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Would You Attend a Same-Sex Wedding? {ans by Joel Osteen}
Christian Post ^ | 18 Oct 2011 | R Albert Mohler

Posted on 10/18/2011 11:38:34 AM PDT by Cronos

Would you attend a same-sex wedding ceremony? That question was posed recently to Houston pastor Joel Osteen, and Osteen said that he would attend, if the wedding involved friends. This came just after Osteen indicated that he could not perform a same-sex marriage ceremony, since he believes that homosexuality is a sin.

I recently wrote about this exchange, suggesting that Osteen’s position is morally and theologically incoherent. As I said:

This is beyond mere incoherence. It is moral and theological nonsense. More than that, it is a massive statement of ministerial malpractice. . . . You cannot celebrate what you say you know to be sin. You cannot honestly say that same-sex marriage defies the law of God, and then join in the celebration of that ceremony.

In recent days, Uri Scaramanga of “Out of Ur” and Leadership magazine posed the question to readers, using my comments as a point of reference. The question: “Is Al Mohler right? Is attending a same-sex marriage ceremony the same as performing one? Is it ministerial malpractice? What would you do?”

The responses to that question are revealing. I did not, however, argue that attending a same-sex marriage ceremony is the same as performing one, I did say - and I repeat - that it is incoherent and inconsistent to refuse to perform a same-sex marriage ceremony, and then to attend one.

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TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Current Events
KEYWORDS: almohler; culturaldecay; emotionalblackmail; homonaziagenda; homonazism; homosexualagenda; mohler; osteen; samesexmarriage; sin
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1 posted on 10/18/2011 11:38:37 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos
I wouldn't attend a homomarriage. Seems like a no-brainer.
2 posted on 10/18/2011 11:44:04 AM PDT by youngidiot (Hear Hear!)
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To: Cronos

First, Pat Robertson sez that Alzeimers is a “form of death” and now Olsteen sez this. There must be something in the air.


3 posted on 10/18/2011 11:44:04 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Cronos

I was invited to a lesbian co-worker’s wedding. I declined. First, I barely knew her. Second, it would go against every moral fiber of my being to stand in witness to an act against the very name and nature of God.


4 posted on 10/18/2011 11:45:14 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Cronos

No.


5 posted on 10/18/2011 11:45:27 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: Cronos

Osteen’s principal concern is the world of man, of mammon, as represented by the garish rotating globe behind him on his stage. He and his wacko wife are all about themselves. Therefore he performs the swearing in for the new Lesbian Houston Mayor, and gains zoning approval for his new stadium church a few weeks later.


6 posted on 10/18/2011 11:45:35 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Cronos

“Given time, no church, no family, and no individual Christian will escape this question. This will lead, unquestionably, to hard decisions and awkward situations. The time to think about this question is now.”

Chilling to think about, but he is probably right.


7 posted on 10/18/2011 11:46:22 AM PDT by Augustinian monk
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To: Cronos

I don’t know why. But Osteen has given me the creeps since the first time I look at him on tv. He has that slick game show host look to him.


8 posted on 10/18/2011 11:46:50 AM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: Cronos

“Same sex wedding “ is an oxymoron.


9 posted on 10/18/2011 11:47:23 AM PDT by reg45 (I'm not angry that Lincoln freed the slaves. I'm angry that Franklin Roosevelt bought them back.)
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To: Cronos

Gays can’t truly marry in the eyes of God no matter “mans” law says, so no I wouldn’t attend the sham ceremony any more than I would attend a Satanic mass.


10 posted on 10/18/2011 11:50:03 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Cronos

NO
Period.
and the fact that osteen would affirms what I have always thought about osteen. Just another......money changer.


11 posted on 10/18/2011 11:51:10 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: rarestia

The only way I would go is if it involved family..


12 posted on 10/18/2011 11:51:39 AM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: Cronos

Olsteen shows his true Christian belief which is none. But it sure brings in the money to he and his wife for their big house and living like a king.


13 posted on 10/18/2011 11:53:10 AM PDT by YukonGreen
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To: Cronos

Olsteen shows his true Christian belief which is none. But it sure brings in the money to he and his wife for their big house and living like a king.


