Skip to comments.Baal, Jupiter, and other God(s) of Romney's LDS sect of Mormonism.
Posted on 10/29/2011 10:14:55 AM PDT by SENTINEL
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I'm not a Mormon, but...
But he plays one on T.V.?
The Bible says that Jesus has always been God (John 1:1-14), and there is only one God in existence (Is. 44:6). However, the Mormon Church teaches that God the Father is a resurrected human man who is a married being who has "spirit children" in Heaven. Mormonism teaches that every human being born on this earth was first born in Heaven to God and one of his wives. Accordingly, Jesus was also born in the pre-existence to God the Father and one of his wives in heaven, just like all other human and demonic beings.
The plurality of Elohim is in reference to the God head of God the Father The Holy Spirit and Jesus. It is not in reference to multiple gods making mankind.
Is Dallin Oaks explaining to Obama how to become “white and delightsome”?
I was speaking to the religious threads that slam a particular religion quite religiously. I never said FR is vile, ever [Flaglady again]
I think JR, and the rest of us as well, flaglady, can read plainly -- and know what a "forum" is in the context of FR postings. We don't need your "afterspin" to duck poster accountability.
Besides, to accuse religious posters of engaging in "spewing" and "hatred" is itself "spewing" and "slamming" and bashing.
I always "love" it when the supposedly "tolerant" "I'm too good for spewing and slamming and bashing" religious posters come online and refute themselves by engaging in spewing and slamming and bashing religious posters -- like you've just done.
If you preach tolerance, then you should be tolerating what we say. If you don't believe in being tolerant, then continue to bash away. You confuse us by preaching a certain standard -- and then showing by your words that you don't practice it.
We have religious convictions, too. Why aren't tolerant of what we say? Why are you intolerant/bigoted toward them? By your own standards, you should welcome what we say with open arms.
Or do you find that you draw the line somewhere -- just like we draw the line somewhere...and just like mainstream Mormons draw the line somewhere? Hmmm...
The Mormon "prophet" Hinckley -- went on the Larry King show in 1998 to claim: "Fundamentalist Mormons are not Mormons."
Tell us Flaglady...doesn't that "rile" you up? Wasn't Hinckley "guilty" of "spewing" and "slamming" "hatred" vs. fundamentalist Mormons by trying to wipe them off the face of the earth?
If you're so gung-ho "tolerant" for religious minorities, where are you in defending the fundy polygamists?
You & the rest of the mainstream Mormon allies always seem to be AWOL when it comes to defending the fundamentalist Mormons. Why? Therefore, since I don't see you rallying behind them, then I'm not sure how anybody could get riled up -- without also getting riled up @ Hinckley re: his statement, "Mormons are not Christians."
The LDS don't like fLDS being "lumped" in with them.
Likewise, Christians don't like Mormons counterfeiting themselves with a "Christian" identity.
We actually -- like the Jews -- eschew polytheism...which is embraced by Mormons.
We seek to establish clearer "boundaries" of what it means to be a Christian.
Elsewise, if polytheist Mormons are Christians, well, then, why not polytheist, polygamist fundamentalist Mormons as well? All of you who are "pro-Mormons"...are you consistent? Are you willing to call fundamentalist polygamist Mormons "Christian," too? If not, why not?
And why even stop there? Why don't we just run all religious bodies together & conclude a fundamentalist Mormon-is-a-Mormon-is-a-Christian-is-a-Jonestownite-is-a-Branch-Davidian-is-a-Heavens-Gate-ian-is-a-Urantia believer-is a Church Universal & Triumphant-is-a-Wicca-Witch-is-Voodoo practioner-is-a-New-Ager-is-a-whirling dervish-is-a-Hindu-is-a-Sikh-is-a-Muslim?!!
Y'all didn't realize that Muslims = "Christians" per Mormonism's PR campaign, now did ya?
Finally, it's so sad to see Mormon allies like you attack the uniqueness of Christianity -- trying to make distinctives so fuzzy.
