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Posted on 10/13/2011 5:52:58 PM PDT by Gamecock
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I suppose those same people would just say, there are many roads to heaven, as long as you believe in something. yikes.
If Religious CULT does not matter, the next step will be ISLAM. Will people still say religion/a belief doesn’t matter?
I suppose those same people would just say, there are many roads to heaven, as long as you believe in something. yikes.
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I had a guy on here just a few days ago although he says he’s a Christian, say that all roads lead to heaven and the Bible is the word of Man. When pressed, he wouldn’t give more detail just vague responses.
I have also seen many Freepers who say Mitt’s religion doesn’t matter, yet complain about our Muslim POTUS. Dissonance much?
I think you meant 'true'. ;^)
LOL. Yeah I did. Sigh. I’m a little under the weather today. :(
The RCC, of course, as everybody knows, see their RCC traditions as that highest authority, traditions which establishes the Papacy as that highest authority. It is not the Bible alone, Papists add their traditions with the Bible as their authority.
As a “Papist” myself, i know none of this to be true. The Papacy nor traditions are the highest authority. The highest authority is the revealed Word of God, whether written down as Scripture or orally taught by the Apostles.
i would be careful about saying “as everybody knows” and then making a fool of yourself.
let me leave with a question to meditate on, since the Bible does not contain an inspired table of contents, how do you know which books are Scripture and which are not if not by Catholic tradition?
Modern Judaism would take issue with what I said too. And their response would be similar to yours. They would say they believe in the “word of God,” meaning the Old Testament.
A Muslim would say he believes in the Old Testament. And Mormons say they believe in “the word of God.”
Sure they do, but the question is, is it their ONLY written authority? No, modern Judaism, Islam, and Mormonism have additional authoritative writings which they hold equal to, or in some cases, even superior to the Bible.
As to yourself, if there isn’t any different between Papists and Protestants, why the division between us? Obviously, it is because Protestants do not see all the stuff Papists believe in the Bible.
Such things as the body of Christ having to be in subjection to Papal Rome, Popes , Priests and Nuns, which cannot get married, Mariolatry, Rosary beads, purgatory, a plethora of pagan/Christian holidays, and so on.
Protestants don’t see any of this in the Bible. No problemo to the Papists, their authoritative “traditions” take care of all that. Which traditions are in effect on a par with the other forms of extra-Biblical authority I mentioned.
Not to mention Papists have a different Bible. To gain a sort of one-upmanship on the Protestants, they added the apocraphal books to theirs.
LOL, where to start???
first, you never answered my question on how you know which books are Scripture and which are not? why don’t you have the Gospel of Peter in your Bible? are you following the tradition of men?
as for the Papists having a different Bible, you are correct but you have your history wrong. The books you call the “apocrypha” were included from the very first canon put together by the Church in the 4th century. The Greek Septuigant ( the Bible of the Apostles ) contained these books. when the Protestants came along in the 16th century, they REMOVED these books from the Bible. every Bible for the previous 12 centuries contained these books, even the original King James Bible had them. so i am happy to give you this history lesson.....you did make me laugh with your comment on they were added to gain one upmanship on the Protestants, LOL!! so to follow your logic, the Protestants removed the books to try and one up the Church.
Hey, one church (the RCC, that’s what your screen name is getting at I presume, typically Papist), you may be right on the Apocrapha, I don’t know, haven’t put that much effort into it. However, the test Protestants generally use is, if something, say like your Apocraphal books, aren’t specifically quoted by Jesus or any of the NT writers, they do not belong in the Bible.
As to your other thing, that’s an old horse that’s been beat to death here on FR. And answered quite well by others in other threads, in my opinion. To summarize, your presumption is flat out false, must be one of those “traditions” you’ve had drilled into your head, and hold authoritative.
There was no such thing as the Papacy when the NT canon came into being. The Papacy came along centuries later and appropriated it as something they gave to the world. Baloney.
it’s obvious you haven’t put much effort into very much. may i suggest in the future you put some “effort” in checking your statements before you make a fool of yourself again. your “papist” friend.