14 posted on 10/18/2011 11:53:26 AM PDT by YukonGreen
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To: Cronos

Olsteen shows his true Christian belief which is none. But it sure brings in the money to he and his wife for their big house and living like a king.


15 posted on 10/18/2011 11:53:26 AM PDT by YukonGreen
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To: Cronos

I would decline -as a Christian -most certainly if I were a Christian pastor— I would decline. Nowhere -I am aware of in
Scripture is the institution of “marriage” described as a union between two males— or two females —or any other union except between a man and a woman. Polygamy was tolerated but
was never expressed as Gods intention .Moses ,Jesus of Nazareth, and the apostle Paul all three defined “Marriage” as between a man and a woman -and the two shall become one flesh. For a Christian-especially one ordained a Minister of that Sacred Text to accept an invitation to what is NOT “marriage” would lead some to stumble believing it to sanction what God does NOT. I care not what men may say —
it remains fornication—and sin as it is written.It is NO “marriage”


16 posted on 10/18/2011 11:54:57 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Cronos

As a Christian and a Non-Pervert, I would have to say NO!
Do do so only promotes the perversion of homosexuality..


17 posted on 10/18/2011 11:56:20 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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Only if Fred Phelps is invited to attend.


18 posted on 10/18/2011 11:56:24 AM PDT by troy McClure
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To: Cronos

If they were friends or family and I was invited, sure.


19 posted on 10/18/2011 11:57:31 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: yarddog

Most assuredly yes. I have a friend whom I have known since 1st grade. He and I have been best-best friends ever since (sixty years). Thick and thin. It’s an amazing friendship and I believe that it was the finest thing I’ve ever been blessed with.

We even plan to share a plot at the cemetary when the time comes. I’m going to have a little sign on my headstone that says “I’m with stupid”, with an arrow pointing to his side. If he were to marry a man, I would be there with bells on, front row center. Hell, I’d probably be the one to “give him away”. That’s what love is.

(ps: I’m a woman)


20 posted on 10/18/2011 11:59:36 AM PDT by EggsAckley ( There's an Ethiopian in the fuel supply ! !)
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To: Cronos

NO.


21 posted on 10/18/2011 12:01:05 PM PDT by onyx (You're here on FR so, support it! Compiling New Sarah Palin Ping List! Tell me if you want on it!)
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To: Cronos

No!
...And that goes DOUBLE for the bachelor party!


22 posted on 10/18/2011 12:01:23 PM PDT by massmike (Massachusetts:Stopped hanging witches;started electing Kennedys.Coincidence?)
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To: Cronos

I just saw an article posted to FR concerning a “gay marriage” poll. It seemed like a reasonable poll, not one of the “50%” support gay marriage ones. It said that 64% are against it, still not too good, but reasonable. The pro-marriage amendments passed by an average of 67%, most of them coming in the middle of the last decade.

Anyhow the poll said that that 40% of those polled said that marriage was created by man. That isn’t a good sign at all.

Freegards


23 posted on 10/18/2011 12:02:10 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Augustinian monk

“Given time, no church, no family, and no individual Christian will escape this question. This will lead, unquestionably, to hard decisions and awkward situations. The time to think about this question is now.”

It would not be a hard decision at all. The answer is no, period.


24 posted on 10/18/2011 12:04:50 PM PDT by bella1 (As it was in the days of Lot....)
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To: Cronos
No, not even relatives because by doing so one is condoning a morality that is anathema to Catholicism.
25 posted on 10/18/2011 12:08:20 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Cronos
Joel Osteen is a wonderful motivational speaker.

However he does not have a clue
who the creator of the universe is.

He serves Mammon not YHvH.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

26 posted on 10/18/2011 12:13:22 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: bella1

I don’t think Dr. Mohler meant it was a hard theological question but that it could cause people to lose friends, status, etc by towing the biblical-orthodox position.


27 posted on 10/18/2011 12:14:36 PM PDT by Augustinian monk
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To: troy McClure

“Only if Fred Phelps is invited to attend.”

Better: Only if Fred Phelps is invited to officiate.


