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Chesterton on devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary [Ecumenical]
InsightScoop.typepad.com ^ | Posted 10-07-11 | G.K. Chesterton

Posted on 10/07/2011 7:22:11 PM PDT by Salvation

Chesterton on devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary

I do not want to be in a religion in which I am allowed to have a crucifix. I feel the same about the much more controversial question of the honour paid to the Blessed Virgin.  If people do not like that cult, they are quite right not to be Catholics.  But in people who are Catholics, or call themselves Catholics, I want the idea not only liked but loved and loved ardently, and above all proudly proclaimed. I want it to be what the Protestants are perfectly right in calling it; the badge and sign of a Papist.  I want to be allowed to be enthusiastic about the existence of the enthusiasm; not to have my chief enthusiasm coldly tolerated as an eccentricity of myself. And that is why, with all the good will in the world, I cannot feel the crucifix at one end of the town as a substitute for the little Roman Catholic Church at the other.

— From the Autobiography of G.K. Chesterton

The honour given to Mary as the Mother of God is, among a thousand other things, a very perfect example of the truth to which I have recurred more than once:  that even what we may call the Protestant truths were only saved by the Catholic authority. Among these is the very necessary truth of the subordination of Mary to Christ, as being after all the subordination of the creature to the Creator.  Nothing amuses Catholics more than the suggestion, in so much of the old Protestant propaganda, that they are to be freed from the superstition called Mariolatry, like people freed from the burden of daylight.  All the spontaneous spirituality, as distinct from the necessary doctrinal orthodoxy, is on the side of the extension and even excess of this cult. If Catholics had been left to their private judgment, to their personal religious experience, to their sense of the essential spirit of Christ and Christianity, to any of the liberal or latitudinarian tests of truth, they would long ago have exalted our Lady to a height of superhuman supremacy and splendour that might really have imperilled the pure monotheism in the core of the creed. Over whole tracts of popular opinion she might have been a goddess more universal than Isis.  It is the authority of Rome that has prevented such Catholics from indulging in such Mariolatry; the strict definition that distinguished between a perfect woman and a divine Man.

— From The Catholic Church and Conversion, by G.K. Chesterton

Also see, on Ignatius Insight:





TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: blessedvirginmary; catholic; chesterton
Chesterton treats both sides of this question fairly in my opinion.
1 posted on 10/07/2011 7:22:19 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Jo Nuvark
Author Page for G.K. Chesterton

Ping!

2 posted on 10/07/2011 7:23:38 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; Absolutely Nobama; Elendur; it_ürür; Bockscar; Mary Kochan; Bed_Zeppelin; ...

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.


3 posted on 10/07/2011 7:24:36 PM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Catholic Ping!


4 posted on 10/07/2011 7:25:30 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: narses

A moving prayerful devotion which I never tire of seeing.

Thanks:)


5 posted on 10/07/2011 7:34:41 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: Salvation

Thanks so very much! This is wonderful!


6 posted on 10/07/2011 7:40:33 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Salvation

Ah, what Chesterton could do on a forum such as this.


7 posted on 10/07/2011 7:44:27 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: Jvette

LOL! Like talk the socks off some people?


8 posted on 10/07/2011 7:46:41 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
Chesterton treats both sides of this question fairly in my opinion.

More than fair -- he's charitable.

Bump.

9 posted on 10/07/2011 7:59:17 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Chuckle.....

Also, as one FReeper said to me, Chesterton did not suffer fools gladly.


10 posted on 10/07/2011 8:08:21 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Jvette
Ah, what Chesterton could do on a forum such as this.

Not much I'm thinkin'...Not as long as you have Bible Believers on one side while you have Catholics on the other...Chesterton's machinations do not trump the scriptures...

11 posted on 10/07/2011 9:50:02 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Salvation

LOL


12 posted on 10/08/2011 2:58:12 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: Iscool

Catholics ARE Bible believers, as well as Bible compilers. Chesterton would’ve been an admirable addition to this board, all the way around.


13 posted on 10/08/2011 5:20:23 AM PDT by sayuncledave (et Verbum caro factum est)
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To: Salvation

“I want it to be what the Protestants are perfectly right in calling it; the badge and sign of a Papist. “

That’s not what they call it. Mariolatry is the term.


14 posted on 10/08/2011 5:46:15 AM PDT by RoadTest (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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To: Jvette
On my way to work each day I pray the Rosary. I love the time it allows me to devout myself to God. I know it gives me great grace and peace to get me through the day.

I remember Archbishop Fulton Sheen once saying to a woman, who complained that the Rosary is a redundant prayer, in one of his speeches, "How often do you say I love you to your husband?" "Is that redundant?"

I keep that in mind always.

Blessings to you on this month of Marian devotion.

15 posted on 10/08/2011 5:50:27 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Northern Yankee

Amen!!