You are probably twisting the facts on the Apocrapha just like everything else Papists twist - in order to make the Roman Papacy to be the one church (re: your screen name) the rest of us have to be subservient to. But I’ll let the issue lay for the time being.
For a thread that’s supposed to about Mormonism, in which I endeavored to make the point about Mormon extra-biblical authority (their writings), it appears you and I are hijacking it about the Papacy and it’s extra-biblical authority. Bye now, I’m sure you and I will meet on another thread someday.
no twisting of facts my friend. i am glad you realize there is such a concept as “facts”, based on your post on authority in the Papist Church, you seem like you and the facts have never met.
i am sure i will need to correct future fact free posts of yours, since you seem like you don’t know what you don’t know and more importantly, you don’t seem to care what you don’t know. “often wrong, but never in doubt” seems like a good way to describe you.
“God had sex with Mary, Satan is the brother of Jesus, denial with the Trinity,”
Show me in LDS Scriptures where Mormons believe that God had sex with Mary. (I said LDS Scripture.) Show me in the Bible where God did not create Satan. The Bible tells us that we can become joint heirs with Jesus Christ. Jesus claimed to be the Son of God and Peter said so, too. Were they both wrong? Show me in the Bible the reference to the “Holy Trinity”. I believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
P.S. LDS folk are baptized by full immersion. And if it weren’t for my Church, Prop 8 would not have passed in CA. Good night.
Satan is not the brother of Jesus Christ. That is the issue you tried to sidestep by redirection about Satan being created which is not in doubt. Perhaps Elsie has the links handy. Joseph Smith was a false prophet. He contradicts himself on the Garden of Eden, for example.
Jesus said He was God -- and God is ONE. We follow in the tradition of the Jews who believe in the ONE God, not multiple gods (that would deny the monotheistic nature of the Judeo-Christian God.
Now either Jesus is NOT God or He is ONE with the Father and the Holy Spirit, He can't be one of many gods or we have to toss out the Old Testament and all of our Jewish heritage. And, if you say He was not God, just some created being, then He was a liar to say "I am" to equate Himself with God in the ability to forgive sins in His own name.
The scene of Jesus's baptism shows the Father and the Holy Spirit as 3, yet God is One.
The Mormon philosophy of multiple gods negates all of the OT and Christianity.
1. if LDS folk are baptised by full, partial, whatever immersion, they are still not baptised in the name of the ONE God, so it doesn't matter -- it is a Mormon baptism, not a Christian one.
2. If it wasn't for your religion (unfortunately, Mormonism is not a Church, it is a separate religion distinct from Christianity) Prop 8 would not have passed in CA -- thank you.
Mormonism is a separate religion, not Christianity for the simple reason that you do not believe in ONE God and that Jesus is God with the Father. Anything any proposition denies either Judaic belief or that Jesus is God.
This is wrong
There is zero archaeological evidence for Semites in pre-Columbus America, no trace of such cities, no trace of Old World technology among the Mayas, Olmecs, Toltecs, North Americans, nothing. There is no story in Native American history of these Semitic peoples or their customs
The Native American people are genetically not at all Semitic, rather Tungushic
The Native American peoples speak languages which are quite distinct from Semitic -- completely different language families
I'm afraid, Saundra, that J. Smith was the L Ron Hubbard of his day, even positing a fake language like "Reformed Egyptian" (no one ever explains why Israelites who had left Egypt centuries earlier and had their own language and the Aramaic script would use Egyptian -- and the examples of this writing given are little more than scribbles.
(Well... them folks in SpaceLab are ABOVE it....)
We know you did.
Why do YOU disavow all of the TEACHING that MORMON leaders have said about it?
Spirit of Apostacy is POUNDING on your door!
Brigham Young said,
"I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call scripture."
(Journal of Discourses 13:95).
Many of the earliest Christians held to concepts that you would probably consider heretical.