28 posted on 10/18/2011 12:18:40 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Cronos
Hell NO!

In fact, I have already refused to attend one such faggot mockery of a wedding.

29 posted on 10/18/2011 12:22:47 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: EggsAckley

I would think a friend would not ask me to participate, even by attending something he knew I felt was an abomination, a great sin.


30 posted on 10/18/2011 12:25:48 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Augustinian monk
The time to think about this question is now.

Thinking... OK, done. I won't attend any gay weddings. And I won't attend any church that performs gay weddings.

It's a no-brainer if you actually have moral convictions.

31 posted on 10/18/2011 12:27:15 PM PDT by jboot
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To: EggsAckley

I would disagree with you and refer to the Bible on the definition of ‘love’. We are to love the Lord first before family and friends. When we love someone, we respect their wishes. God has made his position on homosexuality very clear.

Matthew 22:35-39

One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’


32 posted on 10/18/2011 12:34:50 PM PDT by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: Augustinian monk

I’ve lost some good, old friends for not toeing the homo line. It was hard, but if one is willing to compromise their deepest convictions to “keep the peace” then they really have no convictions at all.


33 posted on 10/18/2011 12:37:54 PM PDT by jboot
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To: Augustinian monk

No hard decision here- ya wanna have the life style- have at it, but don’t expect me to support it with my approval. And you better darn well not flaunt it in my face.


34 posted on 10/18/2011 12:43:29 PM PDT by handmade
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To: Cronos

Simply put..NO. I wouldn’t attend. I didn’t attend a wedding for a distant family member who cheated on his wife, left her with two small children and then married the mistress/girlfriend. I see marriage as a sacrament and couldn’t in good conscience attend. Just me...


35 posted on 10/18/2011 12:49:23 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: Cronos

A gay alumni of my kids’ Christian school in California posted a video about his problems at their school and he thinks a dialogue needs to happen at the school.

He’s right about somethings. There was a very negative chapel that linked homosexuality with eating dog poop. I had not heard of the chapel until the video. My son said it made him very uncomfortable.

I think we have to remember that God loves homosexuals. It is the primary goal of the Christian church to show love to one another.

Now, how do you do that at a Christian school. I think that bullying and name-calling, etc should not be tolerated for anyone. I think that all kids should be respected. I think that if someone has an opinion they should be allowed to express it in a safe environment.

I do not think the school has to have a gay club. I don’t think they have to allow gays to take a member of the same sex to a dance. I think the school has a right to say that they believe homosexual acts are sins according to the Bible.


36 posted on 10/18/2011 1:00:16 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Cronos

My daughter and her husband (a very fine Christian man) live in another state in order to finish their schooling. Their landlords are a gay couple, males. They asked me about the advisability of continuing to rent from them after they discovered this fact. I asked in return if the rent was fair, the terms they agreed to were followed, and in general if they had been good landlords. The answer to all questions was yes. They then added that the two had been very kind to them even though they well understood that my daughter and son-in-law were serious Christians who could in no way endorse homosexuality. After a couple of years, with the legalization of same sex marriage in this particular state, the two decided to get “married,” and sent an invitation to my daughter and son-in-law. They declined to attend. They did so by going over to their house and, face-to-face, telling them that they could not, by their presence, validate what they knew to be morally wrong, while at the same time they again thanked them for being good and considerate landlords. The two said they understood, and would not want them to do what for them would be hypocrisy.

The neighborly relationship has continued, civil, cordial, but the point has been made.

In the case of Osteen, he is indeed being morally and theologically incoherent - nothing new for him. If one cannot tell the truth to family or friends, one will never be able to tell the truth. And so those who need, badly, to hear the truth from people they care for and, presumably know and at least somewhat trust, will not hear it.

But the truth does not have to spoken with anger, self-righteousness, or contempt. It should be spoken humbly, lovingly, and in the fear of God. For finally, all are sinners before God, who so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son. There is forgiveness also for this sin. In other words, God is deadly serious about sin and its reward, but He is just as serious about the forgiveness that He sent into the world in the person of His Son, the One who was “delivered up for our offenses, and was raised again for our justification.”

