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Precious Promises of the Book of Mormon
Ensign ^ | October 2011 | Thomas S. Monson

Posted on 10/27/2011 7:27:20 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy

Many years ago I stood at the bedside of a young father as he hovered between life and death. His distraught wife and their two children stood nearby. He took my hand in his and, with a pleading look, said, “Bishop, I know I am about to die. Tell me what happens to my spirit when I do.”

I offered a silent prayer for heavenly guidance and noticed on his bedside table a copy of the triple combination. I reached for the book and fanned the pages. Suddenly I discovered that I had, with no effort on my part, stopped at the 40th chapter of Alma in the Book of Mormon. I read these words to him:

“Behold, it has been made known unto me by an angel, that the spirits of all men, as soon as they are departed from this mortal body, … are taken home to that God who gave them life.

“And … the spirits of those who are righteous are received into a state of happiness, which is called paradise, a state of rest, a state of peace, where they shall rest from all their troubles and from all care, and sorrow” (Alma 40:11–12).

As I continued to read about the Resurrection, a glow came to the young man’s face and a smile graced his lips. As I concluded my visit, I said good-bye to this sweet family.

I next saw the wife and children at the funeral. I think back to that night when a young man pleaded for truth and, from the Book of Mormon, heard the answer to his question.

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When my Dad died a while back, the LDS Church allowed us to use their facilities for the funeral even though my Dad was not a member. A non denominational message was delivered and members of that Ward blessed our family in so many ways. For those who don't know, LDS members who serve in various capacities are all volunteers, as in no paid clergy.

There are so many good things about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints - and it is sad when we are misunderstood and lied about.

This talk by President Monson blessed me and I wanted to share it with you. Thank you.

1 posted on 10/27/2011 7:27:24 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
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To: Saundra Duffy

Have a great day, all.


2 posted on 10/27/2011 7:28:49 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
. . .a copy of the triple combination. . .

What's a triple combination?

3 posted on 10/27/2011 7:33:40 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Saundra Duffy
it is sad when we are misunderstood and lied about

The tenacity, and viciousness against Mormons is quite disapponting.
The exclusive expertise claimed by non-members is quite laughable.

4 posted on 10/27/2011 7:37:16 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: Saundra Duffy

“and it is sad when we are misunderstood and lied about. “

Lying is always wrong.

What kind of lies have been told?


5 posted on 10/27/2011 7:38:46 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: laotzu

When you accuse, “The tenacity, and viciousness against Mormons” are you referring to the people or the ISM?


6 posted on 10/27/2011 7:44:45 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Even Good people can be devoutly wrong.

It is not the people of the lds I disagree with it is the doctrine and claims made against what I do believe that I disagree with.


7 posted on 10/27/2011 7:45:20 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: MEGoody

Not sure, but it ain’t the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the Apocrypha.


8 posted on 10/27/2011 7:47:11 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Saundra Duffy
"...and it is sad when we are misunderstood and lied about.

I would sincerely like to know what lies exactly are being told about the LDS church. Their theology? Here on FR? What ....

9 posted on 10/27/2011 7:50:02 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Pilot: n. The Highest Form Of Life On Earth)
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To: Saundra Duffy

“and it is sad when we are misunderstood and lied about.”

Can you expand on that? Most of what I know about the mormon religion I learned on FR and watching South Park. Not too sure those are objective sources.

Oh yeah, one other source was my first Christian Pastor, who was raised mormon and then found and accepted Christ at the age of 27. He seemed to know a thing or two about your religion but again, him being a former member, I can see where his opinion might have been clouded.

I’d be happy to see you post a vanity maybe, pointing out what these misunderstandings and lies are. Or, if you would prefer, I am open to FReepmailing with you about the subject.

Be advised, due to the information that I already have, I do have a biased view of your religion but will try not to be mean, abusive or derisive of you personally.

I am not interested in becoming mormon, I love my Chistian faith too much for that, but like I told a Buddhist friend of mine, I want to know WHY people believe WHAT they believe, no matter what that is.


10 posted on 10/27/2011 7:51:42 AM PDT by Grunthor (Cain, Gingrich, Santorum, Perry, Bachmann. In that order.)
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To: Saundra Duffy

It is sad when the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints slander the Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Anglicans, et al, by saying their beliefs are corrupted and false.


