granted me, as God granted holy men of old, and as I have long looked upon you with favor, and an earnest desire of connubial bliss, I hope you will not repulse or deny me." "And is that the great secret that I am not to utter," Sarah replied. "Am I called upon to break the marriage covenant, and prove recreant to my lawful husband! I never will." She added, "I care not for the blessings of Jacob. I have one good husband, and that is enough for me." But according to Bennett, the Prophet was persistent. Finally Sarah angrily told him on a subsequent visit, "Joseph, if you ever attempt any thing of the kind with me again, I will make a full disclosure to Mr. Pratt on his return home. Depend upon it, I will certainly do it." "Sister Pratt," the Prophet responded, "I hope you will not expose me, for if I suffer, all must suffer; so do not expose me. Will you promise me that you will not do it?" "If you will never insult me again," Sarah replied, "I will not expose you unless strong circumstances should require it." "If you should tell," the Prophet added, "I will ruin your reputation, remember that."
(Article "Sarah M. Pratt" by Richard A. Van Wagoner, Dialogue, Vol.19, No.2, p.72. Also see: http://www.xmission.com/~country/reason/spratt.htm)

The article recounts four other failures by Smith to recuit the wives of other men -- and five "successful" efforts.

43 posted on 10/05/2011 10:48:54 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Yes. It’s all relative to what one believes, isn’t it?


44 posted on 10/05/2011 10:51:27 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: Texan Tory
The Mormon policy of denying priesthood to black men pre-1978 is a likely bigger problem, especially against a black opponent. Still, it’s probably not a knockout punch, because it’s hard for the democrats to claim the moral high ground on this when so recently they stood by in silence for several years conveniently ignoring the racist (KKK) past of Senator Robert Byrd.

Byrd never ran for PREZ...
...with 24/7 coast-to-coast & intl media full-press coverage...
...in an internet era where media claims are easier to validate.

It wouldn't be a "knockout punch" only 'cause Romney wouldn't ever really even be in the ring. The whole floor would be pulled out under from him before the bell sounds!

The biggest potential loser? (The GOP!)

45 posted on 10/05/2011 11:23:53 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Epstein’s web


46 posted on 10/05/2011 12:24:41 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Colofornian
As for support, 50% would definitely consider a Catholic and 47% a Baptist

That tells me that Carter screwed it up more for Baptists than Kennedy did for Catholics.

47 posted on 10/05/2011 12:42:21 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Texan Tory
it’s hard for the democrats to claim the moral high ground on this when so recently they stood by in silence for several years conveniently ignoring the racist (KKK) past of Senator Robert Byrd.

You don't know that a double standard exists between rats and republicans? The media protected Byrd, often by their silence. It's only when democrats' misdeeds are egregious (Anthony Weiner) that they will toss the democrat under the bus.

If Romney becomes the nominee, all their ammo will be tossed against him, including the cult he is a member of.

48 posted on 10/05/2011 12:57:15 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Dilbert San Diego

It’s not “office,” Dilbert, it’s THE office, the Presidency.

Harry Reid isn’t running for President. His campaign stays in his home state.

We’re just pointing out that Romney’s religious beliefs will be used against him if he gets the nomination. That’s the truth, whether you like it or not.

He could, of course, claim that he spent decades listening to all those strange teachings but didn’t really hold to any of them. Sort of throw Brigham Young under the bus with Rev. Wright.


49 posted on 10/05/2011 1:00:30 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: reaganaut
I know way too much about Mormonism to ever trust on in political office. I would never vote for a member of the LDS chruch because I know what they think, what they believe, and how hey feel about non-Mormons.

Add to that, the fact that having a Mormon president would give the cult of mormonism a validity all over the world, delivering souls to the pits of hell.

50 posted on 10/05/2011 1:00:40 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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