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To: papertyger

papertyger stated:
“That certain Protestants get hot under that collar when the facts are pointed out does nothing to impeach those facts. I’d be more impressed with their protestations if they would fairly answer the questions we have been posing to them for years instead of turning into vicious snapping dogs when they find themselves theologically challenged by biblically knowledgable Catholics.”

“Hot under the collar”? Oh, I don’t think so. Tired of the calumny? Pretty much. I don’t know if that makes me one of your “vicious snapping dogs.” I’ll let you be the arbiter of such pronouncements.

Finally, I can’t speak for the Protestants - I doubt anyone could. I can only speak for Lutherans - who don’t consider themselves Protestants (a pejorative term affixed to all who disagree with them by the church of Rome - but then you probably know that). Lutherans put out the Augsburg Confession in 1530 in order to get the church to examine itself in the light of God’s Word. The response was, as I’m sure you know, the Confutation. The Confutation was answered by the Lutherans with the Apology (Defense) of the Augsburg Confession in 1531. As the Lutherans did these things it was their heads on the block, as Rome had already made crystal clear. (Funny how the church, to whom our Lord and His apostles forbade use of the sword, was made to feel perfectly justified to use it when it suited the powers that be in Rome ... but that’s another chapter).

To make a long story short, the Lutheran asked repeatedly for a church council amid a fair amount of foot-dragging on the part of Rome. Finally, one was convened in Trent in 1545, which again I’m sure you know. There, among other things, justification by grace through faith for the sake of Jesus Christ was anathematized. That is to say, it was declared by the assembled prelates (though not unanimously) that anyone who so teaches, confesses or believes is going to hell.

The entire content of Trent was answered, for the Lutherans, by Martin Chemnitz. The book, originally written in Latin, of course, is available in English as “Examination of the Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent.” It is in four volumes, available from Concordia Publishing House. So, sir, the Lutherans have fairly answered biblically knowledgeable Catholics more than once (and many more examples could be given, but these are the chief ones).

I don’t imagine you will trouble yourself with reading such things - although perhaps you will surprise and amaze me - but there they are nonetheless.

A pleasant day to you, sir.


43 posted on 10/28/2011 10:26:32 AM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Belteshazzar
So, sir, the Lutherans have fairly answered biblically knowledgeable Catholics more than once (and many more examples could be given, but these are the chief ones).

Gee, do you feel vindicated now that you've substituted both the audience and the context of my statement for a more you-friendly recitation of history?

Tell you what, lets start over and just discuss faith and practice as it exists today....whaddaya say?

44 posted on 10/28/2011 10:40:02 AM PDT by papertyger (What has islam ever accomplished that treacherous, opportunistic, brutality couldn't do on its own?)
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