11 posted on 10/27/2011 7:59:08 AM PDT by Hootowl
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To: laotzu

Tenacious is no insult, as far as vicious I will say this It is best to point out the facts and let them speak more than to slander or insult “res ipsa loquitur”

I have taken one of the lds leaders at his word, that many on the lds find this to be unpleasent is sad. You call people investagtors when lds try to presuade them to join the lds but seem to only want a very shallow and guided investagion.

“Convince us of our errors of Doctrine, if we have any, by reason, by logical arguments, or by the Word of God and we will ever be grateful for the information and you will ever have the pleasing reflections that you have been instruments in the hands of God of redeeming your fellow beings.” LDS Apostle, Orson Pratt - The Seer, p. 15

Logical Errors abound NONE of the historical claims of the lds have any serious provenience and many are easily refuted.

Word of God . The new testament is replete with warnings of new and differing gospels (that means good news) and with the exception of the KJV all of the lds standard works are quite novel and new.

I am sorry that some are mean spirited but that does not mean I or others should ignore the words of Jude “ Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.”

If I fail to also follow Jude’s admonition to do so with compassion I apologize and hope to do better.

“keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And of some have compassion, making a difference:And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.”


12 posted on 10/27/2011 8:07:21 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: laotzu

And yet, your peurile giraffe posts in response to the many factual posts are supposed to, somehow, indicate that you are knowledgeable?

It is but to laugh.

Credibility? What credibility do YOU bring to the fray oh daoist one?

Yet, you are perfectly content to smear and ridicule Christians contending for their faith in response to the deliberate and intentional mormon lies about Christianity.

Hypocrisy, pure and simple.

I have over 21 years of dealings with the mormon religion and members. That is my so called “exclusive expertise”.

What have you?

Some type of fetish that involves posting giraffe pictures, nothing else.


13 posted on 10/27/2011 8:13:38 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: MEGoody
What's a triple combination?

I think it's the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price bound together in one book.

14 posted on 10/27/2011 8:13:49 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Hebrews 9:27

“And as it is appointed unto man once to die, and after this the judgment.”

Everyone doesn’t go go happy land. Only those that are truly born again.

15 posted on 10/27/2011 8:16:27 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: MEGoody

The triple combination contains the Bible (KJV), the Book of Mormon and Doctrine & Covenants. Thanks for asking.


16 posted on 10/27/2011 8:17:42 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
"Precious Promises of the Book of Mormon"?

Too bad the Salt Lake version of the LDS church long ago abandoned the doctrines of the BOM and chased after the fantasies that Joseph Smith dreamed up after he wrote the BOM instead. That's the problem when you have an "evolving prophet".
17 posted on 10/27/2011 8:20:29 AM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; Tennessee Nana; ...

Ping


18 posted on 10/27/2011 8:26:49 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (If other churches were dead dunking mormons to save them mormons would be furious.)
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To: greyfoxx39
It seems rzman21 wants the Catholics and Protestants to go after each other in order to make Mormonism expectable. Something the devil would to.
19 posted on 10/27/2011 8:30:00 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: greyfoxx39

Oops, wrong thread....


20 posted on 10/27/2011 8:31:22 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: MEGoody

A triple stack large fry and super size coke...


21 posted on 10/27/2011 8:31:37 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: MEGoody

A triple stack large fry and super size coke...


22 posted on 10/27/2011 8:32:58 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Bible (KJV)

Is that the real KJV or the one Joseph Smith doctored up?

23 posted on 10/27/2011 8:33:52 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: SZonian
One of our beloved Stunt Mormons is trying to actually leave the giraffes behind and make a point...

Should stick to the zoo...

24 posted on 10/27/2011 8:42:27 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: dragonblustar

If LDS inc uses it then you can be assured it is not the Joe Smith translation since LDS inc doesn’t have the copyrights and therefore does not consider it the most high version.


25 posted on 10/27/2011 8:43:47 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Mormonism is a wolf in sheep's clothing... SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES (John 5:39)

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves ... For such are FALSE apostles, DECEITFUL workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.” (Matthew 7:15; 2nd Corinthians 11:13).

 
- Warning -
 
This thread has been flagged as Cultic Mormon Spam
by Christians on FreeRepublic.com
 
Let the reader beware!

26 posted on 10/27/2011 8:44:51 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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To: SZonian
you are perfectly content to smear and ridicule Christians

I have never done that.

