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Near-Death Experiences: 30 Years of Research - A neurosurgeon’s perspective
The Epoch Times ^ | October 16, 2011 | Stephanie Lam

Posted on 10/16/2011 1:19:00 PM PDT by NYer

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Eben Alexander talked during the International Association for Near-Death Studies (IANDS) conference about his near-death experience and his interpretation of the phenomenon. (Stephanie Lam/The Epoch Times)
1 posted on 10/16/2011 1:19:04 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
In the Nicene Creed, we pray:

We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen.

Fopr many scientists, it is too difficult to make that leap of faith.

2 posted on 10/16/2011 1:24:09 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

It depends how one’s brain is wired.


3 posted on 10/16/2011 1:25:23 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer) (")
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To: NYer
"There is an element of our consciousness that is not dependent on the brain and that is what was set free, for me, and went on that journey.”

I agree.

4 posted on 10/16/2011 1:25:59 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("Greed" is wanting everything and demanding that somebody else pay for it.)
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To: NYer

I’ve met ~25 people who have had Lazarus Syndromes

Two things are common between them

They are much more at peace with themselves and
They are NEVER afraid of dying again


5 posted on 10/16/2011 1:29:07 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: HangnJudge

In 1970 my mother died for 20 minutes.

Her experience is just as real for her today as it was on the day that it happened.

No longer was she running on faith. Now she *knows*.

She does not fear death or grieve the dead. (She misses them, but doesn’t grieve them. She know they’re alright.)


6 posted on 10/16/2011 1:32:59 PM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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There's a guy who had a head injury diving into the shallow end of the pool. He was a drug salesman. He had no musical training. After his injury, he could sit down at a piano and play music. He says he sees shapes flowing across his field of vision that is the music. The show Ingenious Minds did an episode on him: Derek Amato is one of the world's only acquired savants after a brain injury left him with the amazing ability to play piano, an instrument he had never played before. But now the music never stops and he sees it constantly streaming in front of his eyes. That sounds very much like what the doctor described.
7 posted on 10/16/2011 1:35:03 PM PDT by Kipp
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To: NYer

If this man is not a believer in Christ then his experience was not heaven..


8 posted on 10/16/2011 1:37:25 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: NYer
All matter reduces to electromagnetic waves. May not be the correct and current term but waves nonetheless.

We are electromagnetic waves. Holograms some say. Characters in our Creator's video game, I say.

Right now some little punk in a video arcade somewhere beyond our imagination has unleashed Islamists (political Islam, sharia law advocates) on us. I just hope he's not very skilled. . . .

Besides if there is no life after death none of us will ever know it. Why does it matter except to make us behave just in case?

9 posted on 10/16/2011 1:41:15 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
There is an element of our consciousness that is not dependent on the brain and that is what was set free, for me, and went on that journey.”

Some people think that the body has a soul.
Others think that the soul has a body.
If you believe the latter, then NDE are much more understandable.

10 posted on 10/16/2011 1:45:17 PM PDT by oldbrowser (Democrats have no superego.)
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To: HangnJudge

Thank you for that post. My dad died recently and he was very afraid. He refused to face it. I’ve been so sad about it and so upset that he approached it with fear. I hope, in those last moments, he felt the wonder and peace you describe and that this writer felt.


11 posted on 10/16/2011 1:45:40 PM PDT by Melian ("Where will wants not, a way opens.")
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To: RnMomof7

Christ? How about God the parent of us all and creator of the universe?


12 posted on 10/16/2011 1:48:34 PM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now ( Is the Obama administration a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Marxist-Islamic-terrorist axis?.)
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To: RnMomof7
If this man is not a believer in Christ

What does that mean exactly?

13 posted on 10/16/2011 1:52:58 PM PDT by farmguy
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To: NYer

Let’s be a bit more specific. So, are we saying that in these NDE experiences (of redundancy) the soul left the earthly carcass, went to party on with the angels and their heavenly music (Yanni, John Tesh, Kenny G?) and then returned to the body and related the story to the physical brain?