The violence in today's world does not harken back to a Mormon threat or that of the Church of LDS!
Look around the world and you must see that wherever, 'life and liberty' is threatened; it has Muslim jihadist name attached - or that of a Demrat /Marxist/Communist Leftie - or - just an Obama, Inc. label.
Christian/ Western/ Greek enlightenment; is our MO for our Western ' Civilization;, and Mormon's certainly share that heritage. (Whereas; those who are embedded with totalitarian-minded MO's; Marxist or Muslim; do not/can and never will not.)
(Have never feared a Mormon neighbor or seat-mate on a plane. Nor, for that matter; feared a Mormon, knocking on my door per their spiritual mission.
Have; OTOH; had frightening experiences with radical-minded ROP Reps. Not to mention, America's - and the world's - daily and collective, suffering per Islamic Jihad missions, that touch all areas of our planet.
Bottom line; and IMHO; we have enough real enemies in the world; without casting more, who do not deserve such ascription.
We do not have to fear a 'Mormon threat' in the civilized world; anymore than we fear a Baptist - or a Catholic - or those Jewish, for that matter; for their wanting to change our world by violence so as to usurp our rights to personal Liberty while being forced to adhere to a totalitarian mindset.
Think important to realize most critically, today; just WHO is the enemy of 'life, liberty...and our pursuit of happiness.
It is NOT the Mormons next door!
“and know what a “forum” is in the context of FR postings. We don’t need your “afterspin” to duck poster accountability”
Heres a thought: then stay out of the religion forum.
This is the statement that I responded to that was made to me. What does it say? It says religion “forum”. Hence my reply using the word forum as in religion forum. Put your specs on.
“Mormons believe Baal and Jupiter helped create the universe.”
Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints believe that Jesus Christ, the Great Jehovah of the Old Testament, is the Creator of the universe.
There are people other than Catholics that are biblically orthodox. That was hardly a catholic smear. Try a Christian one.
Newbies pimping Mitt Rino is getting tired.
A nice Mormon lady tried to recruit me to the religion, and I was told I couldnt drink coffee anymore, Coke, or a glass of beer or an occasional glass of wine.
I told her I would get back to her ..
Sorry those are deal breakers for me.
54 posted on Saturday, October 29, 2011 1:27:29 PM by MitchSouthFla.
There is your problem. Posting to yourself. ZOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT.
Of course Christianity is monotheistic....
If the facts of your chosen religion are such an issue perhaps there is a reason.
Not to speak for my good FRiend but I would guess the “principles” they could not live with may have been the “lying for the lord” or the supporting a “church” that maligns Christ or defending a “Book” that has been proven to be a fraud, not “scripture”. I am sure the list could go on...
You JUST got here noob....You must be a frail old 98 yr. old...if you are tired already.
It isn’t suggested. It is a fact.
That remark was SO typically "superior mormon" that isn't really worth responding to.
IMO, that is the primary reason that so many find Mitt disgusting...he carries that "I'm so much better than you" attitude into everything he does, including showing it during the debates.
We see it quite often among certain mormons here, especially the resident "scold" who feels free to even scold the site owner from her lofty perch.
One reason I'm happy I don't have to deal with mormons IRL.
Truth in advertising time again.
According to mormon teachings from the book of abraham
"They went down at the beginning, and they, that is, the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth." (boa, ch 4)
Nothing about Jesus here SD
Perhaps you can explain why there are sooo many accounts from mormonism SD?
There is a God, and he hath created all things, both the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are (2 Nephi 2:14).
We believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who created heaven and earth, and all things (Mosiah 4:2).
And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end (2 Nephi 31:21; see also Alma 11:44; Mormon 7:7; D&C 20:28).
And by the word of my power, have I created them, which is mine Only Begotten Son, who is full of grace and truth. And worlds without number have I created; and I also created them for mine own purpose; and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten (Moses 1:32-33).
So what is it SD - was it a group of gods, a god, a god-in-training?