Rest easy. I'm perfectly comfortable with personal attacks, even on a religion thread.

27 posted on 10/27/2011 8:46:18 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: laotzu; Religion Moderator
"The tenacity, and viciousness against Mormons is quite disapponting. The exclusive expertise claimed by non-members is quite laughable."

First, your use of terminology that is inflammatory at a minimum, bordering on slander, demonstrates an innate and inherent smear. If that is lost on you, I can't help.

Then you go on to question the credibility of those posting against mormonism with your second statement.

I'm not even bringing up your previous posts on other threads to quantify what I'm saying. This one alone stands as a clear example of the contempt being aired.

Personal attack? My post is in response to yours. If my post is a personal attack, I will accept the RM's judgement and verdict.

But it's like this, if you're going to use adjectives to describe folks, you better get used to them being used to describe you as well.

28 posted on 10/27/2011 9:05:18 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: Saundra Duffy; All
Mormonism lies as much by what it withholds from the outside world as from the overt lies they spread about Christian Churches and about God.

Here is an example from their creed. Red sentences are what mormons actually believe that is not stated in order to appear Christian. Mormonism is not a Christian faith.

The Articles of Faith
of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints


  1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. [We also believe God, the Eternal Father used to be a created spirit being who became a sinful man and later became God the Father. We also believe Jesus Christ was a created spirit being, who later became a man and later became a mormon god. We also believe the Holy Ghost was a created spirit being, who never got a body because he sinned. We also believe these are three separate gods and not ONE God, as the Bible talks about. Also, since they were all created spirit beings, some of which got bodies on earth before becoming mormon gods, they used to not be eternal, but now they are eternal. We also believe there is a Heavenly Mother God, well, at least one, maybe more than one, since we still believe in celestial polygamy. We also believe there are millions or even trillions of other mormon gods and than each mormon male can potentially become a god too, complete with his own goddess wives, a planet, worshippers, etc. This depends on doing enough mormonic works. Every mormon woman can potentially become a mormonic goddess and become eternally pregnant. All told, we believe in a lot of gods.]

Joseph Smith

29 posted on 10/27/2011 9:11:51 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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To: dragonblustar
Is that the real KJV or the one Joseph Smith doctored up?

Real KJV with Smith's changes as footnotes.

30 posted on 10/27/2011 9:15:04 AM PDT by Vroomfondel
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To: SZonian; laotzu; All
All posters on this thread: do not make the thread "about" individual Freepers. That is also a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

In the past, several atheists have come onto the "open" LDS related RF threads with no theological, ideological or philosophical point to make. All they brought to the table were ad hominems. They were trouble-makers and were instructed to leave the threads.

laotzu, if you are neither Mormon nor Trinitarian then the same cautions apply to you. Do not engage in ad hominems - either discuss the issues or leave the thread.

31 posted on 10/27/2011 9:23:17 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: dragonblustar

No, the lds uses the KJV some will have notes to j.smiths “edits”


32 posted on 10/27/2011 9:37:30 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: Saundra Duffy
"Precious Promises of the Book of Mormon"... What Precious Promises of the Book of Mormon?

Still at it, still trying to deceive I see...

The Book of Mormon offers no hope to anyone who dies as Mormons. It only offers the promise of eternal separation from God in the Lake of Fire to anyone and everyone foolish enough to believe it and to trust in what it supposedly says about god and how one BECOMES ONE.

The Book of Mormon contains no "precious promises" from the ONE TRUE God. It is nothing but a deceptive pack of lies, foisted by Satan, the Father of lies, through his false polygamist, bigamist so-called" prophet" Joseph Smith for the sole purpose of leading them straight to Hell.

Time and time again, exceptionally qualified theologians and former Mormon cult members here on FR, have proven Mormonism's founders, doctrine and teachings to be both false and unbiblical, by citing original Mormon doctrine and sources.

Mormonism and the book of Mormon offers false gods, a false so-called "christ", a false "salvation" and a false view of eternity. There are no " Precious Promises ", only eternal death.

Concerned FR members who continually point out these truths do so because they love Mormons and do not want them to die in their sin and spend all of eternity separated from the Lord Jesus Christ in the Lake of Fire. They also warn others about this Mormon "wolf-in sheep's clothing" because they do not want others to be deceived into becoming Mormons as a result of the lies like:"Precious Promises of the Book of Mormon" which are perpetually posted on FR by Mormons who unwittingly or not, seek to mislead them into following their lies by claiming that Mormons are "Christians" and that Mormonism is a valid part of "Christianity".