14 posted on 10/16/2011 1:53:56 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Melian

I just watched a movie on cable called “DMT, Spirit Molecule” that explores this issue. I understand some Doctors are giving their late stage Cancer patients the drug Psilocybin to aid in their anxiety. Johns Hopkins is conducting a study: http://www.bpru.org/cancer-studies/


15 posted on 10/16/2011 2:03:24 PM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: Kipp
I remember about 30 years back there was a guy that had a severe accident and was in coma for a while...when he came out of the coma, he was psychic to a large degree and could tell people things about themselves...he didn't have that ability before the accident and brain injury that he received...I don't believe in the so called psychics but he was very good and attributed his ability to brain injury and some parts of his brain were different after the accident...he was the only one I ever found credible in that area and I don't remember his name...The brain is an incredible organ, much can go wrong with it but we are capable of things we cannot ever know we are capable of. Such as someone lifting a car off a person, or I saw one film of a guy picking up a helicopter off a person trapped in the thing after it crashed...it was a news helicopter, not a big army one. But adrenalin can give you super human strength in some circumstances....Its all very interesting to contemplate....
16 posted on 10/16/2011 2:05:09 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: HangnJudge
They are much more at peace with themselves and They are NEVER afraid of dying again

My uncle was that way. Suffered a stroke that left him crippled and unable to speak clearly for the final 11 years of his life. But he had an extraordinary experience when they thought he was dead, and it left him completely unafraid of death. He spent the last 11 years of his life wishing the day of his death would hasten so he could back to wherever it was he went.

17 posted on 10/16/2011 2:06:26 PM PDT by behzinlea (Perry is the adult in the race. Cain is the prepubescent class clown.)
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To: NYer

They indicate that consciousness is crucial in the determination of physical reality,” Alexander said.


Cogito ergo sum

Wow, he just ‘discovered’ Descart


18 posted on 10/16/2011 2:07:07 PM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: NYer

Those “walking towards the bright light” phenomenon are going to end once the incandescent bulb ban takes effect. Heck, so are “good idea” bubbles.


19 posted on 10/16/2011 2:09:32 PM PDT by Krankor (Electrical banana Is gonna be a sudden craze Electrical banana Is bound to be the very next phase)
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To: RnMomof7

Didn’t Jesus say in His fathers house are many mansions. Perhaps not being a believer doesn’t mean you cannot go to other mansions that he created..Some NDE involved Jesus or ones sensing of God and light, some do not....Its a big universe....jmho others have had hellish experiences in NDE and it changed their lives...


20 posted on 10/16/2011 2:09:35 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Gadsden1st

That is interesting; made from mushrooms. I wonder what it would have done for my dad. Thank you for sending me this.


21 posted on 10/16/2011 2:10:10 PM PDT by Melian ("Where will wants not, a way opens.")
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To: RnMomof7
If this man is not a believer in Christ then his experience was not heaven.

My uncle wasn't a religious man, but wherever he went to was pretty nice.

And my experience with many of the Jesus-praising religious nuts who attack everybody else for not being quite in their league leads me to conclude they can HAVE their damned heaven all to themselves.

What a bunch of miserable, narrow-minded, self-righteous snobs.

22 posted on 10/16/2011 2:12:38 PM PDT by behzinlea (Perry is the adult in the race. Cain is the prepubescent class clown.)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
It depends how one’s brain is wired.

That seems true in the case of savants. It is certainly true in the case of those who have experienced altered wiring due to trauma or disease.

I think of the rest of us as being burdened with “governors” much like those for vehicles.

23 posted on 10/16/2011 2:15:36 PM PDT by frog in a pot (Their bible calls for either our conversion or our death - how and when has that changed ?)
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To: Kipp

Synaesthesia. It’s more common than you think, most cases are lifelong. It’s particularly notable in creative fields. Start looking at the language to describe music and color, you’ll begin to notice the crossed senses of the words and themes. Color has sound and vice versa, many more differing examples than that as well.

That said, I suspect the byline of Durham, NC is due to the presence of The Rhine Institute there. I’ve become uncomfortable with the intentions of that place in the past decade or so, after having something of an association with it prior.

That’s not to cast doubt upon the validity of their research, just the purpose of it. Friendly to orthodox Christianity are words I would not use to describe them.


24 posted on 10/16/2011 2:16:49 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: NYer

I know I’m going to get slammed probably, but when the brain mixes senses so you can hear what you see, isn’t that what LSD is described as?

I wonder if certain brain diseases push this beyond a dose of drugs to the point it puts the brain into a mode where all the syntaxes are actually working so well together we can’t yet understand.

