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To: Dutchboy88

If you decide to say no to Christ, you have resisted grace. Whether it is real grace or not, I’ll leave it up to the Calvinists and God to settle. If you say yes and continue to cooperate with grace, you will be saved—the sacraments are a part of the cooperation with grace. Semi-pelegian holds that after an initial cooperation with grace (sinner’s prayer anyone?) no additional grace is needed. I don’t see how stating that there is a need for cooperating with á continual stream of grace’ can be labelled semi-pelegian unless one is ignorant of what the term means.


34 posted on 10/10/2011 3:17:50 PM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Hieronymus; djrakowski
"If you decide to say no to Christ, you have resisted grace. Whether it is real grace or not, I’ll leave it up to the Calvinists and God to settle. If you say yes and continue to cooperate with grace, you will be saved—the sacraments are a part of the cooperation with grace. Semi-pelegian holds that after an initial cooperation with grace (sinner’s prayer anyone?) no additional grace is needed. I don’t see how stating that there is a need for cooperating with á continual stream of grace’ can be labelled semi-pelegian unless one is ignorant of what the term means."

So much error, so little time. If I say "yes", then you have not determined whether that "yes" was unaided or compelled by God. If it was compelled by God, but you could not "feel" it, has it then not occurred? And, notice, here comes the actions of men to secure the salvation (sacraments). Grace is supplanted by "religion" in Rome.

I am well aware of what Pelagian & Augustine argued over those many centuries ago. I am also aware that semi-pelagianism was considered the unaided will determining for itself whether grace was to be accepted or rejected. This used to be considered heresy even by the Roman organization...until it became apparent what it meant to man's control. May want to revisit the argument to catch the subtleties.

And, in John 16 there is simply no part of the matter Jesus is describing that rests upon a man. But, then that would require a knee bent to the Scriptures...not Rome. The beauty of the Gospel is that no one, no organization, no group, no ceremony, no man's will may supply the work of the Holy Spirit blowing His saving wind wherever He wishes it to go. And, no apostle ever joined a group after it began to blow. Please read the text. Rome just showed up late for the party (250 years late?) and beat others into submission...for some 1250 years.

39 posted on 10/10/2011 4:34:07 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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