Skip to comments.Mormon Hypocrisy
Posted on 10/13/2011 5:52:58 PM PDT by Gamecock
I subscribe to a Mormon apologetic Newsletter titled FAIR (Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research).
Normally it falls into my junk email account and I don't even open it, but today I had a few minutes and scanned the latest offering and was stunned to see the hypocrisy of the authors. Please note the entire email is posted below.
This particular issue has a great deal of whining about those mean Christians who make the spurious claim that Mormons are not Christians, but are a cult.
A couple of examples:
-"Mormons are a cult" epithets into the national spotlight. In his "On Faith" commentary this week, Church Public Affairs managing director Michael Otterson suggests why people make such claims and shares his own experience of being labeled not Christian.
Calling Mormonism a cult is old hat, and the voters are yawning.
-Texas Gov. Rick Perry's minister ally Robert Jeffress might think Mitt Romney's church is a cult, but a new documentary on the presidency and Mormonism suggests that Romney could snag the nation's top job despite the religious feud between Christians.
-....the "cult" of Mormonism means that you raise a solid family, work hard, make money and do good for the greater community of mankind, then by all means pass the Kool-Aid.
-It seems just too petty and small for a country as big as America to have. America, as a melting pot of many cultures and many beliefs, is supposed to be more tolerant of differences.
-Another woman in Texas remembers that her LDS congregation was banned from participating in a community-wide Christmas event and that non-Church members once barged into Sunday meetings shouting that Mormons were cult members and devil worshippers.
The reader will note, when comparing the above quotes with the below article, that the quotes originate from the MSM. Why would the MSM, a known enemy of Christianity, care if Christians consider Mormons a cult or not? I suggest that these quotes are really more of an attack on Christianity than some deep concern for Mormons. Notice how when Mormons talk family values the press fawns over them. When Christians do the same we are are intolerant of other lifestyles.
That being said, consider the above quotes. Christians who deny Mormons mainstream status are bigoted, intolerant, etc. But ask your self this: are Mormons not intolerant when they make the following claim: that Joseph Smith unearthed a book of golden plates from a New York hillside in 1827 with the help of an angel and translated hieroglyphics that detailed the true Christian faith.
So Mormons don't want to be Christians, but rather the "true Christian faith." Isn't that just a bit intolerant?
I suspect what is really going on here is that in reality the MSM sees Romney as a palatable Republican. They don't really care about Mormons, but are afraid of Cain and Perry.
Take a few minutes and scan the below and see what other nuggets jump out at you. There are more than a couple.
For your ping lists.
Catholics are used to being called the whore of Babylon, but Mormons teach that both Catholics AND Protestants are the whore of Babylon. it’s good to have company.
Were I a Mormon, I’d not worry.
Consider the sources.
There are blithering idiot “leaders” in every religion.
However, Muzzies appear to have the commanding lead in this area.
Good ol’ Christian tribalism: “You must have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ...as long as it’s identical to mine.”
Of course there’s the God had sex with Mary, Satan is the brother of Jesus, denial with the Trinity, and other charming Mormon beliefs that cast is far outside the camp..
When I hear the doorbell at 7am and find a bunch of latter day saints on the door step, I ask “what time is it”?
I get the response, ‘7 am’ and I say..
“Well then...come back latter in the day”! *door slam*
This isn't particularly well-worded, but I think it's saying that discussing whether the Mormon leadership was involved in the Mountain Meadows Massacre constitutes religious intolerance.
This is a matter of historical interest and can be settled, at least to some extent, by standard historical methods.
The answer, BTW, is that local Mormon leadership organized and led the MMM. The only question is whether Brigham Young in SLC ordered the massacre or just did everything he could to cover it up after the fact.
It also seems to me that the MMM itself was a better example of religious intolerance than any debate today over who was responsible. Considering the Mormons killed more Gentiles in this single massacre than all the Mormons killed by Gentiles during their persecution in the Middle West.
It doesn't make someone a hypocrite to claim that his religion is the "one true" version and complain when other people say that his isn't. If you believe you're right then when other people say you're wrong that should get you at least a bit upset.