I wish I understood some of the science this man knows so I’d love to read his work. I bet he has some insights into the massive syntax connections working to make you see music as colors. Or to instantly know how to play an instrument.

Kind of reminds me of that movie with Albert Brooks where when you die they send you on or back in another life. The only way you move on is if your brain usage has increased enough. Pretty funny too.


25 posted on 10/16/2011 2:17:17 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Romney as president will just destroy the country slower than Obama.)
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To: Fledermaus

“Defending Your Life” is a great movie. Rip Torn explains to Albert Brooks about how the lawyers in that dimension call them “Little Brains” because they use so little of their brain power....


26 posted on 10/16/2011 2:20:45 PM PDT by wolf24
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To: NYer

“I am but a poor soul, burdened with a lifeless body.”

-Epictetus


27 posted on 10/16/2011 2:21:20 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: behzinlea

Yep. Me too. Put me on the “not going to heaven list”.

Whereever it is, I hope I get a table near the John. It looks like it is going to be very crowded.


28 posted on 10/16/2011 2:22:07 PM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: Gadsden1st

I can remember being offered Psilocybin from the popsicle man when I was a kid. The 60’s was quite a decade.

When my time comes, and if I am anxious, I am reaching for the morphine and a good cigar.


29 posted on 10/16/2011 2:26:56 PM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: wolf24

Thanks, I was having a brain block myself on the name of the movie.


30 posted on 10/16/2011 2:27:47 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Romney as president will just destroy the country slower than Obama.)
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To: NYer

I attended this Rhine Inst. lecture and heard him when he presented at IANDS,(International Assoc. for Near Death Studies) annual conference last month. It’s a great experience he describes. My experience was similar to his, meningitis to a coma.

He was a neurosurgeon at Harvard Hospital for 17 yrs. Did Med School and Residency here at Duke.

He was put up for adoption by his parents who had him while they were in high school. He had no idea that they went on to marry and have several children. He met his birth parents for the first time after his NDE and had them at the IANDS lecture. Funny thing, during his NDE he met this beautiful woman. Ends up it was his birth sister whom he had never met and died a few years earlier. He recognized her by a picture provided by the family.


31 posted on 10/16/2011 2:34:50 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Fledermaus

Mankind as a whole percieves objective reality in the manner that it does because the senses we possess provide the perception. There are those who don’t quite perceive objective reality in quite the same manner. Some deal with it constructively, even creatively. Some don’t, and some descend into dysfunction to the point that sanity is suspect. This can be a lifelong condition or it can be induced, by trauma, psychoactives or other forms of intervention. What it means, well, I’ll have to say I don’t know, but religion has it right that there is as much or more unseen than there is seen, imho.


32 posted on 10/16/2011 2:43:49 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
"Besides if there is no life after death none of us will ever know it. Why does it matter except to make us behave just in case?"

Ahhhhh my friend, I must tell you that you are SO wrong here. Of course we know it. It isn't just that the Bible tells us that we are spiritual beings first and foremost (and of course, I believe the Bible unswervingly), but there have been countless thousands of NDE's documented over many years. I've read several books on the topic; the experiences bear striking similarities no matter the person's race, age, ethnic background, country of origin, etc.

Yes, there is definitely life after death, and it is incumbent upon us to follow God's law but not "just in case"; we do it because our spirit beings long to be with Him and long to commune with Him. Those who either ignore this or claim not to know it seek that fulfillment in many destructive ways, never seeming to realize what they are really missing in this life. This life, the next.....inextricably intertwined.

33 posted on 10/16/2011 2:44:07 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: 240B

Yes it will be crowded, but you may not like the company very much.

http://www.neardeathsite.com/storm.php


34 posted on 10/16/2011 2:47:52 PM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: oldbrowser
Some people think that the body has a soul. Others think that the soul has a body.

C.S. Lewis said something similar. He said we have a body, we are a soul.

35 posted on 10/16/2011 2:49:01 PM PDT by Vor Lady (Everyone should read The Importance of the Electoral College by Geo. Grant)
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To: behzinlea

I’m a Christian and by no means perfect. Evidently you are though.


36 posted on 10/16/2011 2:52:53 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Melian

Did your father suffer long


37 posted on 10/16/2011 2:56:30 PM PDT by mel (There are only 2 races decent and undecent people)
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To: Melian

Did your father suffer long


38 posted on 10/16/2011 2:56:40 PM PDT by mel (There are only 2 races decent and undecent people)
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To: tired&retired

Wow .... what an amazing story. Thank you so much for sharing.