My daughter and son-in-law continue to pray for them, treat them as neighbors (errant though they may be) and simply lead their own lives as Christians. To which I can only say, “Amen.”


37 posted on 10/18/2011 1:05:48 PM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Cronos

No.


38 posted on 10/18/2011 1:12:07 PM PDT by kidd
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To: Azeem; yarddog

All I can say is, you go to your church and I’ll go to mine. I am speaking of a person who has been closer to me than even my own brother. Your church may call this an abomination, I can’t call it that.

Doesn’t mean I’ll vote FOR mixed marriages, but that’s because I don’t want them indulging in the perks that normal marriages offer.

Flame away all you want. I will never stop thanking God for allowing me to have such a wonderful friend in this lifetime.

And, FYI, I’m out of time to post today....so don’t waste your time and bandwidth trying to get a rise out of me. Be back tomorrow.

Sorry we can’t agree, but more sorry that you may have never had a friend as good as my friend. It was a gift.


39 posted on 10/18/2011 1:21:02 PM PDT by EggsAckley ( There's an Ethiopian in the fuel supply ! !)
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To: Cronos

I don’t do weddings.


40 posted on 10/18/2011 1:21:28 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: Belteshazzar

Has anyone else noticed how the homosexual community has co-opted the term “bullying” to always mean being unkind to homosexuals.

There were always bullies in school as long as I can remember. We were always told to stand up to bullies tho that was sometimes easier said than done, but it was never about homosexuality.

Today you hear that term in the media and you just know they are pushing that agenda.


41 posted on 10/18/2011 1:26:29 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Cronos

No - have already warned my extended family not to expect me to compromise my values for family harmony.


42 posted on 10/18/2011 1:32:35 PM PDT by texteacher
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

All the more reason not to. Stand firm, wrong is wrong.


43 posted on 10/18/2011 1:44:45 PM PDT by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: stuartcr

SO it is ok for a family member to be wrong, just not all those other homosexuals?


44 posted on 10/18/2011 1:46:41 PM PDT by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: Cronos
I would only attend the wedding of a non relative if the underboss 'volunteered' me without asking me (You will do this.). I was made a member of the wedding party, a groomsman. And I couldn't refuse without physical or financial harm. Even if I had to wear a stupid white tux and white patent leather boots.

Thank *** for the booze at the reception.

45 posted on 10/18/2011 1:54:38 PM PDT by Daaave ("I saw her today at the reception")
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To: RoadGumby

It is a different world when someone in your family whom you love very much comes up to you one day and says they are gay.

im not going to tell them they are worthless and cut off all ties. im a sinner myself


46 posted on 10/18/2011 1:57:46 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: EggsAckley

*All I can say is, you go to your church and I’ll go to mine.*

Really? You follow a church? or God and His word? There are plenty of ‘churches’ that will tell you it is OK to do almost anything you want, even those explicitly called sin by God.

If I were to attend a church the sanctioned (as you seem to imply) such a sinful practice, I would run and not pass Go to a church that preached the Bible, the whole Bible, not just the parts that made me feel good about myself.

A wonderful friend is a blessing, his open, willful sinful nature is not.

Would you be so supportive of a zoophile? Necrophile? Pedophile? All sinful, all would tell you”It is who I am.”

You need not apologize for a lack of friends for me, but I am sorry that you seem blinded to right and wrong on this one.


47 posted on 10/18/2011 1:59:16 PM PDT by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

WHo said cut ties? It is not an identity, it is a Behavior. Same as stealing, same as adultery. A BEHAVIOR. One that is wrong, destructive, unhealthy. Love them up by telling them they are wrong and that you will not condone, support or celebrate that behavior.


48 posted on 10/18/2011 2:02:35 PM PDT by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

that does not mean you have no duty to avoid condoning. It works both ways, decisions have consequences and THEIR decision has consequences and they must accept it. You don’t go and they have a duty to respect that.


49 posted on 10/18/2011 2:11:23 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Cronos

Most certainly! With a Lesbian and a Lesbian Trapped in a Man’s Body!....


50 posted on 10/18/2011 2:13:00 PM PDT by Gaffer
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