16 posted on 10/08/2011 6:07:32 AM PDT by johngrace (1 John 4!- which is also declared at every sunday mass.)
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To: Northern Yankee

Amen!!


17 posted on 10/08/2011 6:07:35 AM PDT by johngrace (1 John 4!- which is also declared at every sunday mass.)
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To: RoadTest; Salvation

Mariolatry? care to define this term?


18 posted on 10/08/2011 8:13:25 AM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Iscool

Yawn.

See post #10.


19 posted on 10/08/2011 8:33:45 AM PDT by Jvette
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To: Northern Yankee

Last night the kids of our church said a living rosary.

Afterwards we gathered for cookies and punch.

What a marvelous uplifting of hearts and minds in prayer.

I think the story you relate with Archbishop Sheen occurred on a plane ride. The woman was in the seat next to him and commented because he was praying the rosary.

Chesterton would have been an admirer Sheen.


20 posted on 10/08/2011 8:36:46 AM PDT by Jvette
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To: Salvation

God chose Mary for Jesus to come into this world.
Jesus chose Mary for us before leaving the world, ‘Behold thy mother’.
No human being has been so blessed.
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you.
Thank you God for giving us Mary our mother.


21 posted on 10/08/2011 8:44:15 AM PDT by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Iscool

Imagine what Paul could do on a forum such as this. They would prance in, but limp out...Chesterton included.


22 posted on 10/08/2011 8:44:58 AM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: Iscool
Not much I'm thinkin'...Not as long as you have Bible Believers on one side while you have Catholics on the other...Chesterton's machinations do not trump the scriptures...


23 posted on 10/08/2011 8:47:28 AM PDT by Hacksaw (I don't hate Mormons. Is that okay?)
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To: smvoice
Imagine what Paul could do on a forum such as this.

Is that the guy who taught Jesus the Gospel?

24 posted on 10/08/2011 8:49:00 AM PDT by Hacksaw (I don't hate Mormons. Is that okay?)
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To: Hacksaw

No, that’s the guy Jesus taught the Gospel of the grace of God to.


25 posted on 10/08/2011 8:53:43 AM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: Iscool

Chesterton and ALL Catholics believe in SCripture. You know, I doubt that Chesterton would even give some protestants the time of day.

He didn’t bear insults well.

(And for your information — neither does God.)

You will eventually have to answer for all your insults to the Blessed Virgin Mary. After all, she was the Mother of Christ, God Incarnate!


26 posted on 10/08/2011 9:01:51 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RoadTest

We don’t worship Mary and neither did Chesterton.


27 posted on 10/08/2011 9:03:01 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: smvoice

I don’t see where St. Paul would differ from Catholic beliefs at all.

Protestants just tend to read him differently. And remember, that Luther chanced some words in those Scriptures.

You need to check out the Vulgate that was finished in the year 404 by St. Jerome.


28 posted on 10/08/2011 9:05:28 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Iscool; RoadTest; smvoice; Hacksaw

"Never apologize for the

Blessed Virgin Mary!"

~~Mother Angelica

 

Mother Angelica and Marcus Grodi with Rosalind Moss and Kristine Franklin


29 posted on 10/08/2011 9:11:19 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ex-snook; Salvation
>> No human being has been so blessed.<<

Jesus disagrees with you.

Lk 11:27-28 27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

30 posted on 10/08/2011 9:25:46 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: smvoice
Imagine what Paul could do on a forum such as this. They would prance in, but limp out...Chesterton included.

Don't we know it...Might even be a few of 'em get saved...

31 posted on 10/08/2011 9:26:07 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Iscool

Catholics are saved at their Baptism. Born again to a new life.


32 posted on 10/08/2011 9:30:33 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: CynicalBear

That scripture is one I am familiar with. However, Jesus never would have been able to utter those words, had it not been for the Mother of God made Man, the Blessed Virgin Mary.


33 posted on 10/08/2011 9:31:55 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
Chesterton and ALL Catholics believe in SCripture. You know, I doubt that Chesterton would even give some protestants the time of day.

Chesterton means nothing to me...Just another heretic in a long line of 'em...

You will eventually have to answer for all your insults to the Blessed Virgin Mary. After all, she was the Mother of Christ, God Incarnate!

I have never insulted Mary...It is you guys who insult Mary...Making a deity out of her...Bowing and praying to her...Putting her on a throne in heaven...Telling each other that Mary provides the grace that only Jesus can give...

34 posted on 10/08/2011 9:35:42 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Religion Moderator
I am requesting that this thread be locked because some of the particpants are not adhering to the rules for posting on an Ecumenical thread and are being antagonistic.

Guidelines for Ecumenical Threads

35 posted on 10/08/2011 9:38:08 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2789651/posts?page=10#10

Chesterton did not bear fools gladly — and neither do Ecumenical threads bear those who wish to be antagonistic gladly.

Good-bye all!


36 posted on 10/08/2011 9:40:29 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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