Speaking personally as an atheist, I don't see much difference between doctrines compiled by Catholic bishops in the fifth century and doctrines compiled by Mormon bishops in the nineteenth.
The doctrines existed and were taught, the codification came as a result of the Gnostic twisting of Scripture in very similar ways to the LDS.
Give me an early Christian (not Gnostic) doctrine I would disagree with.
Do you have the reference about Satan, maybe it was Moses 4:1? Thought thered was something in Nephi but didn’t save the reference.
False. the doctrines of trinitarian Christianity were confirmed 300 years after Christ, but they were held from Apostolic times as orthodoxy.
Christians from the beginning held that:
1. Jesus Christ is God
2. Christianity is the fulfilment of Judaism and there is ONE God
Put those two together and you have doctrines that do not hold to Mormonism or Gnostic views
Catholic bishops in the fifth century -- the Nicene Creed dates from the 300s, what are you talking about the 5th century?
Mormon doctrines are:
1. contradictory to the Judaic concept that there is ONE God
2. contradictory to all that Christians or even heretics have believed since Apostolic times
3. Based on a piece of fiction -- that there were Semites in pre-Columbus America
I don't exactly what you mean.
The false premise he is the brother of Jesus - here is one part of the lie - I found it and can post it now.
1 And I, the aLord God, spake unto Moses, saying: That bSatan, whom thou hast commanded in the name of mine Only Begotten, is the same which was from the cbeginning, and he came before me, sayingBehold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will dredeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely eI will do it; wherefore fgive me thine honor.
2 But, behold, my Beloved aSon, which was my Beloved and bChosen from the beginning, said unto mecFather, thy dwill be done, and the eglory be thine forever.
Let me clean it up:
1 And I, the Lord God, spake unto Moses, saying: That Satan, whom thou hast commanded in the name of mine Only Begotten, is the same which was from the beginning, and he came before me, sayingBehold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor.
2 But, behold, my Beloved Son, which was my Beloved and Chosen from the beginning, said unto meFather, thy will be done, and the glory be thine forever.
Smith - it is TBN Bible vs. Joseph Smith tonight at 11pm Pacific - maybe you could post new thread with link for internet viewing - I cannot from this device.
Ping and somebody add links plz to above and/or start new thread.
“Show me in the Bible where God did not create Satan.”
And of course, no one ever said God did not create Satan as good.
What was said was that God did not create Jesus Christ, who is eternally
God, neither created, nor made.
Mormons, in yet another heresy, claim Christ was a created spirit being.
Saundra, if you are really a Christian, come out from among them and be
Hoping someone can start a thread _ internet streaming links are to be found there if somebody can post them too
And if it werent for my Church, Prop 8 would not have passed in CA.
Well I dont know about that
But if it werent for your so called “church” Roe V Wade would not have passed in 1973...
Most Jews do not believe that we are the one true faith,although you have Jews who do believe that. I do not believe that my particular branch of Judaism is superior to the others. I am not so cocky to say that it is.
Others, evidently by the posts that litter this thread, are not quite so modest as you.
More outright Mormon hypocrisy (on Saundra's part). Note Saundra's emphasis that it be "Lds Scripture" (vs. Lds leader statements).
She is implying here that she knows Lds leaders teach that the Mormon god had sex with Mary. Her fallback position then is to stress Lds "scriptures."
You see, Mormons and the Mormon church want to have their cake and eat it, too. They stress to the world that they have a "living prophet" who "whatsoever they shall speak when moved upon by the Holy Ghost shall be scripture, shall be the will the Lord, shall be the mind of the Lord, shall be the word of the Lord, shall be the voice of the Lord..." (Lds "scripture" Doctrines & Covenants 68:4).
But seemingly these days, when we cite the Mormon leaders speaking forth "revelations" that are rather embarrassing for the Mormon grassroots, they toss both their general authorities under the bus and take scissors to D&C 68:4 & remove that from their "scriptures."
