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Posted on 10/30/2011 6:04:50 PM PDT by Colofornian
...Where did the word "Mormon" come from? Have you assumed that it came from the Book of Mormon?
Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible has a list of "Infernal Names." Guess what one of them is? "Mormo." Mormo is the god of the ghouls, an evil being obsessed with the dead. What would the names of his followers be? "Mormons?"
Is this just a coincidence?
"In Chinese, "Mormon" means "gates of hell." That's why the Mormon missionaries have problems in Hong Kong, for instance. They have to avoid using the word "Mormon" in trying to convert the Chinese."
Is this really just a coincidence? Mormons (LDS) are obsessed with genealogies, Temple rites and rituals for the dead. They believe the dead can visit the living, and that the dead can convert to Mormonism while in their grave!
...Do you know that Joseph Smith was reported to have said:
"Hell is by no means the place this world of fools suppose it to be, but on the contrary, it is quite an agreeable place..." (1)
In April of 1844, Joseph Smith spoke before 20,000 of his followers, and said:
"...and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves...the same as all Gods have done before you...from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings...How consoling to...know that although the earthly tabernacle is laid down and dissolved, they shall rise again, to dwell in everlasting burnings...[as] a God and ascend the throne of eternal power the same as those who have gone before." (2)
One thing is for sure, when the early history of the Mormons played out, the god of the ghouls with the obsession of the dead was able to get his fill.
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From the article: "In Chinese, "Mormon" means "gates of hell." That's why the Mormon missionaries have problems in Hong Kong, for instance. They have to avoid using the word "Mormon" in trying to convert the Chinese." Is this really just a coincidence? Mormons (LDS) are obsessed with genealogies, Temple rites and rituals for the dead. They believe the dead can visit the living, and that the dead can convert to Mormonism while in their grave!
Thought it came from that non-language of Reformed Egyptian where MORMON meant “More Good” or something like that.
Just as soon as those golden plates materialize it will no longer be a non-language...
I don't recommend holding your breath for that event though.
Thank you! so much for sharing messages that are meant to sharpen and confront. There is TOO little of that today.
In all fairness, Crowly lived some time afer Joseph Smith and Mormo could have been a concoction or delusion of Crowly’s sick mind.
Aw, geez. Hasn’t the LDS church got enough silly crap going on you can make fun of without dragging in that loser LaVey? I wonder how much money his family has made off that dork’s writings?
I have yet to meet a Mormon @$$hole. I don’t know how they manage to breed them all nice, but to a man, they sure have been. That doesn’t mean I buy their hooey religion, but I won’t call them Satanist, any more than I would call Buddhists or Hindus Satanists. The only Satanists there are out there are lonely dorks like LaVey who want to piss off their mommies.
“. . .but I wont call them Satanist”
Gee thanks . . . I guess.
This thread has some “hot spots”
Wear your flame retardant jamies and be ready for the boiling oil...
There’s an HP Lovecraft story where he uses “mormo” in an evil ceremony. I looked it up, and mormo seems to be an evil familiar/spirit that bit children associated with hecate (greek goddess).
Never thought to connect it with the word Mormon, though I’ve read the story many times. It’s the “Horror at Red Hook”, about a cult of mutant fishmen rising up in Brooklyn. It’s a great story. I thought it might be in a few of them, I thought maybe the one he ghost-wrote for Harry Houdini, but nothing came up on the search.
This Lewis guy seems to believe that mormons and masons run the illuminati, and are secretely satan worshippers. And throws the Hindus and Muslims in as somehow being allied with them. I reckon he’s pretty out there. I do think the enemy is involved with some of the things going down today.
Do you believe that Mormons are called Mormons because of this Mormo thing? I thought it was after their angel Moroni deal. I always thought that was a funny name, you have to add an “m” to not come off kind of silly, or Italian.
Sick, yes; concocted, no (see excerpts below)
Hasnt the LDS church got enough silly crap going on you can make fun of without dragging in that loser LaVey? [LibertarianinExile, post #8]
See excerpts below
Do you believe that Mormons are called Mormons because of this Mormo thing? I thought it was after their angel Moroni deal. I always thought that was a funny name, you have to add an m to not come off kind of silly, or Italian. [Ransomed, post#11]
A female spectre, with which the Greeks used to frighten little children. (Aristoph. Acharn. 582, Pax, 474.) Mormo was one of the same class of bugbears as Empusa and Lamia.