The question here is whether a voter can support a candidate of a different faith. In a pluralistic society such as ours it is almost mandatory. If each voter only voted for candidates of like faith then we would soon be Balkanized.
The hit against Mormons goes like this: "Well I don't mind that they have a different faith, but they lie when they say they are Christians and I won't vote for a liar."
But even between Christian faiths such as Catholicism, Orthodox, and the various Protestant faiths there are members who claim that the other faiths are not Christian. There are Protestants who believe that Catholics are not Christian, but pagan. There are Catholics that believe that Protestants are heretics. For some reason we no longer here about those disputes. The relatively few people that hold these intolerant views are by-and-large not given a microphone when they address large crowds.
I believe that Mormonism is close enough to certain forms of Christianity that Mormons do not lie when they call themselves Christians. Are Christian Scientists not Christian? They don't believe in the actual physical Christ. There are those that claim that because of this for Christian Scientists Christ never really suffered and died for our sins, therefore Christian Scientists are not Christian. It seems to me that Mormons who believe that Christ existed as a real person are at least one up on Christian Scientists in this regard.
Also, what about all of the Christians that believe that no one is a true Christian if they believe that abortion is OK or homosexual marriage is OK even if they have been attending a Christian church all of their life? Voters who oppose such candidates seldom say "He is a liar when he says he is a Christian." Rather they say "His position on abortion/gay marriage is wrong and un-Christian."
Mitt believes he is a Christian. He seems to be living a life that is well within the bounds of a typical Christian lifestyle. His main defects are his support for Romney/Obamacare and his waffling in general. I'd call him a liar based on the changing of his positions on abortion before I'd call him a liar based on him calling himself a Christian.
Mormonism is more than “un-Christian”. It’s ANTI-Christian.
This is a “religion” that gets its beliefs in supposed books of gold found by someone in the woods of New York and he translated the books as the word of God. Of course, the books have disappeared since then. Sorry, this is a cult.
You're partially right, but you're off on one point. While it is true that the MSM considers Romney slightly more palatable than Cain or Perry, that will not stop them from tearing him to shreds the moment, I mean the very nanosecond, he is (God forbid) confirmed as the Republican nominee.
Once that happens, any nice things they have said about Mormonism will go right into the memory hole and a full scale assault on every controversial aspect of LDS Church history will hit every MSM outlet because they want the Republicans to lose and they will use any weapon they can grasp to make that happen.
Every election the same thing happens, and it amazes me that so many people fall for it each time. Dole was positioned by the MSM and the Republican candidate as "inevitable". They said nice things about him until he was nominated, then suddenly the narrative switched to every flaw (real or imagined) they could present. The same thing happened with Bush, the same thing happened with McCain, and the same thing is bound to happen if we nominate Romney.
Romney has a wide variety of flaws that already make him unpalatable to Conservatives. A full court, in depth expose of Mormonism and it's controversial past will destroy him.
You call it lies. I call it research.
You call it research, but look up ‘Ohio Decalogue Stones’ and don’t stop reading at the :DS version, read right through the refutation of the LDS claims. It is becoming common for LDS inc to respond to scientific refutations of their claims with ‘you see the data one way, we see it another way; let’s agree to disagree’.
Can't recall any "tribe" that promoted magic underwear, celestial marriages or being temple worthy in order to go to heaven? Only a cult would attach that kind of garbage to a free gift of salvation.
I see that PD has found work!
Oh, I no longer get either Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses. I think they’ve put a mark on my door or something. The last few times they did come by, I came out on the doorstep and courteously preached Orthodox Christianity to them, pointing out the errors of their respective confessions as I did so.
They went away with the oddest expressions on their faces.
I strongly suggest the method, whatever confession of Christianity (or non-Christian religion) you adhere to: just preach to them when they turn up and after a while, they stop.
How is it anti-Christian? They prosyletize, but so do Catholics and Protestants.
When was the last time the Mormons made statements disparaging any Christian faith or committing acts against any Christian faith?