33 posted on 10/27/2011 9:41:47 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil and from those perpetuating it, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: MEGoody

. .a copy of the triple combination. . .

What’s a triple combination?
____________________________________

A “quad” without the Bible no doubt


34 posted on 10/27/2011 9:54:47 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Jmouse007

There is a huge anti Mormonism industry - books, tapes, DVD’s, speaking engagements, seminars, workshops, and on and on it goes. If you are wondering why all the fuss against The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, just follow the money trail. Plain and simple.

Condemning people to hell is not the job of mere puny humans. We are not qualified. I put my faith and trust in my Savior Jesus Christ, my Advocate with the Father. Amen.


35 posted on 10/27/2011 10:01:22 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Jmouse007; Godzilla; Colofornian; laotzu; Saundra Duffy; restornu; SZonian; SENTINEL; Elsie
The following is one of the blasphemous stealth teachings hallmarking mormonISM:

"We may talk of men being redeemed by the efficacy of his [Christ's] blood; but the truth is that that blood has no efficacy to wash away our sins. That must depend upon our own action." [ LDS Apostle Amasa M. Lyman, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 299, 1859]

And here are seven references from The Bible which show this mormonic teaching to be the anti-Christian/spirit of anti-christ:

Corinthians 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Given this mormonic teaching that is the very essence of Antichrist, it is still amazing how much LDS inc apologists want folks to believe LDS inc is Christianity restored! MormonISM is the very essence of slick anti-Christ inveigling, and the promoters of this anti-Christian religion will continue to be exposed and opposed so long as Christians are not squelched by the political correctness approach inherent in the lie that exposing mormonISM is hate or hatred of the people trapped in this demonic cult.

36 posted on 10/27/2011 10:02:21 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: dragonblustar; Salvation

Your KJV of the Bible is the same as ours except ours has some footnotes at the bottom.

May I remind folks that there are hundreds of versions of the Bible; the LDS Church has always used the King James Version.

Actually, before I joined the Church, I had no idea that Mormons even believed in the Bible. I had believed all the lies told me by pastors and teachers from the other churches. I had no idea that LDS has the Priesthood. I remember saying things like, “Joseph Smith thought he was Jesus Christ” and blah blah blah. Ignorance!

It might be a good idea to find out for yourself about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints rather than believe what anti Mormons post on a blog.

www.lds.org
www.mormon.org


37 posted on 10/27/2011 10:07:22 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

the 40th chapter of Alma in the Book of Mormon.

“Behold, it has been made known unto me by an angel, that the spirits of all men, as soon as they are departed from this mortal body, … are taken home to that god who gave them life.
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So why do the Mormons bother to dead dunk those same “all men” ???

From the Christian Bible you once spurned...

It is appoined unto all men to die once, but after this comes the judgement ..Hebrews 9:27...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Nothing in the Christian Bible about ALL men going to Heaven...


38 posted on 10/27/2011 10:08:50 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (If we give Sandy a ladder will she preach from the temple roof)
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To: Saundra Duffy

before I joined the Church, I had no idea that Mormons even believed in the Bible.
______________________________________

They dont...

If they did they woulodnt be Mormons...

They would be Christians...

The LORD Jesus Christ said to Saundra Duffy and the other Mormons, “I AM the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man or woman comes to the Father except by Me.” John 14:6


39 posted on 10/27/2011 10:12:55 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (If we give Sandy a ladder will she preach from the temple roof)
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To: Saundra Duffy
I remember saying things like, “Joseph Smith thought he was Jesus Christ” and blah blah blah. Ignorance!

I think you mean this....

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40 posted on 10/27/2011 10:13:23 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

It might be a good idea to find out for yourself about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints rather than believe what anti Mormons post on a blog.
_______________________________________

and its an even better idea and in fact life or death to the soul to find out for yourself about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints rather than believe what Mormons post on a blog and/or Mormon missionaries say at your door...


41 posted on 10/27/2011 10:16:34 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (If we give Sandy a ladder will she preach from the temple roof)
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To: Saundra Duffy

I remember saying things like, “Joseph Smith thought he was Jesus Christ”
_________________________________________

No Sandy you should have said... “Joseph Smith thought he was greater than Jesus Christ”


42 posted on 10/27/2011 10:18:36 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (If we give Sandy a ladder will she preach from the temple roof)
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To: Saundra Duffy; dragonblustar

I remember saying things like, “Joseph Smith thought he was Jesus Christ”
_________________________________________

Oh there it is...