Source: Greek Mythology Index
From Mormo from The Arcana Wiki
Saint of streets, and brilliant one, that strays by night;
Foe of radiance, but friend and mate of gloom;
In howl of dogs rejoicing, and in crimson gore,
Wading 'mid corpses through tombs of lifeless dust,
Panting for blood; with fear convulsing men.
Gorgo, and Mormo, and Luna, and of many shapes,
Come, propitious, to our sacrificial rites!
- Philosophumena of Hippolytus
Book IV, Chapter XXXV
Mormo is a Spirit that bites bad children. This female figure from Greek and Roman Mythology is possibly a Vampire. She may be a companion or Avatar of Hecate, the Greek goddess of the moon and magic. Very little information about Mormo has survived from classical antiquity, where she appears to have been revered in part of a mystery cult.
As with Lilith, the identity of Mormo may have started as a more general term, which then became more personified over time. Mormo appears in a few plays of Aristophanes, who uses the name as if it were a synonym for "bogey man" or "monster".
Hippolytus of Rome, in his Refutation of all Heresies (also known as the Philosophoumena), detailed a pyromantic form of Divination that invoked Mormo, Bombo, Gorgo, Hecate, and Luna. As described by Hippolytus, the divination was nothing more than a Hoax involving pyrotechnics and a cauldron with a fake bottom, a hoax he proceeded to debunk the way one might ruin the secret of a magic trick. Therefore, Mormo might have magic and powers connected to fire.
Note that phrases from the Philosophoumena are hard to clearly define and explain. When he says "Gorgo, and Mormo, and Luna, and of many shapes," is that calling out to three, four, or just one entity? Is Mormo just another name for Hecate, and/or the Moon? Does Gorgo refer to a Gorgon? Hecate is a three-headed goddess, and there were three Gorgon Sisters in Greek Mythology, and three names are given in that line. In The powers of evil in Western religion, magic and folk belief, Richard Cavendish says that Mormo was a "nursery bogy" that was a source of fear for Erinna of Telos, a poetess of Ancient Greece. In the very next sentence he opines that Gorgo indeed refers to Medusa, and says the face in the moon used to be called the "Gorgon's Head". The face of Medusa was a common protective device in ancient greece, known as the Gorgoneion. In The Satanic Bible, Anton Levay flips the gender of Mormo, rendering him "King of the Ghouls, Consort of Hecate". Wikipedia makes tantalizing references to a Mormo in australian mythology, but (as of this writing) never explains the reference.
Yeah, I reckon ol’ HP nixed “bombo” as being too dorky. Do you buy that Mormo is where Mormon comes from?
Hippolytus of Rome, in his Refutation of all Heresies (also known as the Philosophoumena), detailed a PYROMANTIC form of Divination that invoked Mormo, Bombo, Gorgo, Hecate, and Luna. As described by Hippolytus, the divination was nothing more than a Hoax involving pyrotechnics and a cauldron with a fake bottom, a hoax he proceeded to debunk the way one might ruin the secret of a magic trick. Therefore, Mormo might have magic and powers connected to FIRE.
Some of the worst Mormon teachings popped up @ funeral services. What did Joseph Smith have to say @ a funeral service that has a close linkage to fire?
'Twas on that forum where Smith's King Follet sermon, where this common focus of Joseph Smith toward the end of his life was represented re: looking forward to a spirit world where he and his followers would dwell in "everlasting burnings" (his words, not mine). [ALL: Clink on link above for context for Smith quotes I cite below]
"...you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves...going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one...from exaltation to exaltation, until you...are able to dwell... (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 346-347)
Well, "until you...are able to dwell" where?
WHERE were the "ghost-lights" -- the demon-lights of Smith telling him where he & his followers would dwell???
The answer is right there on p. 347 of Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith:
"until you...are able to dwell in everlasting burnings."
"The spirits...are blessed in their departure to the world of spirits. Enveloped in flaming fire, they are not far from us...
Smith must have felt the guilt gnawing at him from no assurance of forgiveness of sins; but he wouldn't let go of his "everlasting burnings" teaching late in life: "Those who have done wrong always have that wrong gnawing them. Immortality dwells in everlasting burnings." (ToPJS, p. 367)
These spirits -- perhaps the demon "Mormo" -- craving their own "immortality" as false gods wouldn't let go of Smith...
...and actually occasionally told him the truth...