That said, Mormon or no Mormon, MITT ROMNEY is a loser. And if that "conservative" talk radio freak from Boston, Jay Severin thinks that "Romney is the most conservative electable candidate out there", hence we NEED to vote for him, then Jay Severin is also one of those old school establishment freaks who cannot see that America has changed, and changed radically. Hence, the RULES have to change radically as well. Why Romney??? He developed the very prototype of Obamacare and rammed it down the throats of people from Massachusetts. No health plan? Then get fined, or go to jail. And Severin says that Romney "is a constitutionalist". America has never been in such dire straits before, this is a new kind of political warfare we fight in America, because there is a definate spiritual aspect to it. If people can't see that, then they become stuck in 'old school' politics, and often dig up quotes from traditional conservative leaders like Buckley. But even Buckley would change his views could he see what's going on in the US today. WE'VE ALREADY BEEN TAKEN OVER PEOPLE. THE FIGHT ISN'T A DEFENSIVE ONE ANYMORE, AMERICA HAS LOST TO THE COMMUNISTS. WE MUST NOW FIGHT ON THE BOLD POLITICAL OFFENSIVE. NO MORE "VOTE FOR THE LESSER OF THE TWO EVILS". That tactic has finally won the day for evil, because that tactic would eventually just make all the candidates "evil", leaving us to have to talk to a moral theologian to figger out whom to vote for.
So screw you Jay, you pussy hound freak, I hope Rush dumps you from his station faster than you can say: "Jay Severin got fired,.... A-G-A-I-N, for his massive STUPIDITY.
“When was the last time the Mormons made statements disparaging any Christian faith or committing acts against any Christian faith? “
The foundation of moronism is Joseph Smith’s false claim that angels told him every Christian Church is false.
It continues to promote that message today - 24 hours a day - around the world - using 50,000 “missionaries”
to tell all Christians, of every kind that their Church is wrong, their Bible is falsely translated, etc.
Every day. All day. Every Christian Church. Worldwide.
Mormons rarely if even have any great intellects (nobel laureates; philosophers; sculptors; painters; astronomers, poets; writers; theologians; authors; statesmen; or historians) of any note who embrace this religion. It is a belief system no different from Islam except the former is civilized and the latter barbaric.
I'd like to see some proof that that happened.
By all means Mormons, stress how "good" you are and see how far that gets you. No amount of "good" is going to get anyone in Heaven or make one worthy of God's Grace.
If being "good" were the qualifier to get into Heaven, only dogs would go there.
Now we are suppose to look for similarities, not our differences. . . . . . /s
He can hang a mercedes-benz symbol around his neck - that won't make him a car.
The Catholic Church is an ongoing nightmare of corruption, pagan ritual and kowtowing to an imperfect human agent.
At least some folks believe one or both of these statements. Yet somehow most Protestants are not anti-Catholic and most Catholics are not anti-Protestants.
It seems that only people that are aggressively anti-Mormon are evangelical Protestants who have just as many problems with their interpretations of scripture as the Mormons, the biggest one of all being their claim that their beliefs require absolutely no interpretations.
He might get a few votes from the hip-hop crowd, though.
Every time the missionaries tell the prospective convert that their church (and Christianity in general) is apostate and the only true church is mormon.
I'd like to know how many archeologists that are Mormon. Its got to be frustrating not finding any evidence to corroborate the book of Mormon.
The fact that the LDS leadership (most if not all) is aware of the problems in their history, teachings, and doctrines and the evidence against it, yet rather than adress those issues or admit problems, they whitewash, cover up and flat out lie to the membership makes it lies, not just ‘research’.
I spent almost a year, nearly full time, researching Mormonism trying to prove the ‘anti-Mormons wrong, I even had access through a professor at BYU (who was the son of the then LDS prophet) to resources that are not that common and difficult to obtain access to in SLC. What I discovered was the ‘antis’ weren’t the ones lying, the LDS leaders were, the LDS ‘apologists’ were.