Check Post #40

Thanks db


43 posted on 10/27/2011 10:20:45 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (If we give Sandy a ladder will she preach from the temple roof)
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To: Saundra Duffy
“And … the spirits of those who are righteous are received into a state of happiness, which is called paradise, a state of rest, a state of peace, where they shall rest from all their troubles and from all care, and sorrow” (Alma 40:11–12).

Pretty good rewrite of a well known BIBLE verse:

Revelation 21:4
King James Bible

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.


44 posted on 10/27/2011 10:20:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Actually, before I joined the Church, I had no idea that Mormons even believed in the Bible. I

Really? How did this escape them?

No Other Gospel

6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

How can you escape God's curse?

45 posted on 10/27/2011 10:21:21 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Your KJV of the Bible is the same as ours except ours has some footnotes at the bottom.
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Footnotes making a lie of the validity and truth of the Bible...

Sandy do you own a Bible that you brought in a Christian bookstore ???

or even at Walmart ???


46 posted on 10/27/2011 10:23:30 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (If we give Sandy a ladder will she preach from the temple roof)
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To: Saundra Duffy
There are so many good things about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints - and it is sad when we are misunderstood and lied about.

Yes; it IS sad; when that happens!


 

Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses  5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses  8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses  8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses  10:230).
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses , vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).


So why do you, Saundra, CHOOSE to stay in a Organization that does that?

47 posted on 10/27/2011 10:24:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Condemning people to hell is not the job of mere puny humans. We are not qualified. I put my faith and trust in my Savior Jesus Christ, my Advocate with the Father. Amen.

No, it is clearly defined by the bible for those who reject the true Jesus SD.

Truth in advertizing time - your salvation is not only on Jesus according to mormon doctrines and teachings SD. For starters SD from your articles of faith -

3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

Did you forget that little twist? How is all mankind to be saved? . . by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel. Wow, even mormon jesus is put on the outside isn't he.

And what do we get from the mormon 'atonement' SD? Everybody will be given a resurrected body - wow hardly earthshaking SD. At best it is a 'refinancing' of your sin.

“The demands of justice for broken law can be satisfied through mercy, earned by your continual repentance and obedience to the laws of God. Such repentance and obedience are absolutely essential for the Atonement to work its complete miracle in your life” (Mormon Apostle Richard G. Scott, “The Atonement Can Secure Your Peace and Happiness,” Ensign (Conference Edition), November 2006, p.42).

“It is the celestial glory which we seek. It is in the presence of God we desire to dwell. It is a forever family in which we want membership. Such blessings must be earned” (Thomas Monson, “An Invitation to Exaltation,” Ensign (Conference Edition), May 1988, p.56).

Lurkers, the above make it clear that according to lds theology, your salvation is 'earned', and that the sacrifice of Jesus really doesn't do that much for you - except refinance your sins which you must still "pay off" through works. Another lds writed put it this way -

“The benefits of the atonement for personal salvation arise out of our obedience to the laws and commandments of the gospel. The forgiveness of sins comes to us by this obedience to the ordinances of the gospel and by enduring to the end, walking in obedience to the commandments. (Roy W. Doxey, The Doctrine and Covenants Speaks 1:104).

The forgiveness of sins do not come from Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, but by performing works of the new mormon 'law' and ordiances.

Keep these things in mind when mormons recite their testimonies - their words do not mean the same thing as our words would.

48 posted on 10/27/2011 10:24:44 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Have a great day, all. and a WONDERFUL Eternity!!


Saundra; you simply CANNOT start a MORMON thread without including the BASICS...


Here is MORMONism's own creed:
 
 

Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 
THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541
 
 

  1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
  2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
  3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
  4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
  5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
  6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
  7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
  8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
  9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
  10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
  11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
  12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
  13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith


 

49 posted on 10/27/2011 10:26:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Tennessee Nana
I don't get how Mormons can ignore that fact about Smith?

I'd also like to know how many Mormons have pictures of Joseph Smith in their homes?

The bible is full of prophets but I can't recall any Christian hanging up pictures of them?

50 posted on 10/27/2011 10:29:13 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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