Skip to comments.Argument For Homosexuality In The Church
Posted on 10/22/2011 7:56:36 AM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
Adriane Thatcher has written a book (Savage Text) where in he offers an argument for the acceptance of homosexuality in the Christian church. His argument runs along the lines that we should look at the passages that condemn homosexuality as savage text (text that renders scripture holy) in the same way we should look to passages in the Old Testament that show Gods predilection for child killing, his wrath and vengeful wars against local tribes as savage text. These texts should not be used by the church because they contradict the loving character and message of Jesus. It should be reminded that the Bible is not the Word of God, but a witness to The Word of God. To elevate these passages as the Word of God or use the Bible as a guide book approach is bibliolatry: to make the Bible into a false idol. Jesus (as the fulfillment of the Old Testament) ultimately provides the standard by which we should judge homosexuals and minorities. Jesus would not condemn homosexuality because he is the God of Love and preaches love, compassion and inclusivity.
I am taking a course that will be using Adrian Thatchers book and looking for ideas that will counter this argument. Thanks.
Here is a review of his book:
Link to the review of his book:
LOL. Jesus didn't come to Earth to be your buddy.
There is NO argument for homo’s in the church. They don’t belong there, unless it is to confess their sins and try to find that unlit crooked path we are to follow.
Using this logic you can justify anything. Simply condemn anything in the bible that does not validate your personal opinion as “savage text”.
Sorry, a correction to what I’m written:
(text that renders scripture holy)= (text that renders scripture unholy)
And what “loving character” did Jesus apply to the overturning of sales tables in the Holy Temple?
Jesus spoke of hell and its reality more than everyone else in the Bible combined. How does this square with the author’s concept of the “loving character” Jesus?
Churches or societies should not encourage bad behavior by giving it validity.
They are accepted, if they are willing to change. Come as you are but don’t stay that way.
Even my liberal wife believes it is plain wrong for homosexuals to be ordained clergy.
Here’s some more savage text. We might as well air it all out. I guess we should rip out the pages which contain such things:
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Matt 16:24 (KJV)
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
John 6:53 (KJV)
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. 34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. 37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Matt 10:33-38 (KJV)
We can come up with more if necessary. The point is, the author can remake God into whatever he wants, and that can be HIS God, but it will not be the TRUE God, the God who is there. The God who will eventually sit as his judge. Then he can tell Him why he deleted or ignored “savage text.”
The issue is, “Who gets to judge which words to accept and which ones to reject?” Is it that each person gets to make that decision? Or is it that each person can pretend he has the right to make such decisions, and can pay for his error later, when he faces the true Judge?
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Phil 2:10-11 (KJV)
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Phil 2:12-13 (KJV)
Last time I checked, it’s God’s Universe and and He gets to make the rules. Some human egos want to run the show and would like for God to get out of the way of the enlightened few.
Well...then I guess it’s ok to have “spouse swappin’ night” to run concurrently with “pot luck” dinners...
There is only ONE YHvH. NAU Mark 12:29 Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! YHvH OUR GOD IS ONE YHvH; There are not two or three gods nor
The above words are those of haSatan ! shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
NAU Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel! YHvH is our God, YHvH is one! There is only ONE YHvH
a pantheon of gods including
a queen of heaven.
There is only ONE YHvH.
NAU Mark 12:29 Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! YHvH OUR GOD IS ONE YHvH;
There are not two or three gods nor
In our liberal parish, we have the mandatory gay week.
Basically every homo shows up to harass and hiss at the sermon, make noise and do condescending anecdotes during the sermon. WHEN it’s NOT gay week, those very same homos are not around, so just like gay parades, if it’s NOT about them...they do not care.
These people are nuts. “Jesus would not condemn homosexuality because he is the God of Love and preaches love, compassion and inclusivity.”
“And what loving character did Jesus apply to the overturning of sales tables in the Holy Temple?” Exactly!
Remember when Jesus made the “money changers” feel loved and included? “And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables;” John 2:15 Pretty compassionate there.
Adriane Thatcher is a FREAKING IDIOT! Sorry if I didn’t make you feel included Adriane.
Why are you still with them?
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