Also, the membership lies (both by omission and comission) about their beliefs, teachings and history. The more obscure things, much of the Membership (esp outside the LDS) is unaware of (like that Pratt taught vegetables have spirits or we forgot the pre-existence because our spirits were compressed when we were born), but many of the more outrageous doctrines (God had sex with Mary, Jesus was married and probably a polygamist, we can become Gods, Christ only died so we could be resurrected - not to pay for sins, God lives near a planet called Kolob, Christian churches are the ‘whore of babylon’, Jesus and Lucifer are sprit brothers (first and second born) and Lucifer also applied to be the Savior, the LDS temple apron that they wear represents the priesthood of Lucifer) are common and accepted beliefs of LDS.
Then the Catholics are anti-Christian for telling people that the Protestants are heretics, and Protestants are anti-Christian for telling people that Catholics are pagans.
I guess that means most Christians are anti-Christian.
So maybe the Mormons are also Christian because they are also anti-Christian just like all the other Christians.
If Romney gets the nomination it will be the first time we have a guy running that thinks he is going to be a God versus one that already thinks he is one.
“Good ol Christian tribalism:
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Certainly that is Mormonism, but they aren’t Christians.
All Christian churches agree on the basics, including the person work and nature of Jesus Christ. Mormons however, not only reject the basics, they twist them into forms no Christian would recognize or accept if they understand how the LDS redefine basic words (God, Saved, Heaven, Hell, Grace).
And the LDS are aware they have different terms, yet word things specifically to deceive Christians.
I think that you may be missing the larger point that the more exposure this debate gives to people about the LDS church, whether critical commentary or not, will inevitably lead to more LDS church investigators and an accelerated growth rate for the church. Increased opposition leads to faster growth. Go figure.
So, a special thanks to you and your ping list for doing your part.
At the same time, I must agree with you, however, that Romney is a RINO unworthy of nomination.
I invite them over for dinner, LDS missionaries are notoriously hungry. That way they set aside a whole evening for you and they are too polite to leave.
I never let them pray, rather I respond with ‘good idea’ and either my husband or I pray instead. We discuss and debate and at the end of the evening, when they get to giving their “LDS testimony” I respond with my testimony countering each of their points.
After the last time I did this, they crossed on the other side of the street rather than walk past our house for almost 3 years.
Christian conservatives knew that Obama did not belong to their faith and they voted accordingly.
They’ll do the same when they decline to vote for Romney.
There just isn’t anything in core Mormonism that comes from Torah/Tanakh.
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Not really, no, but when I was LDS I was taught (and believed until I learned otherwise through study) that the LDS temple rituals are THE SAME as the ones from the Jewish temple.
I was deceived on a few occasions by evangelical proslyetizers. Their chief mode of operation was to create "Christian" groups that appeared from the outside to welcome all Christians. Over time they would use deceit and half truths to disparage anyone that belonged to an established church (Methodist, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Catholic, etc.) The goal was to get everyone to break from the "faith of their fathers" and join a local "non-denominational" church.
I would concede that evangelical religious beliefs by-and-large are closer to Christian orthodoxy than those of Mormons, but their beliefs regarding biblical authorship and science are so whacko that they make Mormon beliefs seem downright sensible.
I reluctantly voted for McCain (rather than against Obama) because he is a war hero, he has experience, and the economy was going to hell. I also liked his running mate.
If you believe that most Christian conservatives voted against Obama because they believed him to be a secret Muslim or a secret atheist then you are in a minority group so small that you could hold meetings in a room no larger than a walk-in closet.
Then according to your (about) third paragraph you know nothing of mormonISM.
A Christian conservative could NEVER vote for him, regardless of party, ideology or handsome good looks because of his faith.
For a Christian conservative, being a CHRISTIAN comes before being a conservative.
He is not a Christian, and belongs to a faith that preaches hatred and anger from the pulpit. Every Christian who knew that about him could recognize that he wasn’t a Christian.
You may have voted for a war hero based on the economy.
I voted AGAINST a man who belongs to a false faith and who probably is a Muslim. I’m a Christian conservative. You’re not a Christian conservative.
Move along, now...
mormonISM is NOT Christianity.
What are you?