And why does this mormon Jehovah fail to recognize any other god beside himself - even heavenly father.
Jesus left the tomb before the stone was rolled away. He appeared outisde the tomb to the women coming to apply spices to what they supposed would be a dead body. He appeared to the Disciples in a locked and shuttered room. He appeared along the road and walked with two, then broke bread with them and vanished. He appeared to more than 500 at one time. He ascended into Heaven. Entering Mary's womb as a zygote aged human would be no problem for such an One, or being born from that womb without passing down the birth canal for that matter. The problem is not the story as passed down to us, it is the unwillingness to believe God's Promises and thus believe Jesus died for our Sins and rose again the third day.
Genesis 1:1 says in the literal Hebrew, “In the beginning, the Gods created...” The term is Elohiym, the plural of Eloah or God.
How Phariseeical of you. Even your righteousness is as filthy rags before him. Comments like this could only come from a works righteous heretic. Speak no more of righteousness through the works of men, but rely only on the sanctification of the blood of Christ.
God saved me, and you are mocking Him and His work.
Denying you your cover up of well documented facts is not hatred. It is love for those you are trying to deceive.
Embarrassed by what your founders said and did ? Maybe you should consider abandoning them.
There is not one single word or act of Christ that I am ashamed of, or that I try to cover up.
MY GOD IS GOD.
Your scriptures say otherwise, lawyer. Enough said.
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I was born into it, raised in it, worked and suffered for it until the age of 35 when I was saved from it.
“Embarrassed by what your founders said and did ? Maybe you should consider abandoning them.”
Too bad I’m not a Mormon. Kind of puts the lie to your above statement. My family is Catholic on my father’s side, and Lutheran on the other side. I was baptized first as a Lutheran, and then when I got married, became Catholic. So nice try, no soap. But you believe what you want to believe. No skin off of my back.
I’ll take a look at it. Thanks.
Nimrod is mentioned in the Bible as the great-grandson of Noah and the son of Cush. More here about him.
“In some versions (as in Flavius Josephus), Nimrod is a man who sets his will against that of God. In others, he proclaims himself a god and is worshipped as such by his subjects, sometimes with his consort Semiramis worshipped as a goddess at his side. (See also Ninus.)”
Women usually aren’t mentioned in the Bible unless they’ve played some direct and important role.
Their son, Tammuz, was a Babylonian god and even one of the months of the Jewish calendar came to named after him!
Take the time to research the pagan origins of the American holidays like Easter, Christmas, Thanksgiving, and others and you’ll find they almost always lead back to them.
Thanks for the info.
I guess my problem with this hypotheses is that it is not in the Bible. At least clearly enough for me. I do not doubt the classical and Jewish sources exist, but it seems mythological, as it is not Biblical. Doesn’t mean it’s not so, though.
Nimrod was killed at the command of and by the "priests" of his wife Semiramis. The mythical belief is that he was re-incarnated and came out of the sea as a fish-god named Dagon. Dagon is all over in the bible.
Here is a pic of one of the many carvings of dagon, and you can make your own decision on where that tradition had influence.
Then, of course, you are NOT a lifelong former Mormon.
I was a lifelong mormon until I was saved 4 years ago at the age of 36. If I said anything different I made a mistake, although I couldn't locate one. If you've found incorrect grammar that led you to believe otherwise, let me save you some time and confess. I am guilty. I'm a sinner. My righteous works are filthy rags before God. He saved me simply because he loves me. He forgives me because I forgive others. I become better because I love him.
Besides what you should be asking is not whether the SENTINEL is a man, but whether the man is a SENTINEL. ;)
Your Post #9
You've only been a former Mormon for four years, and it already feels like a lifetime. Go figure. :o)
He saved me because He loves me, as well. He forgives me because He is merciful. I, too, become better because I love Him, Jesus Christ, the Redeemer and Savior. I'm right there with ya. May God continue to bless you and bring you happiness, as He does me.