...as they did about "everlasting burnings"... and "enveloped in flaming fire"
...They had the last laugh at Smith's -- and his followers' -- expense.
Well, who is Mormon in the Book of Mormon?
In Mormon 1:1, he says, "I, Mormon, make a record of the things which I have both seen and heard, and call it the Book of Mormon."
He says he is son of Mormon (1:5). And in the last chapter, he claims "we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered by us, according to our manner of speech." (9:32)
Tell us? Does "Mormon" sound like a Reformed Egyptian or Jewish name? What is even "Reformed Egyptian?" Is it a recognized language by anyone studying ancient people groups? Is the Book of Mormon historical? (No on all counts)
As for alternative sources, I haven't reached any conclusions due to lack of the chain of evidence.
Seems to me that those elusive golden plates were conveniently whisked away by the angle (or is that supposed to be angel) moron-y right after the phoney baloney contained on them was interpreted by Joe.
Maybe they'll show up when Harold gets his dates right.
But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that either...
JESUS: Hey Smith! Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?
JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?
JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?
JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!
JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.
JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!
JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.
JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.
JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?
JOSEPH SMITH: This? At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven (Matthew 22:30)
JESUS: That's it.
JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.
JESUS: Nah - it was right.
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.
JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.
JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!
JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?
JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....
JESUS: What did you say?
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.
JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.
JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?
JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!
JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.
JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.
JESUS: No; it wasn't.
JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?
JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?
JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.
JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly FAITHbook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.
JOSEPH SMITH: But....
True; but COULD HAVE carries zero weight, as it is mere speculation, and serves to run the conversation off in a random direction.
You don't get out much; do you.
When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, Never mind, all is wellI am well enough off. I then said to my mother, I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.
Mormo is a Spirit that bites bad children.
Praise to the MAN!
Is anyone else saying the Mormo stuff besides Lewis? I mean, there’s some pretty wild stuff on his website.
Apparently there was a newspaper article that may/may not have been written by J. Smith in 1843 discounting the Mormo connection, so I reckon it has been around for a while.
Right, and why would they be a mixture of several languages? It’d be like writing German, French, Norwegian and Swedish all on one paper and trying to make sense of it.
In 1843 he claimed that "Mormon" was part English, part Egyptian, and that "mon" was the Egyptian word for "good." Therefore, "Mormon" meant "more good" according to Smith. I get this from Times and Seasons, 4:194 and Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 299300.
I offer this explanation for historical purposes only and not for any theological purpose.
Well; we DO tend to speak American ‘English’.
It’s nothing personal. I don’t think most religious beliefs are correct, but that doesn’t mean I think it’s right to toss around words like “Satanist” and “cult” unless the shoe fits. And it only extremely rarely fits in either instance. That whole “must-be-Satanist-if-they-disagree-with-me” vibe is not my own.
Now, I can’t say I’m somehow immune to irrational bias against those of some religions, in particular the more autocratic ones. I wouldn’t be comfortable with electing a Mormon or Bahaist for the same reason I wouldn’t be comfortable with a Catholic, but that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t vote for a member of either church if I found them trustworthy and agreed with their politics. And I grew up Catholic and personally have found nothing to dislike about any Mormon person I’ve ever met. Seriously, every Mormon I’ve met has been a nice person. I can’t say that for any other religion. Dunno how that’s worked out.
“You don’t get out much; do you.”
Maybe not much in Utah. But I got out plenty in Mesa, which has the second highest proportion or numbers (I forget which) of LDS members in any metro area of the U.S. outside of Utah. And my experience with Mormons is not just widespread, it’s global, having met members of that faith in Guam, Korea, Texas, Florida, Arizona, and Pennsylvania. It’s not that they’re necessarily representative of all members of that sect. There are certainly some jackasses in every church. I’m just saying that, even if I think their religious beliefs are a bunch of malarkey, my experience with their believers has been a good one. I’ve had a similar, if less broad, experience with Bahaists, but that doesn’t mean I’ll be converting any time soon.
I'll bet you could say this about EVERY religion you've come across.
“Ive had a similar, if less broad, experience with __________ (insert religon choice here) I’ll bet you could say this about EVERY religion you’ve come across.”
Nope, I’ve met some real jackass Korean Presbyterians. And I have had the opportunity to meet a few Wiccans, and they are a bunch of arrogant dweebs. You would think they wouldn’t be both, but they are.