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Lessons From Piers Morgan's Interview With Joel Osteen (Osteen refuses to take any firm stand)
Christian Post ^ | 10/07/2011 | R. Albert Mohler Jr.

Posted on 10/07/2011 1:15:11 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: stfassisi; RnMomof7
In protestantism where are the basics of the Christian faith found so that if some person wants to become protestant they can find these basics. Don’t say the Bible because protestants don’t have dogmatic teaching that is concrete and can never change and they all claim they can find what they teach is in the Bible even though they disagree

First of all, the Roman Catholic Church has had and continues to have its own Osteen personalities. Go back and read about some of the medieval popes and then tell me about dogmatic teachings.

Perhaps to your surprise, though I doubt it, people don't need to have a "Protestant" catechism and they don't seek to "become" Protestants, rather we seek to know Christ and follow him. You say to discard the Bible as the source for "dogmatic" teaching yet even the Roman Catholic Church must use it - or they say they do anyway - to develop what ARE the basic tenets of the Christian faith. Anyone who wishes to learn about Christianity can read the Holy Bible and there is not anything that would prohibit an earnest seeker of truth from finding it through the leading and guiding of the Holy Spirit.

Saying "Protestants don't have dogmatic teaching that is concrete" is a straw man full of such hot air it is in danger of spontaneous combustion. The Bible is God's gift to the whole world and is the Divinely inspired authority for all the truths of the faith. No organized religion owns the patent on truth. It belongs to God and he is generous and merciful to all who seek him diligently.

41 posted on 10/07/2011 11:27:01 PM PDT by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: boatbums
The Bible is God's gift to the whole world and is the Divinely inspired authority for all the truths of the faith. No organized religion owns the patent on truth. It belongs to God and he is generous and merciful to all who seek him diligently.

You think and write very clearly. What a pleasure to see a follower of Christ using his or her gifts to glorify God.

42 posted on 10/08/2011 1:11:11 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Paradox
Bad news is, he creeps me out too, like a Stepford person or something.

That's the impression I get to. Some of these televangelists are like stepford preachers. There's something just not right about this notion of Christianity as cupcakes, smiles and serenity now, serenity now.

I don't trust anybody that doesn't get angry every once in a while. It's not only human, but a lot of times it's healthy. Anybody that walks around with a snile on their face all the time, is wearing some kind of mask.

43 posted on 10/08/2011 1:33:15 AM PDT by csense
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To: boatbums
First of all, the Roman Catholic Church has had and continues to have its own Osteen personalities. Go back and read about some of the medieval popes and then tell me about dogmatic teachings.

Weak argument ,dear sister, because even if a Pope, Bishop or anyone else goes against concrete Church teaching it can never change the dogmatic teaching. They make themselves heretics and it has no effect on dogmatic teaching of Faith and Morals

Saying "Protestants don't have dogmatic teaching that is concrete" is a straw man full of such hot air it is in danger of spontaneous combustion.

You might not want accept this reality,but protestantism does NOT have a source of core teachings of their own or you would be united, and you should know very well that the Bible does NOT unite protestantism ,it separates protestantism into many different beliefs which goes against what the Bible even says

"Careful to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. One body and one Spirit; as you are called in one hope of your calling. One Lord, one faith, one baptism. " -Ephesians 3-5

What actually is a straw argument is for you to point out cafeteria Catholics who do opposite of Church Dogma as a flaw in the Dogma.

My whole point is that Olsteen types can flourish with no dogma and many protestants jump all over him as in error when protestantism does not agree on what is an error on many issues of faith and morals

44 posted on 10/08/2011 5:42:03 AM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi
Don’t say the Bible because protestants don’t have dogmatic teaching that is concrete and can never change

Ohhh...You mean like the dogmatic teaching your religion invented such as clergy must be unmarried and celibate and Mary is the Queen of Heaven that you couldn't find in the bible with a searchlight and a microscope???

and they all claim they can find what they teach is in the Bible even though they disagree

That just shows your ignorance of the bible, and the Protestant denominations...

45 posted on 10/08/2011 8:41:55 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: SeaHawkFan
I think you have RnMomof7 confused with someone else. I have some theological issues with RnMomof7, but she is well within the basic tenets on the historic Christian faith.

There are essentials and non essentials... Catholics seem not to separate one from the other

46 posted on 10/08/2011 9:41:56 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: stfassisi; SeaHawkFan
Of course you have issues,this is no surprise to me
In protestantism where are the basics of the Christian faith found so that if some person wants to become protestant they can find these basics.

The very fact that one needs to ask... is a sign of spiritual trouble...becoming a protestant saves no one.. one is not saved by their church..but Catholics can not understand that, because they believe that is where they are saved..

47 posted on 10/08/2011 9:46:25 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Iscool
You mean like the dogmatic teaching your religion invented such as clergy must be unmarried

Sorry to burst your bubble ,dear friend,but unmarried clergy is NOT a dogma,it can be changed. In Fact , there are Anglican converts to Catholicism who are married priests

48 posted on 10/08/2011 9:52:58 AM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: boatbums
Saying "Protestants don't have dogmatic teaching that is concrete" is a straw man full of such hot air it is in danger of spontaneous combustion. The Bible is God's gift to the whole world and is the Divinely inspired authority for all the truths of the faith. No organized religion owns the patent on truth. It belongs to God and he is generous and merciful to all who seek him diligently.

Amen... they think they are saved by their church..so they do not understand or know the gospel, that binds us together the children of God

49 posted on 10/08/2011 9:57:18 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: SandyInSeattle

What’s a Joel Osteen?


50 posted on 10/08/2011 9:59:09 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: stfassisi; boatbums
My whole point is that Olsteen types can flourish with no dogma and many protestants jump all over him as in error when protestantism does not agree on what is an error on many issues of faith and morals

What is interesting is that this is basically a protestant thread to expose a false teacher.. too bad catholics here just accept false teaching and call it "dogma"

51 posted on 10/08/2011 10:02:08 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
too bad catholics here just accept false teaching and call it "dogma"

The Divinity of Christ is Dogma,so is Baptism and may other things you probably believe in that has protected Christian belief against heretical teachings from gaining ground way before the reformation.

So , perhaps you should be careful and be more thankful?

52 posted on 10/08/2011 11:10:10 AM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi

Who was it that said one can be right in one thing and still be VERY wrong???There is no salvation in DOGMA


53 posted on 10/08/2011 11:19:19 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

“”There is no salvation in DOGMA””

The Divinity of Christ,The Crucifixion ,The Resurrection....all Dogmas. Believing all these Dogmas certainly will help towards Salvation.

Wouldn’t you agree ,dear sister?


54 posted on 10/08/2011 11:31:01 AM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m truly curious if he reads the Bible daily.

Not being judgmental just curious.


55 posted on 10/08/2011 12:03:19 PM PDT by thatjoeguy (Wind is just air, but pushier.)
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To: PGR88

Groupies?


56 posted on 10/08/2011 6:46:46 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: rwfromkansas

Yes, it’s not Christianity what he teaches


57 posted on 10/08/2011 6:48:16 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

I pray for parking spaces too.

However, I also will state and follow Scripture, unlike Joel.


58 posted on 10/08/2011 6:50:50 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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