39 posted on 10/16/2011 3:05:53 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: RightOnline
Are there any NDEs where multiple people were involved; to wit, two or more people died and continued together, aware of each other after death? And two or more of them revived to tell exactly the same story?

Yes, I heard of NDE experiences where a single person watched the goings on and described them accurately to the surprise of medical personal, et al.

I made a statement of fact that if there is no life / consciousness / awareness / whatever after death then we will never know it. Period.

40 posted on 10/16/2011 3:06:15 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: mel

Glucose levels in the brain don’t necessarily mean squat. During starvation the brain burns ketone bodies with out any
problems.


41 posted on 10/16/2011 3:08:36 PM PDT by kruss3 (Kruss3@gmail.com)
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42 posted on 10/16/2011 3:22:36 PM PDT by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I used to think of NDE as the Body is hardware that the Soul or software run on. But if we think of the brain and nervous system as just controls and wiring for the soul to operate the body, it opens up all kinds of possibilities.


43 posted on 10/16/2011 3:22:58 PM PDT by omega4179
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Guess I missed the “no” part of your statement....sorry. As for the “multiples” sharing the same scenario simultaneously...not that I know of, and not sure what that would or wouldn’t prove.


44 posted on 10/16/2011 3:34:47 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Marie
Near-Death Experiences: 30 Years of Research - A neurosurgeon’s perspective
‘The day I died’: the dramatic ‘death’ and recovery of pro-life activist Melanie Pritchard
Near-Death Experiences: 30 Years of Research
Seeking Proof in Near-Death Claims (18 Hospitals to study mystery of near-death experiences)
World's Largest-ever Study Of Near-Death Experiences
45 posted on 10/16/2011 3:40:10 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Melian

My father died of a brain tumor last December. It was horrible to say the least and so sudden. I’m still reeling from it in many ways. The tumor took him away from us before his actual death.

Before he became ill, he told me he was not afraid of death, just looked at it as the next big adventure.

Reading stories about NDE’s gives me a measure of comfort. My father was a believer in Christ and I imagine sometimes all of the beauty and wonder he is experiencing now.


46 posted on 10/16/2011 3:40:48 PM PDT by mplsconservative (Impeach Obama Now!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Characters in our Creator's video game, I say.

Could be... We'll know soon...

47 posted on 10/16/2011 3:45:06 PM PDT by GOPJ (Occupy Wall Street Zombies Lastest Chant: 'You Can Have Sex With Animals')
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
You need to read this book. Narratives of the NDEs and also the medical accounts of Dr. Jeffrey Long.

Evidence of the Afterlife:
The Science of Near-Death Experience

Evidence of The Afterlife

It's finally here!  And thanks to the NDErs who made this possible, the book you've all been waiting for! 

Dr. Jeffrey Long, Jody Long, and Paul Perry have teamed up to write this blockbuster book that became an instant bestseller after Dr. Long's appearance on NBC's Today Show.

"Evidence of the Afterlife" is by far the largest scientific study of NDE ever presented, and is based on researching over 1300 NDEs shared with NDERF. This book is scientific in content, yet easy and a delight to read.  The people whose stories are presented span all age groups, races, and religious affiliations and come from all over the world, yet the similarities in their experiences are as awe-inspiring as they are inexplicable.  Using this treasure trove of data, Dr. Long explains how medical evidence fails to explain these reports and why there is only one plausible explanation—that people have survived death and traveled to another dimension.

"Evidence of the Afterlife" is so compelling that it will either validate your existing knowledge or it will heartily challenge your current belief system with nine lines of irrefutable evidence of the afterlife.  There are no explanations, medical or otherwise, that one can reasonably conclude after reading this book except that there is an afterlife!


48 posted on 10/16/2011 3:47:07 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RightOnline

Yes there have been reported group nde’s, here is one example.

http://neardeathsite.com/gibson.php


49 posted on 10/16/2011 3:48:34 PM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: Salvation

A friend of mine gave me that book to read. I didn’t need any convincing as I already believed in life after death but the book was very compelling, it would be hard for anyone to remain a sceptic after reading it.


50 posted on 10/16/2011 3:55:06 PM PDT by HerrBlucher
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