Are you kidding? Or uninformed? Every guy who comes to your door disparages Christianity. The very foundation of mormonISM is disparaging Christianity. Every thing they say and do disparages Christianity. [svcw]
Mitt Romney's father's cousin, Marion Romney, was one of the three highest-ranking Mormon leaders in the 1960s. Marion emphasized to Lds missionaries at that time that the so-called "universal apostasy" and "restoration" should be one of the top 3-4 mentions of missionaries when they went door-to-door.
All "universal apostasy" means is an accusation to every Christian and every Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox church that they went AWOL or they were "birthed" from AWOL spiritual parents and therefore are not "legit." IOW, the Mormon church missionaries, trained by the Mormon church and the Romneyites, consider the Christian denominations to be spiritual bastards. Just like the Muslims deem as as "infidels."
You really can't go around labeling us as infidels, apostates, spiritual bastards, Babylon, and the like and consider that a "compliment" or "Kum-ba-yah" Christian harmony, WWFB.
Gamecock is right. The Mormons are out-and-out hypocrites on this. They have been intolerant of the Christian church from the get-go...and yet they scream for tolerance. They have been intolerant from Christians from the get-go...and yet they scream to be recognized as "Christians."
Tell you what. Let's see the mainstream Mormons start to allow all the minority Mormon sect breakaway groups be called "Mormon," too, and then we can talk once they've addressed their own 2-faced hypocrisy.
Of course mormons are aware of this - and it just goes to show the bipolar nature of mormon belief. I'll bet most anything that SD along with other mormons were glued to their tv/computers during the recent general conference - waiting to hear what the latest revelation from 'god' would be uttered. Were mormons to be consistent - they would have paid less attention because these people were only giving their "opinions".
Just as it was abundantly clear that bring'em young taught as DOCTRINE the Adam/God, others taught other 'doctrines' that modern lds reject as opinions. They refuse to face the fact then that by downgrading those 'doctrines' to 'personal opinions' they've also designated those prophets and apostles as false teachers and false prophets.
Follow the prophet - he will never lead you astray is the matra, except of course that their 'false teachings' (as defined by modern lds as 'opinions') lead you astray.
You gonna name names; or just tar everyone with your big brush?
Not just the old PROPHETS leading you astray; but just try following MORMON scripture (D&C 132) That'll get you EXCOMMUNICATED!!!
I can’t wait until the day that Romney concedes the nomination race, so we can be spared further anti-Mormon threads like this.
You mean anti-Mormon threads that demonstrate how Mormons are anti-Christian?
It ain't gonna happen!
We CHRISTIANs are going to CONTINUALLY be exposing the heresy that calls itself MORMONism.
Those deceptive ads, I'm a MORMON that appear as though the state LOTTO Commission paid for them; will soon end. As soon as the SLC bean counters have deduced that they are NOT bringing in more deceived folks, but have actually ALERTED them to the LIES of MORMONism.
Why no, Ma'am; FR is NOT a good place to be learn the things we want you to know about MORMONism.
All that hate is going to eat you up.
I know; I've got teeth marks all over me!
Pardon the possible thread drift, but I see "Native Americans came from Israel about 2500 years ago to what would one day be the United States" as being no more incredible than "Every animal species on Earth is descended from a M/F pair that rode out a flood on a wooden boat 5500 years ago".
1. Proof: Can we prove that Native Americans are not descended from Semitic peoples? yes -- all the proof: historical, linguistic, archaeological, anthropological and genetic point to that
in contrast -- can we prove the there was no flood that threatened to wipe out mankind? -- there is no proof for it, but none against. And specifically tot he point that every animal species -- the Bible says in Genesis 6:20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive not every animal, so of course not the fish. Nor does it specify that every animal species presently on Earth is descended from these, though it is implied.
2. Relevance to dogma -- Let's take Noah's ark's story here. If is it "shown incorrect" does it in any way change Jewish or Christian dogma? No, not really. Is it central to dogma? No.
in contrast to Mormonism, the idea of Semites in pre-Columbus America is central to dogma as that's the theme of the book of Mormon.